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Mulder clearly you are a generous non-conceited, non patronising kind of bloke. Lucky for you, there is a fantastic system in place for people like you, - its called seniority. If you dont like those 10 day trips, bid for something else. Let some of the 10% of people who see a 10 day trip to JFK desirable bid for it. That way, it makes you happy, because you dont like 10 day trips, and it makes the 10% happy, because JFK probably doesnt filter down to junior ranks very often.
That way you can bid for high density overtime trips, and spend more time at home counting your $$. Whilst their you could also try to assess your own arrogance level, and the wonderful name you appear to be giving QF techies.
That way you can bid for high density overtime trips, and spend more time at home counting your $$. Whilst their you could also try to assess your own arrogance level, and the wonderful name you appear to be giving QF techies.
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Mulder,
Could not agree more re JFK ( and it doesn't affect me ).
Total stuff up by the Association. Standing on your digs is one thing but doing it just for the sake of it and as a result leading to a worse outcome for the troops is another.
Company 1, AIPA 0, Pilots -1.
From my point of view, why would you want to go away for 9 days eg LHR trip, when you can do it in 7 for the same credited hours - ie 52 for Techies. Having said that if you want extra days in port, then you can bid for that also - its called variety and hopefully that will remain in our bidding system for some time to come. That's why there are 39 hours slips in LHR all the way through to 75.
Could not agree more re JFK ( and it doesn't affect me ).
Total stuff up by the Association. Standing on your digs is one thing but doing it just for the sake of it and as a result leading to a worse outcome for the troops is another.
Company 1, AIPA 0, Pilots -1.
From my point of view, why would you want to go away for 9 days eg LHR trip, when you can do it in 7 for the same credited hours - ie 52 for Techies. Having said that if you want extra days in port, then you can bid for that also - its called variety and hopefully that will remain in our bidding system for some time to come. That's why there are 39 hours slips in LHR all the way through to 75.
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Another one that lacks any substance.
Loo, weren't you trying to beat up a maintenance allegation against pilots on another thread.
If I am arrogant because I tend to take a different view to you on most issues, then what are you?
This AIPA induced change to JFK patterns will mean that people like me will have to do this crap. Why? Because of seniority. Or lack thereof.
More low density flying. Thanks Mr. Ed, Messiah and Rat Face.
Loo, weren't you trying to beat up a maintenance allegation against pilots on another thread.
If I am arrogant because I tend to take a different view to you on most issues, then what are you?
This AIPA induced change to JFK patterns will mean that people like me will have to do this crap. Why? Because of seniority. Or lack thereof.
More low density flying. Thanks Mr. Ed, Messiah and Rat Face.
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Mulder, you ever heard about the only soldier marching in time, yet the rest of the platoon is marching out of time?
Calling someones comments as lacking in substance says more about you than anyone else. How many times have you said it now ?
Calling someones comments as lacking in substance says more about you than anyone else. How many times have you said it now ?
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Mulder…I admit this is fun especially with someone who considers themselves smart although your debating style is unorthodox to say the least.
While your looking inward and whining about one extra day you won’t notice when the company has snookered you with J* international.
The company is using the one of the oldest tricks in the book here and you have fallen for it with much gusto.
The point I was trying to make to you is that there are more concerns with our jobs and futures than a few patterns but my time is wasted with you so I won’t waste anymore .
FUNBAGS…Funny that you are supporting Mulder when it was you who said it is interesting what you can get from the company when you push them…..
Techies may want to sit up there staring at the dials while the clock is ticking away and the overtime racking up but we are thinking about the long term effects of flying and have no wish to fly for umpteen hours . Then again we are not sitting on our bums for 14 or more hours either.
No wonder the techies look so lost when they go to the crew rest…maybe they should put some dials and switches in there or maybe a flight sim game to play with..
I had heard that the techies were trialling a 7 day LHR but until now thought it a joke. Listening to you two as they say on the X files Mulder ……the truth is out there
While your looking inward and whining about one extra day you won’t notice when the company has snookered you with J* international.
The company is using the one of the oldest tricks in the book here and you have fallen for it with much gusto.
The point I was trying to make to you is that there are more concerns with our jobs and futures than a few patterns but my time is wasted with you so I won’t waste anymore .
FUNBAGS…Funny that you are supporting Mulder when it was you who said it is interesting what you can get from the company when you push them…..
