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I admit I have no idea how crew rostering works but as an engineer I know how an aircraft sched works (rostering for airplanes)
With all the long sectors each plane will be available at best to do 1 return per day especially with the curfew in SYD
It would appear on paper looking at the schedule that Jet* don't have the aircraft to flog the CC, I would say you will get 2 - 3 days in phuket at first, until the fleet builds and the frequency to these holiday destinations builds from 3 times a week,
Its when the fleet builds and then you get flogged by your conditions in your awa the startup CC will be talking about the good ole days....
With all the long sectors each plane will be available at best to do 1 return per day especially with the curfew in SYD
It would appear on paper looking at the schedule that Jet* don't have the aircraft to flog the CC, I would say you will get 2 - 3 days in phuket at first, until the fleet builds and the frequency to these holiday destinations builds from 3 times a week,
Its when the fleet builds and then you get flogged by your conditions in your awa the startup CC will be talking about the good ole days....
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I'm a JQD fa and know crew that are going across to JQI. One aircraft comes online in Nov, one in Dec, and so on until all 6 are online. Rosters are showing 5 day BKK stopovers and the like, however it is unlikely that these type of trips will continue for the long run, particularly after the arrival of the 787s, so enjoy it while it lasts. Regarding the conditions - I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, domestic pays far better and honestly, the hardest we work is on a turnaround. Good luck to those who are applying and to those who have been accepted, but don't be surprised when it becomes a churn and burn machine in about 22 months 
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Look at JetstarFA's post re: schedules...not too far from the truth.
Operate SYD-HNL
Min Rest
Operate HNL-MEL-SYD
Some destinations will have a bit of slipt time - for now. The plan is to triangulate the crew to keep them and the plane flying. It isn't necessarily back to your home base as the above pattern proves.
This was an example pattern show to recruits in the info session.
Operate SYD-HNL
Min Rest
Operate HNL-MEL-SYD
Some destinations will have a bit of slipt time - for now. The plan is to triangulate the crew to keep them and the plane flying. It isn't necessarily back to your home base as the above pattern proves.
This was an example pattern show to recruits in the info session.
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Hi Raver/Flitegirl,
I brought them down from KIX. They are not JQI trainees. They are from a japanese f/a training college, coming to Australia to learn english. They are hoping to be placed with ANA/JAL on course completion. Doing the safety demo in front of them was blinding - literally ! Camera flashes every 1/4 second !
Hope you are both well.
Cheers
QF SKY
I brought them down from KIX. They are not JQI trainees. They are from a japanese f/a training college, coming to Australia to learn english. They are hoping to be placed with ANA/JAL on course completion. Doing the safety demo in front of them was blinding - literally ! Camera flashes every 1/4 second !
Hope you are both well.
Cheers
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When i say revolting i refer to the time just recently i got assaulted due to an enginering problem which is apperently the cabin crews faults as they wait at the gate. Also the time i got vomited on. What about clearing in meal trays, apparently its poor customer service to wear gloves.
Im not saying i hate the job, but there is a reality to it. I only get through it because i get to go to great places and get paid ok. You guys wont have that, you'll be operating there and paxing back, and getting paid peanuts to do it. Allowances dont add up when you dont do long duties.
Im not saying i hate the job, but there is a reality to it. I only get through it because i get to go to great places and get paid ok. You guys wont have that, you'll be operating there and paxing back, and getting paid peanuts to do it. Allowances dont add up when you dont do long duties.
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I think you are forgetting a little airline called Qantas, that operates to BKK daily - if you think JQI is planning on slipping crew in BKK for five days when they have the oppotunity to pax the crew back in Y/C on QF (after min rest of course) .It would be cheaper for them to do that, rather than slip for 5 days. then pax the replacement crew up the day before, give em min rest again to operate the flight home. Same as HNL, they can just pax em back on the QF flight.
It's interesting you probably have seen dummy rosters, however when QF opened the LHR base, the dummy rosters they showed were not what the rosters turned out to be, maybe just a ploy to get crew over to JQI?
JQI obviously thinks they can get the 150 hours in a month. There is no way they can achieve these hours with anything more than single night slips in each port. At QF we already see patterns where crew pax on other airlines to gain greater roster efficiency.
