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whatever r3please says ... I can tell you from first hand.
His reasoning on the day for leaving the trip half way through ( and thats why he was fired) was that he was meeting his partner for a holiday, the disruption from the trip was due to the strike at LHR (which all crew had to put up with, regardless of their plans !!). It is odd that now he is saying he had a 'sick' partner, when he plainly told those on the trip he was upset as he was meeting his boyfriend for a holiday.
No, he was not a pleasure to work with.
If any crew member left a trip without permission, in any base, they would be fired. Regardless of the changed duty, or the reason for leaving.
If at the time, he had said he had a seriously ill friend/ family member, they would have let him leave the trip. But that was not his reason at the time. He deserves what he got. If we all decided to leave a trip just cos it gets disrupted, then where would the airline be?
Oh and yes I am LHR based, and no I aint a fan of the base (read my past posts as to why I came here). But this tool deserved to get the boot.
Oh and stop whinging, the contract always stated that if you left before your contract you had to payback the relocation allowance.
And no, the GM in UK doesnt fire people just cos he doesnt like them, he only fires them when they do monumental f*ck ups like you did
His reasoning on the day for leaving the trip half way through ( and thats why he was fired) was that he was meeting his partner for a holiday, the disruption from the trip was due to the strike at LHR (which all crew had to put up with, regardless of their plans !!). It is odd that now he is saying he had a 'sick' partner, when he plainly told those on the trip he was upset as he was meeting his boyfriend for a holiday.
No, he was not a pleasure to work with.
If any crew member left a trip without permission, in any base, they would be fired. Regardless of the changed duty, or the reason for leaving.
If at the time, he had said he had a seriously ill friend/ family member, they would have let him leave the trip. But that was not his reason at the time. He deserves what he got. If we all decided to leave a trip just cos it gets disrupted, then where would the airline be?
Oh and yes I am LHR based, and no I aint a fan of the base (read my past posts as to why I came here). But this tool deserved to get the boot.
Oh and stop whinging, the contract always stated that if you left before your contract you had to payback the relocation allowance.
And no, the GM in UK doesnt fire people just cos he doesnt like them, he only fires them when they do monumental f*ck ups like you did
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as i said a while ago
Qantas may dump Australian Airlines
Author: James Hall
Publication: Australian Financial Review (46,Fri 27 Jan 2006)
Edition: First
Section: Companies and Markets
Keywords: Qantas (15),Australian (13),Airlines (13)
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Qantas Airways is expected to announce plans to ditch loss-making international leisure carrier Australian Airlines later this year as it prepares to begin flying low-cost offshoot Jetstar on international routes in early 2007.
It's understood the plans involve keeping Australian Airlines' operations but absorbing them into either Qantas's or Jetstar's international operations and ultimately killing the Australian Airlines brand.
The announcement might come when Qantas reveals the first routes to be flown by Jetstar in May, but it is believed to be waiting for a clearer picture of the impact of the federal government's industrial relations overhaul before making a decision.
The difficulty under existing industrial relations legislation is that workers in one enterprise-bargaining agreement cannot easily be absorbed into a company with another, higher-paying EBA. This is expected to change when the Workplace Relations Amendment (Work Choices) Act comes into force later this year.
Qantas - already courting controversy with plans to move 3000 maintenance jobs offshore, also dependent on the Work Choices changes - is seeking to cut $3 billion in costs by 2008 as it battles intense competition and high fuel prices.
It is understood that flying three international carriers, Qantas, Jetstar and Australian Airlines, is a luxury the flagship carrier cannot afford.
Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg said the airline had several options in terms of the future of Australian Airlines.
"The company is continuing to work on those options and considering how Australian Airlines' operations will continue," Mr Gregg said.
Absorbed into Qantas before the airline's 1996 float, Australian Airlines, like Qantas, was formally owned by the government, but was originally a domestic carrier.
Qantas relaunched it in 2002 as a full-service, single-class carrier flying to destinations in the Asia-Pacific region, including Japan, Hong Kong, Phuket in Thailand, Singapore and Bali.
However, it has now been superseded by the lower-cost Jetstar International. It has been losing both money and patronage, and has suspended some routes.
As both Qantas and Jetstar have reported improvements in passenger numbers and revenue measurements, Australian Airlines' performance has declined, making it the worst performing of the six brands in the Qantas group.
