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mamslave,
Your right about the flying game and the race to the bottom is gaining momentum.
Unfortunately there will always be people that do not care about the conditions until they are doing the job and by that stage it is too late, darth has won and has got his airline off the ground.You only have to look at the guy who started MAM and know that he was once with the union,that just about say's it all.
If you think the job is not the same as a few years ago ,you should have seen it 30 years ago
I have seen puddles in the footpath deeper than some of the people in this game
Your right about the flying game and the race to the bottom is gaining momentum.
Unfortunately there will always be people that do not care about the conditions until they are doing the job and by that stage it is too late, darth has won and has got his airline off the ground.You only have to look at the guy who started MAM and know that he was once with the union,that just about say's it all.
If you think the job is not the same as a few years ago ,you should have seen it 30 years ago
I have seen puddles in the footpath deeper than some of the people in this game
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Talking about conditions and the race to the bottom. Ive just done a trip out of another base and could not believe that some people CM where emptying bins? Not the majority though!
Well the FAAA has just put out ANOTHER newsletter advising that its not our job to do this. When are these crew goin to learn!!!!
Some of the crew are definately leading the race to the bottom .
Good on ya!
Who are they goin to blame when the company tell ya to vacuum the aircraft before sign off
OOPS YOU MISSED A SPOT
HOW BOUT SOME PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT!!!!
The old conquer and divide attitude of the company. Report the Cabin Manager when they dont empty the bins.
I worked with some good Cabin Managers and they made it quite clear ITS NOT THERE JOB. WE ARE NOT CLEANERS.
There are alot of us who are new to flying. I for one am listening to these experienced people.
Educate your fellow crew on the consequences of these minority who are out to destroy our conditions. Think about the future and if this is still going to be a career in 5 years not the CHURN and BURN FACTORY
Well the FAAA has just put out ANOTHER newsletter advising that its not our job to do this. When are these crew goin to learn!!!!
Some of the crew are definately leading the race to the bottom .
Good on ya!
Who are they goin to blame when the company tell ya to vacuum the aircraft before sign off
OOPS YOU MISSED A SPOT
HOW BOUT SOME PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT!!!!
The old conquer and divide attitude of the company. Report the Cabin Manager when they dont empty the bins.
I worked with some good Cabin Managers and they made it quite clear ITS NOT THERE JOB. WE ARE NOT CLEANERS.
There are alot of us who are new to flying. I for one am listening to these experienced people.
Educate your fellow crew on the consequences of these minority who are out to destroy our conditions. Think about the future and if this is still going to be a career in 5 years not the CHURN and BURN FACTORY
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I agree jqfella, when are these people going to learn????????
My opinion is that if the company wants crew to empty the bins on each turnaround, then damn well pay crew for it!!! Seriously, why does jetstar think that we should keep doing more and more and getting nothing for it??
Oh...just realised....what a stupid post this is.........I can answer my own question............its quite simple really............CAUSE CREW KEEP DOING MORE AND MORE FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on guys, really take a think about the long term implications, as jqfella said, how you going to react when the company says lets get crew to do the overnight cleans on the aircraft............hmmmm I wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!
My opinion is that if the company wants crew to empty the bins on each turnaround, then damn well pay crew for it!!! Seriously, why does jetstar think that we should keep doing more and more and getting nothing for it??
Oh...just realised....what a stupid post this is.........I can answer my own question............its quite simple really............CAUSE CREW KEEP DOING MORE AND MORE FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on guys, really take a think about the long term implications, as jqfella said, how you going to react when the company says lets get crew to do the overnight cleans on the aircraft............hmmmm I wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi all, I m new to hear. Sorry if i post my question in the wrong place.
I had my assessment interview day with jetconnect LH last week. I have a few questions that i m wondering if anyone can answer, I would appricate all your helps.
1. I have read lots of msgs here. I m a bit confused about jetconnect n jetstar. Could anyone tell me the differences?
2. From your expeirence, How long does it take them to get back to me after assessment day? When will be the training day in Sydney n Auckland?
3. I m currently living in wellington. I m wondering if i have a chance not to relocate myself to auckland for the position.
4. I have read lots msg about work condition with jectconnect. how much is the base salary? So many different allowances, Who can explain a bit to me? Well, i speak another language, does it make much differences in terms of chosing route n allowances.
Again, I would appricate your answer.
I wish I could get the chance.
Cheers.
I had my assessment interview day with jetconnect LH last week. I have a few questions that i m wondering if anyone can answer, I would appricate all your helps.
1. I have read lots of msgs here. I m a bit confused about jetconnect n jetstar. Could anyone tell me the differences?
2. From your expeirence, How long does it take them to get back to me after assessment day? When will be the training day in Sydney n Auckland?
3. I m currently living in wellington. I m wondering if i have a chance not to relocate myself to auckland for the position.
4. I have read lots msg about work condition with jectconnect. how much is the base salary? So many different allowances, Who can explain a bit to me? Well, i speak another language, does it make much differences in terms of chosing route n allowances.
Again, I would appricate your answer.
I wish I could get the chance.
Cheers.
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I don't fly for JetStar but do fly for the group. It's interesting to hear that some crew are taking it upon themselves to go beyond their duty and empty bins, etc. Please take my advice, this all seems very good and well and congratulations for thinking you are doing the right thing, it's great to hear that some of your crew are so enthusiastic but someone "else" is paid to do this job and if you do continue this you will be taking work away from those actually contracted to do it. In the end you will start to hear from the unions of those employed to do these jobs. I know you think you are just trying to help and I completely understand the ethic but I learn't years ago, even just folding blankets we were reported. Obviously if there was going to be a delay I'm sure assistance would be appreciated but I have been in a lot of trouble in the past for doing another departments job. We are all lucky to be where we are, lets keep them all employed too.
