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depends on a few factors, one being which airline and therefore how many aircraft types. If it's Jetstar your training for you'll only have one type, Qantas has 3 for s/h and 3 for l/h with variants of each so there's more to remember. You will need to study each day during your EP component but you sound like you're used to studying so that wont be a problem for you. having said that, you wont be studying for hours on end every night (unless you experience difficulties with the theory - which I doubt). My tip, really pay close attention to your trainer so you can recall as much as you can, that will make your study during your down time easier and faster. It's much easier to read your manual and think "I remember the trainer saying that".
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depends on a few factors, one being which airline and therefore how many aircraft types. If it's Jetstar your training for you'll only have one type, Qantas has 3 for s/h and 3 for l/h with variants of each so there's more to remember. You will need to study each day during your EP component but you sound like you're used to studying so that wont be a problem for you. having said that, you wont be studying for hours on end every night (unless you experience difficulties with the theory - which I doubt). My tip, really pay close attention to your trainer so you can recall as much as you can, that will make your study during your down time easier and faster. It's much easier to read your manual and think "I remember the trainer saying that".
I am accustomed to studying on a tight schedule so I doubt it will be a problem for me.. At least I won’t be learning complex theories designed to confuse - like I have done for the past four years!
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pinklemonae: do not be deceived by the length of the ground school.. previous GS have been running six days a week for 8-`10 hour days with only sunday off - and generally sunday is used all day for revision for exams on the monday.
You will be required to learn things such as drills and equip locations quite quickly and you will be tested reguarly (every week i think) in order to 'pass' to get through to the next level. They make it quite mentally demanding in order to weed out those that only put a half hearted effort in.
Although flying isnt mentally challenging, Ground Schools are exhausting and having that much information shoved down your throat with little time for sleep and no time for relaxation i am honestly not sure how you will manage to do an initial ground school coming from a no flying experience background AND complete a uni assignment?
just something to keep in mind.
You will be required to learn things such as drills and equip locations quite quickly and you will be tested reguarly (every week i think) in order to 'pass' to get through to the next level. They make it quite mentally demanding in order to weed out those that only put a half hearted effort in.
Although flying isnt mentally challenging, Ground Schools are exhausting and having that much information shoved down your throat with little time for sleep and no time for relaxation i am honestly not sure how you will manage to do an initial ground school coming from a no flying experience background AND complete a uni assignment?
just something to keep in mind.
Pinklemonae, don't let ShesGreatintheGalley's comments increase your anxiety levels. That's the last thing you need. You're a university student, so you obviously know how to handle a a tough study load - i've been there having completed 2 uni degrees too. An airline ground school is by far less stressful and interesting and practical than any other study course i've completed. (for the record i've done 2 airline ground schools.) The difference is that a GS is fast paced and you move from topic to topic very quickly. You will probably have tests every second day at least, but don't let that stress you out. It's actually great revision tool and by the time you come to the final exam you are so full of the information that you're nearly bursting to let it all out on the paper. You will definitely find time to sleep and relax - i'm not sure why shesgreatinthegalley thinks otherwise. She must have gone overboard with the SWOT in her GS. You wont need to be up all night studying. Plan your time well and you'll be able to do your uni exam too. So good luck, enjoy the course, they're lots of fun.
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I dont want to take away the importance and toughness of cabin crew training but its all about organisation.
Dont let SGITG scare you, i came from a non study background and have done 2 ground schools, one with multiple aircraft types and one with a single type and i found them both fine. The trainers dont want you to fail, so listen, concentrate, pland your time right and you'll be fine. If you arent sleeping then you arent following a plan well enough.
You'll be fine - my suggestion is stop thinking now and just DO!
All the best
Dont let SGITG scare you, i came from a non study background and have done 2 ground schools, one with multiple aircraft types and one with a single type and i found them both fine. The trainers dont want you to fail, so listen, concentrate, pland your time right and you'll be fine. If you arent sleeping then you arent following a plan well enough.
