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If I were a recruiter I would be a lot more interested in someone who is aware of what the position entails and has obviously enjoyed the job as they are still in the field. As opposed to some one who is probably fresh out of high school and "Just wants to be an air hostess"
Pink lemonae I think it is more interesting that a company like Jetstar DOESN'T want experienced crew flying for them. All the better to pull the wool over the inexperienced peoples eyes eh?
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As opposed to some one who is probably fresh out of high school and "Just wants to be an air hostess"
Pink lemonae I think it is more interesting that a company like Jetstar DOESN'T want experienced crew flying for them. All the better to pull the wool over the inexperienced peoples eyes eh?
Pink lemonae I think it is more interesting that a company like Jetstar DOESN'T want experienced crew flying for them. All the better to pull the wool over the inexperienced peoples eyes eh?
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How can you know the conditions and listen to what people have said on these forums and still want to work there?
People like you accepting these conditions are partially to blame for the appalling conditions for most Australian cabin crew.
Sheesh have some dignity and at least PRETEND you don't want to work for them.
People like you accepting these conditions are partially to blame for the appalling conditions for most Australian cabin crew.
Sheesh have some dignity and at least PRETEND you don't want to work for them.
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Because there arent too many options in Australia...are there? And once one airline catches on to these work conditions its only a matter of time before the all do (and believe me, thay are trying)....Qantas only recruit through MAM now....and like I said before, we just want to work like you do (as the actual Job, which we are fully aware of, we enjoy) but the options are sadly limited and have been declining since early 2000...hope that answers your question
Also you will find that once you start to fly for any airline, there will always be some conditions you are not too fond of...like any career. When a airline is recruiting its smart to attend the interviews to see what they are offering. Personally it wasnt for me and I made this decision after the final interview.
Why do you want to work for them?
Because there arent too many options in Australia...are there? And once one airline catches on to these work conditions its only a matter of time before the all do (and believe me, thay are trying)....Qantas only recruit through MAM now....and like I said before, we just want to work like you do (as the actual Job, which we are fully aware of, we enjoy) but the options are sadly limited and have been declining since early 2000...hope that answers your question
Also you will find that once you start to fly for any airline, there will always be some conditions you are not too fond of...like any career. When a airline is recruiting its smart to attend the interviews to see what they are offering. Personally it wasnt for me and I made this decision after the final interview.
Why do you want to work for them?
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Then why are you in this thread...and what do you really care at all? Are you just here to cause waves....do you actually have anything constructive to add? I have atleast been throught the interviews and have many years experience in this profession. And you?
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Why are you being so rude???
Didn't realise that you had to be wannabe Jet* cc to have a say in this forum.
And if you'd bother to re read any of my posts in this thread you would find that it were relevant. So perhaps you should stop attacking for no apparent reason.
Didn't realise that you had to be wannabe Jet* cc to have a say in this forum.
And if you'd bother to re read any of my posts in this thread you would find that it were relevant. So perhaps you should stop attacking for no apparent reason.
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Fingers Crosses: Clearly I am not the one "attacking" people. Yes anyone is more than welcome and free to read and post on these threads. But you have said nothing constructive of late and have only tried to criticize others. Maybe you should re-evaluate who is being rude here.
I am not continuing this with you anymore because it is a waste of time and not helping anyone.
I am not continuing this with you anymore because it is a waste of time and not helping anyone.
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firstly:
I have trouble understanding why current FAs would want to work for JQI. I can kind of understand people with no flying experience still thinking that besides the crap conditions, and warnings from current crew, that it could be good. Of course you might think that, if you have never flown before, you may (and you probably do) think you know what kind of lifestyle and work schedule you will be operating on, and how it will takeover your life. However, until you have actually done it, its hard to judge. I do not know of any job (except perhaps mining in a remote area? but they get pretty decent conditions and pay/rest etc) that demands 100% of your living breathing life - even when you are NOT working.
For those that have never flown, the glamour will ALWAYS be there in some degree. Hell.. there is even a tiny speck of it still there for me - which is why i love my job (although i may not like the management or the conditions).
Secondly:
Pinklemonae and Fingers Crossed, i understand that you may see current FAs 'swanning' into interviews... and yeah its probably annoying - there are always people in every industry that love themselves so much that they think they are the greatest gift to any employer.