For the 2005-06 financial year to date, Australian Airlines' passenger numbers have fallen 3.6 per cent to 347,000 from 360,000 in 2004-05.
Revenue per passenger kilometre has slumped 8.7 per cent to $1.58 million from $1.73 million and the crucial "revenue seat factor" - which gauges how revenue-efficient each seat on a flight is - has fallen 4.8 percentage points from 73.3 per cent to 68.5 per cent.
In financial year 2004-05, Australian Airlines lost $11.6 million before interest and tax, compared with a $1.1 million profit in 2003-04.
Qantas's decision in December to pay $24 million for 65 new Boeing aircraft, the first of which will be used in Jetstar's international expansion, tellingly omitted any orders of new aeroplanes for Australian Airlines.
KEY POINTS
* Qantas is believed to be awaiting industrial relations changes before cutting Australian Airlines loose.
* Qantas is waiting for 65 new Boeing aircraft for itself and Jetstar, but none are earmarked for AA.
Headline: Qantas may dump Australian Airlines
Author: James Hall
Edition: First
Section: Companies and Markets
the guys from AO should have a pre fit of J* uniform
Author: James Hall
Publication: Australian Financial Review (46,Fri 27 Jan 2006)
Edition: First
Section: Companies and Markets
Keywords: Qantas (15),Australian (13),Airlines (13)
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Qantas Airways is expected to announce plans to ditch loss-making international leisure carrier Australian Airlines later this year as it prepares to begin flying low-cost offshoot Jetstar on international routes in early 2007.
It's understood the plans involve keeping Australian Airlines' operations but absorbing them into either Qantas's or Jetstar's international operations and ultimately killing the Australian Airlines brand.
The announcement might come when Qantas reveals the first routes to be flown by Jetstar in May, but it is believed to be waiting for a clearer picture of the impact of the federal government's industrial relations overhaul before making a decision.
The difficulty under existing industrial relations legislation is that workers in one enterprise-bargaining agreement cannot easily be absorbed into a company with another, higher-paying EBA. This is expected to change when the Workplace Relations Amendment (Work Choices) Act comes into force later this year.
Qantas - already courting controversy with plans to move 3000 maintenance jobs offshore, also dependent on the Work Choices changes - is seeking to cut $3 billion in costs by 2008 as it battles intense competition and high fuel prices.
It is understood that flying three international carriers, Qantas, Jetstar and Australian Airlines, is a luxury the flagship carrier cannot afford.
Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg said the airline had several options in terms of the future of Australian Airlines.
"The company is continuing to work on those options and considering how Australian Airlines' operations will continue," Mr Gregg said.
Absorbed into Qantas before the airline's 1996 float, Australian Airlines, like Qantas, was formally owned by the government, but was originally a domestic carrier.
Qantas relaunched it in 2002 as a full-service, single-class carrier flying to destinations in the Asia-Pacific region, including Japan, Hong Kong, Phuket in Thailand, Singapore and Bali.
However, it has now been superseded by the lower-cost Jetstar International. It has been losing both money and patronage, and has suspended some routes.
As both Qantas and Jetstar have reported improvements in passenger numbers and revenue measurements, Australian Airlines' performance has declined, making it the worst performing of the six brands in the Qantas group.
For the 2005-06 financial year to date, Australian Airlines' passenger numbers have fallen 3.6 per cent to 347,000 from 360,000 in 2004-05.
Revenue per passenger kilometre has slumped 8.7 per cent to $1.58 million from $1.73 million and the crucial "revenue seat factor" - which gauges how revenue-efficient each seat on a flight is - has fallen 4.8 percentage points from 73.3 per cent to 68.5 per cent.
In financial year 2004-05, Australian Airlines lost $11.6 million before interest and tax, compared with a $1.1 million profit in 2003-04.
Qantas's decision in December to pay $24 million for 65 new Boeing aircraft, the first of which will be used in Jetstar's international expansion, tellingly omitted any orders of new aeroplanes for Australian Airlines.
KEY POINTS
* Qantas is believed to be awaiting industrial relations changes before cutting Australian Airlines loose.
* Qantas is waiting for 65 new Boeing aircraft for itself and Jetstar, but none are earmarked for AA.
Headline: Qantas may dump Australian Airlines
Author: James Hall
Edition: First
Section: Companies and Markets
the guys from AO should have a pre fit of J* uniform
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"he guys from AO should have a pre fit of J* uniform"
At the same time they should also prepare themselves for a cut in pay and conditions.