You'll be fine - my suggestion is stop thinking now and just DO!
All the best
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pinklemonae: do not be deceived by the length of the ground school.. previous GS have been running six days a week for 8-`10 hour days with only sunday off - and generally sunday is used all day for revision for exams on the monday.
You will be required to learn things such as drills and equip locations quite quickly and you will be tested reguarly (every week i think) in order to 'pass' to get through to the next level. They make it quite mentally demanding in order to weed out those that only put a half hearted effort in.
Although flying isnt mentally challenging, Ground Schools are exhausting and having that much information shoved down your throat with little time for sleep and no time for relaxation i am honestly not sure how you will manage to do an initial ground school coming from a no flying experience background AND complete a uni assignment?
just something to keep in mind.
You will be required to learn things such as drills and equip locations quite quickly and you will be tested reguarly (every week i think) in order to 'pass' to get through to the next level. They make it quite mentally demanding in order to weed out those that only put a half hearted effort in.
Although flying isnt mentally challenging, Ground Schools are exhausting and having that much information shoved down your throat with little time for sleep and no time for relaxation i am honestly not sure how you will manage to do an initial ground school coming from a no flying experience background AND complete a uni assignment?
just something to keep in mind.
Thank you for your realistic sentiments.
I figure if I can get through four years of full time uni, working three days, attending acting school, over four hundred hours of industry work experience AND language school simultaneously - I can get through five weeks of GS and one last exam for my degree.
Remembering...One last exam to finish four years of very hard work.
What I am excited about is this material will be so practical. None of this 'now lets consider this theroretical frame work from every angle!'.
I dont want to take away the importance and toughness of cabin crew training but its all about organisation.
Dont let SGITG scare you, i came from a non study background and have done 2 ground schools, one with multiple aircraft types and one with a single type and i found them both fine. The trainers dont want you to fail, so listen, concentrate, pland your time right and you'll be fine. If you arent sleeping then you arent following a plan well enough.
You'll be fine - my suggestion is stop thinking now and just DO!
All the best
Dont let SGITG scare you, i came from a non study background and have done 2 ground schools, one with multiple aircraft types and one with a single type and i found them both fine. The trainers dont want you to fail, so listen, concentrate, pland your time right and you'll be fine. If you arent sleeping then you arent following a plan well enough.
You'll be fine - my suggestion is stop thinking now and just DO!
All the best
Thanks for all the advice and information. I will let you know how I get along..
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Tzenin,
Since you are such a know it all you would have known that I used to work for JQ for 2 yrs actually. I totally enjoyed my time working for them & found that they were a great employer in the area that I worked in. I have absolutly no idea what you are refering to, when you say that I make claims that ppl should not work for JQ without a valid reason????? I can not find anything here in this topic or any other topics where I have said this? Can you provide that to me? No I doubt that you can. I may have said that I personally would not work under the current conditions of JQI Cabin Crew as I actually believe that QF AKL L/H have a better deal than JQI & thats saying something. I would say that its a great opportunity for those breaking in to the industry or ppl looking for a change, I am sure that you will enjoy it. Next time you critisize someone I think that you should back up your own claims.
Since you are such a know it all you would have known that I used to work for JQ for 2 yrs actually. I totally enjoyed my time working for them & found that they were a great employer in the area that I worked in. I have absolutly no idea what you are refering to, when you say that I make claims that ppl should not work for JQ without a valid reason????? I can not find anything here in this topic or any other topics where I have said this? Can you provide that to me? No I doubt that you can. I may have said that I personally would not work under the current conditions of JQI Cabin Crew as I actually believe that QF AKL L/H have a better deal than JQI & thats saying something. I would say that its a great opportunity for those breaking in to the industry or ppl looking for a change, I am sure that you will enjoy it. Next time you critisize someone I think that you should back up your own claims.
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There is no need to endlessly quote massive sections of text each time you post - apart from simply wasting server space and bandwidth it is tedious for others to read - from now on, offending posts will be deleted.