However, having said that, this industry has such a high turnover rate with young crew, and there are always people applying who really have no clue about what the 'lifestyle' entails that having flying experience behind you does count for alot... and potential recruiters know it. If you have flown before, you probably have a foot and a bit in the door more than someone who hasnt - ESPECIALLY if you used to work for the same airline in the past as a recruiter (ie Ex Ansett for example) This industry is very much like a big 'family' - crew all around the world, regardless of the airlines they work for are seen as a kind of extended family. We look after them on flights, they look after us. Of course if you are interviewing someone and they used to fly you are going to look on them favourably.. for many reasons, and a big one is that at least they are fully aware of what the job entails and are less likely to 'drop out'. simple as that.
I have trouble understanding why current FAs would want to work for JQI. I can kind of understand people with no flying experience still thinking that besides the crap conditions, and warnings from current crew, that it could be good. Of course you might think that, if you have never flown before, you may (and you probably do) think you know what kind of lifestyle and work schedule you will be operating on, and how it will takeover your life. However, until you have actually done it, its hard to judge. I do not know of any job (except perhaps mining in a remote area? but they get pretty decent conditions and pay/rest etc) that demands 100% of your living breathing life - even when you are NOT working.
For those that have never flown, the glamour will ALWAYS be there in some degree. Hell.. there is even a tiny speck of it still there for me - which is why i love my job (although i may not like the management or the conditions).
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Pinklemonae and Fingers Crossed, i understand that you may see current FAs 'swanning' into interviews... and yeah its probably annoying - there are always people in every industry that love themselves so much that they think they are the greatest gift to any employer.
However, having said that, this industry has such a high turnover rate with young crew, and there are always people applying who really have no clue about what the 'lifestyle' entails that having flying experience behind you does count for alot... and potential recruiters know it. If you have flown before, you probably have a foot and a bit in the door more than someone who hasnt - ESPECIALLY if you used to work for the same airline in the past as a recruiter (ie Ex Ansett for example) This industry is very much like a big 'family' - crew all around the world, regardless of the airlines they work for are seen as a kind of extended family. We look after them on flights, they look after us. Of course if you are interviewing someone and they used to fly you are going to look on them favourably.. for many reasons, and a big one is that at least they are fully aware of what the job entails and are less likely to 'drop out'. simple as that.
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firstly:
Secondly:
Pinklemonae and Fingers Crossed, i understand that you may see current FAs 'swanning' into interviews... and yeah its probably annoying - there are always people in every industry that love themselves so much that they think they are the greatest gift to any employer.
However, having said that, this industry has such a high turnover rate with young crew, and there are always people applying who really have no clue about what the 'lifestyle' entails that having flying experience behind you does count for alot... and potential recruiters know it. If you have flown before, you probably have a foot and a bit in the door more than someone who hasnt - ESPECIALLY if you used to work for the same airline in the past as a recruiter (ie Ex Ansett for example) This industry is very much like a big 'family' - crew all around the world, regardless of the airlines they work for are seen as a kind of extended family. We look after them on flights, they look after us. Of course if you are interviewing someone and they used to fly you are going to look on them favourably.. for many reasons, and a big one is that at least they are fully aware of what the job entails and are less li kely to 'drop out'. simple as that.
Secondly:
Pinklemonae and Fingers Crossed, i understand that you may see current FAs 'swanning' into interviews... and yeah its probably annoying - there are always people in every industry that love themselves so much that they think they are the greatest gift to any employer.
However, having said that, this industry has such a high turnover rate with young crew, and there are always people applying who really have no clue about what the 'lifestyle' entails that having flying experience behind you does count for alot... and potential recruiters know it. If you have flown before, you probably have a foot and a bit in the door more than someone who hasnt - ESPECIALLY if you used to work for the same airline in the past as a recruiter (ie Ex Ansett for example) This industry is very much like a big 'family' - crew all around the world, regardless of the airlines they work for are seen as a kind of extended family. We look after them on flights, they look after us. Of course if you are interviewing someone and they used to fly you are going to look on them favourably.. for many reasons, and a big one is that at least they are fully aware of what the job entails and are less li kely to 'drop out'. simple as that.