"Transfer of business" will be quite legal under Howards new anti employee laws even with a reduction in the terms and conditions of employment.
After all, this IS the type of thing that the Australian voter wants.........................
"he guys from AO should have a pre fit of J* uniform"
At the same time they should also prepare themselves for a cut in pay and conditions.
"Transfer of business" will be quite legal under Howards new anti employee laws even with a reduction in the terms and conditions of employment.
After all, this IS the type of thing that the Australian voter wants.........................
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Whatever Cart_elevator. Of course you know all about my partner being sick don't you? You know I spoke with AMICUS on the day and informed
them my partner was sick?
Have you seen the medical certificates I provided to Qantas?
And I suggest you read up on European laws discriminating against the GLBT community and also the Employee rights act 1999 on taking time off to care for dependants.
Qantas breached all of them and it ain't over yet.
So you don't have to look it up-
'The right enables employees to take action which is necessary
to deal with an unexpected or sudden problem concerning a
dependant and make any necessary longer term arrangements.
The illness need not necessarily be life-threatening, and may be mental or physical.
Employees are protected from being penalised or dismissed
because they have taken, or have sought to take, time off under
this right. For example, someone who is moved to lower grade
work because they have exercised this right would be able to
make a complaint that they have suffered a detriment.
It is unfair to be dismissed or selected for redundancy for
taking, or seeking to take, time off under this right.
An employer should not take operational or business requirements into consideration.
There is no statutory requirement for the employee to produce evidence, either of the actual incident or their relationship to a dependant.'
them my partner was sick?
Have you seen the medical certificates I provided to Qantas?
And I suggest you read up on European laws discriminating against the GLBT community and also the Employee rights act 1999 on taking time off to care for dependants.
Qantas breached all of them and it ain't over yet.
So you don't have to look it up-
'The right enables employees to take action which is necessary
to deal with an unexpected or sudden problem concerning a
dependant and make any necessary longer term arrangements.
The illness need not necessarily be life-threatening, and may be mental or physical.
Employees are protected from being penalised or dismissed
because they have taken, or have sought to take, time off under
this right. For example, someone who is moved to lower grade
work because they have exercised this right would be able to
make a complaint that they have suffered a detriment.
It is unfair to be dismissed or selected for redundancy for
taking, or seeking to take, time off under this right.
An employer should not take operational or business requirements into consideration.
There is no statutory requirement for the employee to produce evidence, either of the actual incident or their relationship to a dependant.'
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This thread is not a suitable venue for a discussion of the circumstances around these disciplinary events - especially as there appears to be no way of proving or disproving the case: Just one person's word against another.
Can we move on now, pretty please
Can we move on now, pretty please
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Oh and cart elevator I really hope you enjoy working under the terms and conditions of your JetStar contract when you go back to Oz 
QANTAS - The most UN Australian company around
QANTAS - The most UN Australian company around
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Speedbirdhouse,
I don't think that qf needs the new I.R laws to effectively screw Aust. airline employees. Could have and would have happened under the existing laws. And when jetstar international is bedded in and business class added just watch G.D screw the longhaulers as well . It is just plain morally wrong but business and, in particular airline business ,morality and ethics just do not exist. He doesn't have to change any existing awards or take on any unions -just merely reduce the amount of work available under existing awards and let natural attrition take it's course.
The saddest thing is that the general public won't give a damn .
I don't think that qf needs the new I.R laws to effectively screw Aust. airline employees. Could have and would have happened under the existing laws. And when jetstar international is bedded in and business class added just watch G.D screw the longhaulers as well . It is just plain morally wrong but business and, in particular airline business ,morality and ethics just do not exist. He doesn't have to change any existing awards or take on any unions -just merely reduce the amount of work available under existing awards and let natural attrition take it's course.
The saddest thing is that the general public won't give a damn .
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Qantas Airways is expected to announce plans to ditch loss-making international leisure carrier Australian Airlines later this year as it prepares to begin flying low-cost offshoot Jetstar on international routes in early 2007.
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when AO cabin crew transfer to J* int. , they will be ok. the real yardstick comes with seconded pilots from QF to AO. that should make an interesting period. what is qf doing with the surplus of pilots?
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Travel thickness,
not so.
Existing laws made it ILLEGAL for business to set up a secondary company [doing the same thing] alongside that of its parent offering lower wages and conditions THEN offering the parent company's employees two choices.