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pinklemonae: sorry if i have offended you - i certainly didnt mean it in the tone of "oh you better watch out its so tough there is no way you will be able to do both".. as i dont know you i dont feel really that making that judgement is any of my business, nor would it be even if i did know you.
i was simply letting you know that it is not all sitting in a classroom watching a lecturer all day (a view which some, especially new crew who i talk to - seem to of held prior to flying)
i suppose one of the downsides to typing in this way is that a tone of voice cannot be portrayed.. therefore you perhaps took it as hostile?
i have also just realised from reading back that in my first post i have put in a few words that probably do 'dramatise' it slightly.. however i wont edit it as i dont feel i have anything to hide.
regardless... i am currently looking at the roster for october and as it stands, briefly, you are scheduled to do GS from Mon-Sat from 800-1700 with sun off.. some of the days are later starts and go through till 2am.
- as for my perspective, i too have studied whilst working full time hours.. and understand a demanding work/studyload. Neither was i the sort to 'go overboard with my study in ground school.. its exhausting, but not hard and i found that with proper rest, food and 'other time' it was quite balanced. i am once again sorry that my post was taken out of context with negative doom and gloom undertones - something for which i am sure others will agree isnt really my style
i was simply letting you know that it is not all sitting in a classroom watching a lecturer all day (a view which some, especially new crew who i talk to - seem to of held prior to flying)
i suppose one of the downsides to typing in this way is that a tone of voice cannot be portrayed.. therefore you perhaps took it as hostile?
i have also just realised from reading back that in my first post i have put in a few words that probably do 'dramatise' it slightly.. however i wont edit it as i dont feel i have anything to hide.
regardless... i am currently looking at the roster for october and as it stands, briefly, you are scheduled to do GS from Mon-Sat from 800-1700 with sun off.. some of the days are later starts and go through till 2am.
- as for my perspective, i too have studied whilst working full time hours.. and understand a demanding work/studyload. Neither was i the sort to 'go overboard with my study in ground school.. its exhausting, but not hard and i found that with proper rest, food and 'other time' it was quite balanced. i am once again sorry that my post was taken out of context with negative doom and gloom undertones - something for which i am sure others will agree isnt really my style
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I am trying to figure out where I will have time to go to the gym..Haha
Thanks for letting me know the GS time frame.
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Well may I back up Leane7 in saying that after five and a half years at that company I did find Jetstar to be both a bad employer and a horrible place to work due to nasty and incompetent management. 
(Nothing to do with the LCC operation and wearing a T-shirt to work. And the crew I worked with were fantastic!)
If five and a half years at an employer that had not even existed for six years (as in employing cabin crew) does not count as something and entitle one to an opinion I don't know what does.
(Nothing to do with the LCC operation and wearing a T-shirt to work. And the crew I worked with were fantastic!)If five and a half years at an employer that had not even existed for six years (as in employing cabin crew) does not count as something and entitle one to an opinion I don't know what does.
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Leane7 - Of course it's not a threat, but lets keep things in perspective. Firstly, I have been through a hell of alot with Adecco and now Jetconnect, there are times I get so frustrated with the ways things happen. I'm not saying we can't improve things, but to do that we need to work together, as I read all these forums all I see is mud-slinging and that does not help any of us at all. However, we are not employed directly by QF, and we are not employed under Australian law (and for the record I am an Australian), and quite frankly, times have changed. Yes, things are looking up for us, but we will never have what the Australian bases have, infact, I don't think they will have it for much longer. Like it or not, we have been a success for Qantas, we have managed to reduce the contribution margins and variable costs and that all amounts to greater profits. Our base is now the benchmark of things to come.
Sorry people, back on the subject now. If anyone is considering weather they want to fly with Jetstar, the only way you are ever going to know for sure is to do it. Sure, it's great to get other peoples perspective of the job, contract etc, and you should, but thats all it is - their perspective. Everybody is motivated in different ways and there will always be negatives to it, just remember there are positives... those of us who are in the industry are proof of that, or we wouldn't be here! Take it for what it is and enjoy it and never loose sight of the fact that if you don't like it, it's okay, there is life after QF/Jetstar.