I never stated that ex CC will 'swan' into interviews. I just highlighted the fact that ex I found it interesting that ex CC are very surprised when they do not land a job. Given they have experience. Please read my post properly before becoming defensive.
This thread is turning into a cat fight. The claws are out. There appears to be very little willingness or ability for a deeper analysis on the situation.
No one seems to understand that there are advantages to hiring candidates with no experience.
That is fair enough. Some people have trouble with lateral thought.
Because of this I am not participating any further with this topic.
Thank you.
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Hey Pinklemonae - that was my experience as well when i went through the recruitment process at VB. There were loads of ex AN crew who acted as though the outcome was a foregone conclusion. Fortunately it wasn't and not many of them were in my training school! 
I remember watching them and wondering if they really had any interest in the job or whether they just couldn't find somethign else. It was such a contrast with the majority of other applicants who were almost busting at the seams to get this dream job. In the end we had an awesome initial group, full of people who genuinely wanted to be there and had worked damned hard for it. 
I'm not saying that experience doesn't have value, but its a question of what experiences and what value. Being a bitter ex crewmember with fixed and unrealistic views of the role doesn't exactly make you attractive to an employer....and sure as hell wouldn't make you someone i would want to work with.
I remember watching them and wondering if they really had any interest in the job or whether they just couldn't find somethign else. It was such a contrast with the majority of other applicants who were almost busting at the seams to get this dream job. In the end we had an awesome initial group, full of people who genuinely wanted to be there and had worked damned hard for it. I'm not saying that experience doesn't have value, but its a question of what experiences and what value. Being a bitter ex crewmember with fixed and unrealistic views of the role doesn't exactly make you attractive to an employer....and sure as hell wouldn't make you someone i would want to work with.
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Sorry but in Ansett crew defence, how dare you call them "bitter". That is such a biased view and from reading many of your posts you seem to have a problem with people with experience. How you can operate on board with that attitude and make friends along the way is beyond me. This is a job that survives on team work and experience counts for a hell of a lot. What did you expect, no Ansett crew applying for work? I don't know know a person who "swanned" into an interview thinking they were going to get the job, you are so way off from the mark with that statement. We were left shell shocked, something you hopefully will never have to go through. Many of the crew have never done anything else before, Ansett was a family business, husbands, wives and in some cases the kids worked for Ansett. Trust me, no one is "bitter", why should we be, the company didn't screw us, there is no bitterness towards Ansett whatsoever so think before you write next time. If you saw ex crew at an interview all they were trying to do was promote themselves as you should do, congratulations, you got through so whats the issue?
Sorry but in Ansett crew defence, how dare you call them "bitter". That is such a biased view and from reading many of your posts you seem to have a problem with people with experience. How you can operate on board with that attitude and make friends along the way is beyond me. This is a job that survives on team work and experience counts for a hell of a lot. What did you expect, no Ansett crew applying for work? I don't know know a person who "swanned" into an interview thinking they were going to get the job, you are so way off from the mark with that statement. We were left shell shocked, something you hopefully will never have to go through. Many of the crew have never done anything else before, Ansett was a family business, husbands, wives and in some cases the kids worked for Ansett. Trust me, no one is "bitter", why should we be, the company didn't screw us, there is no bitterness towards Ansett whatsoever so think before you write next time. If you saw ex crew at an interview all they were trying to do was promote themselves as you should do, congratulations, you got through so whats the issue?
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Guys, everyone has something to offer in this industry.
New F/A's to the role can bring a fresh and excited attitude
Experienced Crew bring confidence and a deep understanding of what is required of them in this position.
At the end of the day we are all on that Aircraft as a team with many dynamics that we bring individually to this role......But most importantly a team can not function without respect for each other.
Cheers
New F/A's to the role can bring a fresh and excited attitude
Experienced Crew bring confidence and a deep understanding of what is required of them in this position.
At the end of the day we are all on that Aircraft as a team with many dynamics that we bring individually to this role......But most importantly a team can not function without respect for each other.
Cheers
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Guys, everyone has something to offer in this industry.
New F/A's to the role can bring a fresh and excited attitude
Experienced Crew bring confidence and a deep understanding of what is required of them in this position.