Techies may want to sit up there staring at the dials while the clock is ticking away and the overtime racking up but we are thinking about the long term effects of flying and have no wish to fly for umpteen hours . Then again we are not sitting on our bums for 14 or more hours either.
No wonder the techies look so lost when they go to the crew rest…maybe they should put some dials and switches in there or maybe a flight sim game to play with..
I had heard that the techies were trialling a 7 day LHR but until now thought it a joke. Listening to you two as they say on the X files Mulder ……the truth is out there
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Are you balanced?
Is your chip on both shoulders, or just one?
You really don't like Pilots do you?
By doing higher density flying, there are opportunities to become more productive.
I don't think any Pilot is not aware of the industry we operate in and its challenges. Except maybe Mr. Ed, Messiah and Rat Face of the AIPA.
You think I want to stick my head in the sand, the truth is quite the opposite.
(How was the drive home? No more Ppruning at work. Focus on becoming more productive?)
Is your chip on both shoulders, or just one?
You really don't like Pilots do you?
By doing higher density flying, there are opportunities to become more productive.
I don't think any Pilot is not aware of the industry we operate in and its challenges. Except maybe Mr. Ed, Messiah and Rat Face of the AIPA.
You think I want to stick my head in the sand, the truth is quite the opposite.
(How was the drive home? No more Ppruning at work. Focus on becoming more productive?)
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LHR base DON'T leave Australia guys
Australian based crew will be aware that QF are currently requesting Australian based crew move up to the London base. I've heard a 'rumour' that Geoff Dixon does not want all European crews and so they need more Australia's to come up here.
PLEASE DON'T DO IT because:
You have NO recourse if you are terminated by Qantas UK. The base manager is running his own show and is terminating people as he feels fit. In the process he is contravening many European employment laws but nothing can be done until you have been at the base for 12 months.
So think very carefully before you take the base
PLEASE DON'T DO IT because:
You have NO recourse if you are terminated by Qantas UK. The base manager is running his own show and is terminating people as he feels fit. In the process he is contravening many European employment laws but nothing can be done until you have been at the base for 12 months.
So think very carefully before you take the base
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R3P...........Left right out !!!!!!!
There is ALWAYS two sides to every story and let me tell you this rant by R3P is FULL of holes..... after speaking to a "colleague" in the LHR base appears R3P has been skating on thin ice since day #1, in fact people were baffled that he was given the guernsey in the first place ( on merit ) as he has/had an atrocious record flying out of SYD L/H.............oh how silly of me thats right they needed as many Aussiee crew as possible at start up !!!!!!
As some would know , I'm not a strong advocate for the LHR base.........BUT.......my sister just flew up to LHR on a commercial ticket. She said the LHR crew were ( take a breath) FANTASTIC !!!!!!!
She spoke to quite a few in the back galley and contrary to R3P's opinion-love the base, love the flying etc etc.
So R3 " do the crime -do the time".
WHAT YOU SHALL SOW.......YOU SHALL REAP.
Maybe , there is a job for you down at Fleet St writing for the Sun newspaper-they may buy your story and place it on page 3 after the bare breasted number on page 2 !!!!!!
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As some would know , I'm not a strong advocate for the LHR base.........BUT.......my sister just flew up to LHR on a commercial ticket. She said the LHR crew were ( take a breath) FANTASTIC !!!!!!!
She spoke to quite a few in the back galley and contrary to R3P's opinion-love the base, love the flying etc etc.
So R3 " do the crime -do the time".
WHAT YOU SHALL SOW.......YOU SHALL REAP.
Maybe , there is a job for you down at Fleet St writing for the Sun newspaper-they may buy your story and place it on page 3 after the bare breasted number on page 2 !!!!!!
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yes and from what i understand R3 was also a very vocal critic of the London base and resigned from the FAAA on principle. Then the hyprocite took the basing in london and at the first sign of trouble rejoined to try to save his job in Australia.
Now this is despite the FAAA clearly warning crew of the contract you sign going up meaning that if you lose your job up there you may lose your job in OZ.
There are many sides to this saga not just this one. crew are well aware of this incident as the perp has been telling all hence the story gets back here.
I havent confirmed with my sources at the FAAA whther this is entirely accurate as they are on leave atm but rest assured the source that provided this tidbit from the london base swears its correct
Now this is despite the FAAA clearly warning crew of the contract you sign going up meaning that if you lose your job up there you may lose your job in OZ.
There are many sides to this saga not just this one. crew are well aware of this incident as the perp has been telling all hence the story gets back here.