Good luck to those of you who are about to start and to those still waiting.
Sorry people, back on the subject now. If anyone is considering weather they want to fly with Jetstar, the only way you are ever going to know for sure is to do it. Sure, it's great to get other peoples perspective of the job, contract etc, and you should, but thats all it is - their perspective. Everybody is motivated in different ways and there will always be negatives to it, just remember there are positives... those of us who are in the industry are proof of that, or we wouldn't be here! Take it for what it is and enjoy it and never loose sight of the fact that if you don't like it, it's okay, there is life after QF/Jetstar.
Good luck to those of you who are about to start and to those still waiting.
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Some great points there FBN... im another aussie who works for the lovely people who reside in the glasshouse.
The history of jetconnect takes it back to being a "trial" for all the costcutting in the world QF could do in the dust of Ansett NZ. It has worked out brilliantly for them. Aswell as their large, ever expanding short haul operation they are now at the helm of expanding the "spirit of australia's" soon to be largest base. LOL!!! AUCKLAND!
Get used to it cos it wont change and there is soon to more of that kiwi twang in the voice of the QF Long Haul crew and many of the short skips accross the ditch.
We all know that all JQ A320 flights are operated by jetconnect short haul cabin crew based in CHC dont we??
Thats the spirit - fresh spirit
The history of jetconnect takes it back to being a "trial" for all the costcutting in the world QF could do in the dust of Ansett NZ. It has worked out brilliantly for them. Aswell as their large, ever expanding short haul operation they are now at the helm of expanding the "spirit of australia's" soon to be largest base. LOL!!! AUCKLAND!
Get used to it cos it wont change and there is soon to more of that kiwi twang in the voice of the QF Long Haul crew and many of the short skips accross the ditch.
We all know that all JQ A320 flights are operated by jetconnect short haul cabin crew based in CHC dont we??
Thats the spirit - fresh spirit
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I accept your point of view Overhere, although, you seem to be using the term "undermining" rather loosely. On one hand there are people arguing that Jetstar has created jobs that otherwise would not have existed, on the other, there are people who claim that by accepting the conditions, all crew will suffer in the long term by lowering the bar. I believe both of these arguments have merits.
I think there should be room for negotiation and I do not support AWA's or the current govt. We could all look backwards, scratch our heads and ask "why?" or point the finger at each other. Because, for some reason those who do accept those conditions are expected to decline a job offer - incase they are undermining those who have worked hard over the years to secure the very conditions being eroded. But who is undermining who? It has been stated by many people before me in other threads that we are all playing into GD's hands. We cannot possibly ignore that, there is definately a "them/us" mentality between every base, every division and now every group.... the battle is being lost, not because someone decided to accept a job at a lower condition, but because we are not united.
The conditions being offered are not necessarily ideal, but they fall within the legal boundaries on all accounts. The way I see it (and this is my view, not asking you to adopt it), if it becomes too much for Jetstar, they will expand off shore and more jobs will be lost overseas.
Furthermore, I certainly was not critisising anyone, I support the prospect of improving conditions for everyone, beit AUS, AKL, LHR or BKK. But while we scrap over issues like this, we take two more steps back.
As for telling me to do some research, I made it very clear in my post which information was directed where. And, who sets the industry standards out of curiosity? Is it Qantas who regulates the "industry standards"? There is a clear difference between standards and benchmarks.
I am not critisising anyone who is employed by mainline, and I'm not encouraging anyone to undermine anyone else. I was merely trying to show these new comers it is not all bad, not all good (I've acknowledged that), but not all bad.