At the end of the day we are all on that Aircraft as a team with many dynamics that we bring individually to this role......But most importantly a team can not function without respect for each other.
Cheers
New F/A's to the role can bring a fresh and excited attitude
Experienced Crew bring confidence and a deep understanding of what is required of them in this position.
At the end of the day we are all on that Aircraft as a team with many dynamics that we bring individually to this role......But most importantly a team can not function without respect for each other.
Cheers
uh oh whateva.... you better bunker down. I think you are in for a barrage. But before that happens, as tightslot said, shall we get this thread back to the topic. This is the Jetstar thread.
So, in an attempt to get back on the rails. My friend started at Jetstar International yesterday. She is in the first melb base school. 10 CSMs and 10 FAs. she said that it seems like that's all they are training for the Melb base (at this stage) - I guess that means hight utilisation of the BKK based crew.
So, in an attempt to get back on the rails. My friend started at Jetstar International yesterday. She is in the first melb base school. 10 CSMs and 10 FAs. she said that it seems like that's all they are training for the Melb base (at this stage) - I guess that means hight utilisation of the BKK based crew.
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Re: whateva!'s post (how appropriate)...
In the department I worked in, no-one there (in a dept. of 200) was related to anyone else in the company. When I joined, none of us knew any existing AN employee's, let alone related to them.
When I finished up as a travel consultant (prior to the collapse), we all looked out for each other and cared about each other - as a 'family' does. Again, in that area also, none of us had relatives already in the organisation.
Your lack of understanding of the significant issues surrounding the collapse (underfunded investment, no investment in fleet for many years, no solid management) show a complete disregard for the truth behind the collapse. All too easy to blame the staff for your problems (...
do I feel shades of Geoff Dixon right now?? )
Nice wind up whateva. Keep up the mediocre work.
AND NOW, BACK TO THE JETSTAR THREAD...
Much of the startup will utilise Australian based crew. Eventually, there will be more usage of Bangkok base crew as the numbers increase.
The first Sydney school starts on 5th October, with another one on 16th.
In the department I worked in, no-one there (in a dept. of 200) was related to anyone else in the company. When I joined, none of us knew any existing AN employee's, let alone related to them.
When I finished up as a travel consultant (prior to the collapse), we all looked out for each other and cared about each other - as a 'family' does. Again, in that area also, none of us had relatives already in the organisation.
"The only reason they went bust is because all you family members looked after each other and got paid too much for it."
do I feel shades of Geoff Dixon right now?? )Nice wind up whateva. Keep up the mediocre work.
AND NOW, BACK TO THE JETSTAR THREAD...
Much of the startup will utilise Australian based crew. Eventually, there will be more usage of Bangkok base crew as the numbers increase.
The first Sydney school starts on 5th October, with another one on 16th.
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whateva!
from your post it is obvious that you are a probationary ppruner! otherwise you would not be as so disrespectful to make such lewd comments about the best airline this country has seen and will ever see again!
it really hurts people like myself and others who were passionate about their company and devastated beyond belief when it all went under.
Yes we were a familyand yes we looked out for each other .. and itwas`such a quality airline because we all took pride in our company. The comraderie was amazing..I doubt you'd find that in any airline in Australia now.
And yes do your homework before you go making such assumptions..there were alot of reasons for the Ansett collapse but the staff didnt have anything to do with it - we we the victums.
May you nver go through anything like it in your lifetime b/c I for one would not wish it upon anyone - it was hell!
back to the topic- good luck to all the JQI canditates and trainees!
from your post it is obvious that you are a probationary ppruner! otherwise you would not be as so disrespectful to make such lewd comments about the best airline this country has seen and will ever see again!
it really hurts people like myself and others who were passionate about their company and devastated beyond belief when it all went under.
Yes we were a familyand yes we looked out for each other .. and itwas`such a quality airline because we all took pride in our company. The comraderie was amazing..I doubt you'd find that in any airline in Australia now.
And yes do your homework before you go making such assumptions..there were alot of reasons for the Ansett collapse but the staff didnt have anything to do with it - we we the victums.
May you nver go through anything like it in your lifetime b/c I for one would not wish it upon anyone - it was hell!
back to the topic- good luck to all the JQI canditates and trainees!