Move across for less or join the dole queue.
Howard's new anti employee laws make this perfectly legal providing it is done for "operational reasons".
These can be structural, economic, organizational and the like.
$5.60 USD or so an hour is the minimum wage in the USA.
Where do you think Howard is taking us...............?
We had ALL better get used to hearing the term, "the working poor" on this side of the Pacific.
After all.................it IS the brave new world that the Australian voter WANTS.
I believe the conservatives call it "work place flexibility".
Our backs become more "rubber like", as we are bent over before being shafted.
not so.
Existing laws made it ILLEGAL for business to set up a secondary company [doing the same thing] alongside that of its parent offering lower wages and conditions THEN offering the parent company's employees two choices.
Move across for less or join the dole queue.
Howard's new anti employee laws make this perfectly legal providing it is done for "operational reasons".
These can be structural, economic, organizational and the like.
$5.60 USD or so an hour is the minimum wage in the USA.
Where do you think Howard is taking us...............?
We had ALL better get used to hearing the term, "the working poor" on this side of the Pacific.
After all.................it IS the brave new world that the Australian voter WANTS.
I believe the conservatives call it "work place flexibility".
Our backs become more "rubber like", as we are bent over before being shafted.
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the devil in the detail.....
I was just speaking to a Per L/H f/a . It apears that if crew wish to continue live and work in Perth they are being forced over to S/H AS one CSS said to me - his hourly rate is dropping from $53 to $21 but hey its ok cause he can work another 30 hrs to make it up!
What is unbelievable is that they are being forced to sign contracts that have a clause in it stating that they are prepared to fly for a subsiduary airline??
IS THIS TRUE? AND IF SO WHY ISN'T THE FAAA INFORMING THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMPANY'S INTENTIONS ?? ITS IN WRITING!
TRansmission of Business is already in place -just needs the new uniform fit.
What is unbelievable is that they are being forced to sign contracts that have a clause in it stating that they are prepared to fly for a subsiduary airline??
IS THIS TRUE? AND IF SO WHY ISN'T THE FAAA INFORMING THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMPANY'S INTENTIONS ?? ITS IN WRITING!
TRansmission of Business is already in place -just needs the new uniform fit.
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Lurker@R5 you should see the contract given to crew who have come up to LHR. Although it states 'At the end of LWOP you will be entitled to resume a position with Qantas in the same catagory and base' it then follows on to state 'Qantas reserves the right to amend or WITHDRAW these conditions'.
So the promises in the contract aren't worth the paper they are written on.
So the promises in the contract aren't worth the paper they are written on.
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faaa fiddles while perth burns
if someone actually has a copy of the perth L/H to S/H contract with the clause allowing the company to move them over to a subsiduary company -could they please post it here . I presume the faaa reps looked over the document ???- why wasn't the company's intentions broadcast to the membership - as usual we will be informed AFTER the fact when Perth crew are simply handed the new Jetstar uniform at sign on and told "wear this today. Oh yes and by the way, your salary and conditions have been reduced by 30% - have a great flight !"
The company appears to have a Machiavellian long term plan for L/H fas whilst the faaa's future plans extend three minutes ahead - and usually involves only reacting violently to pprune postings.
The company appears to have a Machiavellian long term plan for L/H fas whilst the faaa's future plans extend three minutes ahead - and usually involves only reacting violently to pprune postings.
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Flight attendants in the perth base were offered a number of options.
1. Transfer to other long haul bases
2. Transfer to short haul including perth
3. If CSM's transfer to Short Haul in Category
4. A redundancy in accordance with the LOng Haul EBA
The first i have heard of a clause as mentioned here was here when i read it 10 mins ago. Given that a member of the FAAA Exec and Secretary of the FAAA in perth has taken the option to transfer to Short Haul i cant imagine that he didnt do so without full industrial and legal advice.
I too would like to see the "contract" if its different to anything that LH/SH crew have ever had to sign before
1. Transfer to other long haul bases
2. Transfer to short haul including perth
3. If CSM's transfer to Short Haul in Category
4. A redundancy in accordance with the LOng Haul EBA
The first i have heard of a clause as mentioned here was here when i read it 10 mins ago. Given that a member of the FAAA Exec and Secretary of the FAAA in perth has taken the option to transfer to Short Haul i cant imagine that he didnt do so without full industrial and legal advice.