Thanks Leane7, I'm not going to cry poor me over anything that has happened. It's what happens onboard that counts more to me to an extent, especially when we are all together for long periods of time. But, lets just say we have common ground, things are getting better and to an extent we are in a very stable position now. It can be difficult to seperate emotion from the reality sometimes, but it's important we try. As for the shared hotel rooms, I have heard the same thing, but I don't know if there is any truth to it. I would like to assume it is false, but I'll reserve judgement on that.
I think there should be room for negotiation and I do not support AWA's or the current govt. We could all look backwards, scratch our heads and ask "why?" or point the finger at each other. Because, for some reason those who do accept those conditions are expected to decline a job offer - incase they are undermining those who have worked hard over the years to secure the very conditions being eroded. But who is undermining who? It has been stated by many people before me in other threads that we are all playing into GD's hands. We cannot possibly ignore that, there is definately a "them/us" mentality between every base, every division and now every group.... the battle is being lost, not because someone decided to accept a job at a lower condition, but because we are not united.
The conditions being offered are not necessarily ideal, but they fall within the legal boundaries on all accounts. The way I see it (and this is my view, not asking you to adopt it), if it becomes too much for Jetstar, they will expand off shore and more jobs will be lost overseas.
Furthermore, I certainly was not critisising anyone, I support the prospect of improving conditions for everyone, beit AUS, AKL, LHR or BKK. But while we scrap over issues like this, we take two more steps back.
As for telling me to do some research, I made it very clear in my post which information was directed where. And, who sets the industry standards out of curiosity? Is it Qantas who regulates the "industry standards"? There is a clear difference between standards and benchmarks.
I am not critisising anyone who is employed by mainline, and I'm not encouraging anyone to undermine anyone else. I was merely trying to show these new comers it is not all bad, not all good (I've acknowledged that), but not all bad.
Thanks Leane7, I'm not going to cry poor me over anything that has happened. It's what happens onboard that counts more to me to an extent, especially when we are all together for long periods of time. But, lets just say we have common ground, things are getting better and to an extent we are in a very stable position now. It can be difficult to seperate emotion from the reality sometimes, but it's important we try. As for the shared hotel rooms, I have heard the same thing, but I don't know if there is any truth to it. I would like to assume it is false, but I'll reserve judgement on that.
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all the people i know who are currently either in a JQI GS or about to start one say that the sharing hotel room thing is false. However i wouldnt trust management anyway as everything in the contract is 'subject to management approval'/'subject to change for operational requirements'/'liable to change at managements discretion'... there seem to be NO boundaries as to what rights you have and where you draw the line at what involvement they have in everything.
The being available 7 days a week thing even on your days off is a great example. If operationally required.. they can at a moments notice shuffle your entire roster around to suit them..
guess we should just wait and see.
The being available 7 days a week thing even on your days off is a great example. If operationally required.. they can at a moments notice shuffle your entire roster around to suit them..
guess we should just wait and see.
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changing of rosters
i was a mam casual for years, they would always change our rosters around at the last minute due to schedule changes, etc etc
sometimes it was crap, sometimes u got better duties, sure it stuffs your life about, but there is nothing we could do about it.
i did though, i left earlier this year....!
kids its all over, everyone hates everyone, the qf crew hate jetstar, long haul hate short haul, akl are envious of pay scales in oz, the list goes on. qantas/jetstar will always win unfortunately, and crew would never unite against the company. Way too many "its all about me" people in the flying world, its just not what it used to be!
sometimes it was crap, sometimes u got better duties, sure it stuffs your life about, but there is nothing we could do about it.
i did though, i left earlier this year....!
kids its all over, everyone hates everyone, the qf crew hate jetstar, long haul hate short haul, akl are envious of pay scales in oz, the list goes on. qantas/jetstar will always win unfortunately, and crew would never unite against the company. Way too many "its all about me" people in the flying world, its just not what it used to be!
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kids its all over, everyone hates everyone, the qf crew hate jetstar, long haul hate short haul, akl are envious of pay scales in oz, the list goes on. qantas/jetstar will always win unfortunately, and crew would never unite against the company. Way too many "its all about me" people in the flying world, its just not what it used to be!