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Unfortunately for us, air doris, we haven't had cleaners on our aircraft (except for overnight cleans) since JQ started...meaning if we don't empty the rubbish cart, no one else will...which may be fine for a couple of sectors, but where do you put crap after then?
Not a complex issue...but a difficult one for the crew at the coalface.
Not a complex issue...but a difficult one for the crew at the coalface.
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The list goes on and on, and as jqfella said, at LEAST 5 years, ive been on it for 3 years... Not long to wait now... *Sighs*
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Well I can only go by what he has told me. He said he got part time six months ago when he enrolled in uni and i dont have any reason not to believe him.
I guess the question has been asnwered, yes you can but clearly its not entirely easy. Over and out.
I guess the question has been asnwered, yes you can but clearly its not entirely easy. Over and out.
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No idea where you got that info from, JQ has only been up n running 2 and a bit years, and the list is HUGE! And the opportunities that arise for part time are very rare!
The list goes on and on, and as jqfella said, at LEAST 5 years, ive been on it for 3 years... Not long to wait now... *Sighs*
The list goes on and on, and as jqfella said, at LEAST 5 years, ive been on it for 3 years... Not long to wait now... *Sighs*
JQ are going to be recruiting casuals soon too..
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JQ can't recruit casuals like MAM/QF...if they recruit them, they can only be for a 'temporary period', such as to cover mat leave, sudden expansion, and so on.
Not as easy as it is for QF.
Not as easy as it is for QF.
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Jetstar ... Casuals... Not in the near future...
Apparently we are heading to Broome and starting new destinations in the summer coming, we need more full time staff to cover the flying... They wont emply casuals to fly it, defeats the purpose of a LCC...
Apparently we are heading to Broome and starting new destinations in the summer coming, we need more full time staff to cover the flying... They wont emply casuals to fly it, defeats the purpose of a LCC...
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LCC operators like JQ will do whatever they have to do to get a plane from A to B and back ... If it means casuals for a 3 month period they will do it...... JQ parent company uses casuals to benefit their operation..... Why not ours 
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Maurice Alexander Management ( MAM) is a company which provides contract casual labour - once for Ansett , now for Q.F.
At any company's request it can provide casual labour.
Ansett needed casuals to cover the peaks of business when resources were thin on the ground . It also facilitated the introduction of a much more flexible rostering system which meant that you could dump up to 43 hours from your roster ( losing pay of course ) and attempt to pick up more suitable work from the dumped pool of work ,or accept less pay and have the time off.(handy if you needed a weekend off or 2)
Work not picked up by Ansett f/a's was then allocated to MAM , as was any sick leave etc which could not be covered. The employment of casuals was pivotal in allowing us full timers more flexibility , particularly those at the bottom of the seniority list (who were given first pick at the dumped duties in reverse order of seniority) We all viewed the initial utilisation of casuals with some trepidation and the doomsday theorists saw it as the end of the world as we knew it . It was proven not to be so .
That said , the faaa had a huge say in the implementation of casuals and set limitations on their use. Who knows what would have happened if the company was given open slather to utilise casuals?
If JQ implements casual f/a's make sure that the FAAA gets involved heavily with the agreement, otherwise casualisation could seriously erode full time entitlements.
Be careful.
At any company's request it can provide casual labour.
Ansett needed casuals to cover the peaks of business when resources were thin on the ground . It also facilitated the introduction of a much more flexible rostering system which meant that you could dump up to 43 hours from your roster ( losing pay of course ) and attempt to pick up more suitable work from the dumped pool of work ,or accept less pay and have the time off.(handy if you needed a weekend off or 2)
Work not picked up by Ansett f/a's was then allocated to MAM , as was any sick leave etc which could not be covered. The employment of casuals was pivotal in allowing us full timers more flexibility , particularly those at the bottom of the seniority list (who were given first pick at the dumped duties in reverse order of seniority) We all viewed the initial utilisation of casuals with some trepidation and the doomsday theorists saw it as the end of the world as we knew it . It was proven not to be so .
That said , the faaa had a huge say in the implementation of casuals and set limitations on their use. Who knows what would have happened if the company was given open slather to utilise casuals?
If JQ implements casual f/a's make sure that the FAAA gets involved heavily with the agreement, otherwise casualisation could seriously erode full time entitlements.
Be careful.
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Casual clause for JQ Domestic as follows:
"18.3. (f) The following criteria will be used for the utilisation of casual Flight Attendants:
i) Casual Flight Attendants will be used to complement the full time Flight Attendant establishment numbers for reserve duties and for short periods such as expansion of the Jetstar network or where insufficient work is available in a base to build full lines of flying
ii) Casual Flight Attendants may cover periods of leave, including maternity leave
... (cont)"
Pretty much been the case since the last EBA.
"18.3. (f) The following criteria will be used for the utilisation of casual Flight Attendants:
i) Casual Flight Attendants will be used to complement the full time Flight Attendant establishment numbers for reserve duties and for short periods such as expansion of the Jetstar network or where insufficient work is available in a base to build full lines of flying
ii) Casual Flight Attendants may cover periods of leave, including maternity leave
... (cont)"
Pretty much been the case since the last EBA.
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flyperth...
Well the criteria says Between 163cm - 183cm in height...
I'm not too sure how strict they are with it if you're say one or two cms out... Perhaps with your current experience they would look past it.
Good luck!
Well the criteria says Between 163cm - 183cm in height...
I'm not too sure how strict they are with it if you're say one or two cms out... Perhaps with your current experience they would look past it.
Good luck!