Rosters are showing 5 day BKK stopovers and the like
I think you are forgetting a little airline called Qantas, that operates to BKK daily - if you think JQI is planning on slipping crew in BKK for five days when they have the oppotunity to pax the crew back in Y/C on QF (after min rest of course)
.It would be cheaper for them to do that, rather than slip for 5 days. then pax the replacement crew up the day before, give em min rest again to operate the flight home. Same as HNL, they can just pax em back on the QF flight.It's interesting you probably have seen dummy rosters, however when QF opened the LHR base, the dummy rosters they showed were not what the rosters turned out to be, maybe just a ploy to get crew over to JQI?
JQI obviously thinks they can get the 150 hours in a month. There is no way they can achieve these hours with anything more than single night slips in each port. At QF we already see patterns where crew pax on other airlines to gain greater roster efficiency.
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Its become a job, passangers actually pitty FAs. It is degrading. Benefits,yes. How you going to pay for using those travel benefits when you earn nothing. And with JQI and other cheapy carriers. Earn more money with another job and pay for your tickets on a full service carrier.
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When i say revolting i refer to the time just recently i got assaulted due to an enginering problem which is apperently the cabin crews faults as they wait at the gate. Also the time i got vomited on. What about clearing in meal trays, apparently its poor customer service to wear gloves.
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Bolty - it was not the engineers fault either. The aircraft had gone U/S and as a result the pax were required to wait another night.
When we (the crew) arrived at the gate to get on and prep the aircraft we interrupted the ground staff making an announcement that another aircraft would be chartered in as the aircraft needed heavy maitemance. As we went to walk away to hide from the DP's (disgruntled pax) one of them came up to me and shoved his boarding pass in my face and yelled "get me on this flight"... i responded "get out of my face" and he punched me. Of course he got arrested, and of course i was well supported but how was it my fault? It was noones fault, these things just happen.
I dont get paid enough to be abused or assaulted, and whats worse is that his wife had a running commentary as the police took him away - "the little fag deserved it". To which i responded "well u wont be going anywhere now will you".. lol but thats another story.
When we (the crew) arrived at the gate to get on and prep the aircraft we interrupted the ground staff making an announcement that another aircraft would be chartered in as the aircraft needed heavy maitemance. As we went to walk away to hide from the DP's (disgruntled pax) one of them came up to me and shoved his boarding pass in my face and yelled "get me on this flight"... i responded "get out of my face" and he punched me. Of course he got arrested, and of course i was well supported but how was it my fault? It was noones fault, these things just happen.
I dont get paid enough to be abused or assaulted, and whats worse is that his wife had a running commentary as the police took him away - "the little fag deserved it". To which i responded "well u wont be going anywhere now will you".. lol but thats another story.
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Sorry to hear anyone gets punched doing their duty.
Aircraft break and we rarely have parts to fix them (even in sydney) and us engineers get abused too in delay situations but we have fairly thick skin.
You guys should use your "service recover tools"
Blame the faceless bad engineer outside so when the aircraft does finally depart the bad element is left behind...
Thats what happens now
Sorry to hear anyone gets punched doing their duty.
Aircraft break and we rarely have parts to fix them (even in sydney) and us engineers get abused too in delay situations but we have fairly thick skin.
You guys should use your "service recover tools"
Blame the faceless bad engineer outside so when the aircraft does finally depart the bad element is left behind...
Thats what happens now
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Peoples jobs are as difficult as they choose to make them, crews always complain about how nasty some passengers are, heres a tip for everyone, try being nice to your passengers, they might surprise you.
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(disgruntled pax) one of them came up to me and shoved his boarding pass in my face and yelled "get me on this flight"... i responded "get out of my face" and he punched me. Of course he got arrested, and of course i was well supported but how was it my fault? It was noones fault, these things just happen.
I dont get paid enough to be abused or assaulted, and whats worse is that his wife had a running commentary as the police took him away - "the little fag deserved it". To which i responded "well u wont be going anywhere now will you".. lol
I dont get paid enough to be abused or assaulted, and whats worse is that his wife had a running commentary as the police took him away - "the little fag deserved it". To which i responded "well u wont be going anywhere now will you".. lol
No offense but it's little wonder he responded the way he did with your remark, lesson 101 in conflict management is that the only persons behaviour you can control is your own. You need to guide their level of conflict to a positive level, not respond with further conflict.