I too would like to see the "contract" if its different to anything that LH/SH crew have ever had to sign before
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Qantas casual positions
Hi boys and girls.
I am interested in a position with Qantas specifically as a casual only. Can i get some info on what they look for in the interview process.
Pay rates? Is it enough to survive? or should I keep a second job active...or can i budget for the off peak seasons?
Availability? How many days do i HAVE to work?
What bases they are looking at recruiting for? I want to be based in Brisbane!
thanks everyone any advice would be fantastic!
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I am interested in a position with Qantas specifically as a casual only. Can i get some info on what they look for in the interview process.
Pay rates? Is it enough to survive? or should I keep a second job active...or can i budget for the off peak seasons?
Availability? How many days do i HAVE to work?
What bases they are looking at recruiting for? I want to be based in Brisbane!
thanks everyone any advice would be fantastic!
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A L/H crew member based in perth or should I say almost ex L/H perth based crew member told me she was given 3 options..
1: Transfer to S/H but she didn't say under what pay and conditions but I suppose it would have to be existing S/H award.
2:Transfer to melbourne...she had originally moved over from sydney and all friends and family are in sydney..
3:CR
The company advertises for crew to move to per or where ever to save money for the company but when they decide to shut it down ,that loyalty and previous service mean nothing..
Why on earth would anyone even consider applying for a base when if it does not work out for the company they can do basically anything with you
The clause I was interested in with the LHR base was the one that said "do you agree that the company with short notice can make legal changes to your rostering"
WTF....Legal in what country????? and what changes??? This leaves the company with almost a blank document to use and with your signature at the bottom of the page...
1: Transfer to S/H but she didn't say under what pay and conditions but I suppose it would have to be existing S/H award.
2:Transfer to melbourne...she had originally moved over from sydney and all friends and family are in sydney..
3:CR
The company advertises for crew to move to per or where ever to save money for the company but when they decide to shut it down ,that loyalty and previous service mean nothing..
Why on earth would anyone even consider applying for a base when if it does not work out for the company they can do basically anything with you
The clause I was interested in with the LHR base was the one that said "do you agree that the company with short notice can make legal changes to your rostering"
WTF....Legal in what country????? and what changes??? This leaves the company with almost a blank document to use and with your signature at the bottom of the page...
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Lowerlobe its depends on which countries law best suits the country. i.e. Cap370 prevents crew flying more that 900hrs per year, when that was raised by AMICUS (UK union) they were told Qantas is an Australian company so they don't work under that rule. Maternity time off is based on the Australian law because it gives woman less rights than the European laws but when it comes to service time, as in my case, they suddenly want to use European laws against you.
Time for 'A Current Affair' or similiar to take these issues up in my opinion.
Time for 'A Current Affair' or similiar to take these issues up in my opinion.
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since you pay tax in the uk and work for a uk subsidery you are under legal contract by uk -european law. when you work on an australian registered aircraft (as soon as the front door closes) you are under australian civil aviation regulation and its relevant laws. cap 370 is applicable as you are under uk contract. amicus should to be more informed (and i am sure they have legal reps) to counter such claims. its not time for a current affair its time you get some reps who know what they are doing
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Being casual is great. I am Sydney base and generally get between 120-150 hrs per month, although I do hand in a blank roster so it is proberly easier for crewing to allocate me duties.
Qantas are currenly only hiring language speakers (chinese and japanese) but that could all change.
Money is good, generally clear between 1500-2200 a fornight depending on how many overnights I do.
We don't get staff travel but you can join travel clubs and get really cheap confirmed seats. I guess Qantas want hard-working, customer focused people who are well groomed, same as any other airline. Working for MAM you have to be very flexible aswell, you can only see your duties 7 days out, and even the then they can change. But the good thing is that you only have to work 12 days a month if you want. So if you are studying or want to go on a holiday there's no worries! GOOD LUCK!
Qantas are currenly only hiring language speakers (chinese and japanese) but that could all change.
Money is good, generally clear between 1500-2200 a fornight depending on how many overnights I do.
We don't get staff travel but you can join travel clubs and get really cheap confirmed seats. I guess Qantas want hard-working, customer focused people who are well groomed, same as any other airline. Working for MAM you have to be very flexible aswell, you can only see your duties 7 days out, and even the then they can change. But the good thing is that you only have to work 12 days a month if you want. So if you are studying or want to go on a holiday there's no worries! GOOD LUCK!