Maybe what we're seeing with such low terms and conditions is not enough training and people without the life experience and training being thrown into situations they can't handle.
Remember many passengers have a great fear of flying and that fear, along with them being out of control, out of their comfort zone and often at the mercy of changing airline schedules, with the added stress of having to be somewhere for work or family in a busy and demanding society, leads them to do things out of character. I often feel sorry for them to be honest.
You don't know why he "had" to get on that flight - maybe he had the career changing business meeting the next morning, his mother was on her death bed, his wife was about to give birth, his child had just been in an accident or he just hadn't seen his family in weeks.
And you're right, he'll probably never fly Qantas again, probably through choice. Who pays your salary though? I always thought it was the passengers.....
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If sebby is actually crew and not a pretender I find it amazing that he/she would even post his comment of "get out of my face"..In the time I have been with QF I have never used anything like that nor have I heard anyone else for that matter use anything similar.
I cannot count the number of delays and diversions I have been involved with and have never responded with a comment like that and as overthere said you don't know what the circumstances the pax was in.
I suppose though that if you pay the amount that GD is willing to pay then you will get crew with the lack of skills that will make comments like these
Bolty has a valid point with the operating flights with our new sibling J* international.Unless they will not count transit time as part of TOD and if there is no limit on hours (which would not surprise me ) then for example on the HNL flight the CC will have to have more than 24 hours slip unless they can operate straight back to OZ and other ports until the schedule is daily.I doubt QF would set aside valuable y/c seats for paxing crew so in Thailand and other ports at least for the first 6 or 12 months or so the slips should be good.The company as well will be pointing this out to all to show how good the crew have it....My advice for the crew is to use that time well while it lasts because if there is any certainty in this world this will not last
I cannot count the number of delays and diversions I have been involved with and have never responded with a comment like that and as overthere said you don't know what the circumstances the pax was in.
I suppose though that if you pay the amount that GD is willing to pay then you will get crew with the lack of skills that will make comments like these
Bolty has a valid point with the operating flights with our new sibling J* international.Unless they will not count transit time as part of TOD and if there is no limit on hours (which would not surprise me ) then for example on the HNL flight the CC will have to have more than 24 hours slip unless they can operate straight back to OZ and other ports until the schedule is daily.I doubt QF would set aside valuable y/c seats for paxing crew so in Thailand and other ports at least for the first 6 or 12 months or so the slips should be good.The company as well will be pointing this out to all to show how good the crew have it....My advice for the crew is to use that time well while it lasts because if there is any certainty in this world this will not last
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Point taken guys, but bare in mind they had been liasing with ground staff and as crew i had no extra information for them, let alone being cornered for answers.
The fact he was arrested for the incident was more my point that he would not be flying on that aircraft or our airline. The crew had signed on at 0530, and when this happened it was 1530.
Everyone was tired and no one deserved the delay of 27 hours but the cabin crew have no control over these things, it was school holidays and QF wouldnt offload any pax onto other airlines or the 2 other flights. Dissappointing. Yes it could have been handled better - but 6 arrsests were made that afternoon, everyone was tired. There is more than my comment to this saga but if i went into it more i dont think id stop typing. A chain of events led to my antagonistic comment and you cant teach anyone to protect their personal space to a textbook way, i was cornered and i reacted.
The fact he was arrested for the incident was more my point that he would not be flying on that aircraft or our airline. The crew had signed on at 0530, and when this happened it was 1530.
Everyone was tired and no one deserved the delay of 27 hours but the cabin crew have no control over these things, it was school holidays and QF wouldnt offload any pax onto other airlines or the 2 other flights. Dissappointing. Yes it could have been handled better - but 6 arrsests were made that afternoon, everyone was tired. There is more than my comment to this saga but if i went into it more i dont think id stop typing. A chain of events led to my antagonistic comment and you cant teach anyone to protect their personal space to a textbook way, i was cornered and i reacted.