I havent confirmed with my sources at the FAAA whther this is entirely accurate as they are on leave atm but rest assured the source that provided this tidbit from the london base swears its correct
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WWW - My flying record out of Sydney was exemplary in fact this was taken into account during the investigation into me leaving the trip. I have at least 20 letters on my file from customer and CSM's commenting on my on board service. Every TPR has met 'exceeds' or 'role model' so my service cannot be questioned. My sector reviews out of LHR have also been exceptional so whatever you have heard is BS.
Yes I was vocal about the base, as were hundreds of other crew. I believe we have freedom of speech in Australia and I have every right to voice my opinion.
Pegasus, my reason to come up to the base was purely personal my mum had cancer and passed away in October. So don't call me an hypocrite for being more concerned about spending time with my mum in London than Qantas.
If any one has been hypocritical it has been the FAAA. Standing up at the rowers club and deliverying a vitriolic attack on the base then a few weeks later advising all that the LHR is fine because we now have a cap in place.
Indeed some crew are loving the base but the should be made aware that if they lose their job at the base they HAVE NO LEGAL RECOURSE what so ever to claim against Qantas UK until they have been at the base for 12 months.
I have had AMICUS (the UK union) and their lawyers working on my case for the past 6 months. My claim for unfair dismissal is watertight and under the provision of the european employment act a tribunal would order immediate reinstatement. But Qantas now claim I haven't worked for them for more than a year so my case won't go to tribunal. This could happen to anyone at the base including the lovely crew member who has been with the company 40+ years. In the eyes of Qantas UK she has been with the company for less than a year so could sack her on the spot and she couldn't do a thing.
Other crew are in a similiar situation to me and can do nothing due to not having 12 months service in the UK.
As I said before if you have any questions PM me before sprouting crap on the forum about a case you know nothing about apart from galley gossip and Chinese wispers.
And by the way WWW Qantas wanted me to sign a waiver, waiving my right to any legal recourse back in Australia and preventing me from taking the matter to the press. One other sacked crew member decided to do as such last May and was given a nice little package from the LHR base manager in order to cover up his incompetence.
Yes I was vocal about the base, as were hundreds of other crew. I believe we have freedom of speech in Australia and I have every right to voice my opinion.
Pegasus, my reason to come up to the base was purely personal my mum had cancer and passed away in October. So don't call me an hypocrite for being more concerned about spending time with my mum in London than Qantas.
If any one has been hypocritical it has been the FAAA. Standing up at the rowers club and deliverying a vitriolic attack on the base then a few weeks later advising all that the LHR is fine because we now have a cap in place.
Indeed some crew are loving the base but the should be made aware that if they lose their job at the base they HAVE NO LEGAL RECOURSE what so ever to claim against Qantas UK until they have been at the base for 12 months.
I have had AMICUS (the UK union) and their lawyers working on my case for the past 6 months. My claim for unfair dismissal is watertight and under the provision of the european employment act a tribunal would order immediate reinstatement. But Qantas now claim I haven't worked for them for more than a year so my case won't go to tribunal. This could happen to anyone at the base including the lovely crew member who has been with the company 40+ years. In the eyes of Qantas UK she has been with the company for less than a year so could sack her on the spot and she couldn't do a thing.
Other crew are in a similiar situation to me and can do nothing due to not having 12 months service in the UK.
As I said before if you have any questions PM me before sprouting crap on the forum about a case you know nothing about apart from galley gossip and Chinese wispers.
And by the way WWW Qantas wanted me to sign a waiver, waiving my right to any legal recourse back in Australia and preventing me from taking the matter to the press. One other sacked crew member decided to do as such last May and was given a nice little package from the LHR base manager in order to cover up his incompetence.
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I have edited r3please's posts to remove the name of an individual who has not, as far as I am aware, given permission for his name to be freely used on PPRuNe.
r3please - be very careful as to what you post on here. Our primary task as mods will always be to protect PPRuNe: If we feel that your comments might leave us vulnerable to lawsuit, we will not hesitate to remove them.
lowerlobe - I had already realised that you dislike your Government, your Union, your shorthaul colleagues, your managers, your directors, your Thai colleagues, and your LHR colleagues - the only people left beyond your immediate circle of friends and family were your pilots. It now appears that you dislike them also? That's an awful lot of people to dislike all at once, and it must be very frustrating knowing that they are All wrong? We live in difficult times...
r3please - be very careful as to what you post on here. Our primary task as mods will always be to protect PPRuNe: If we feel that your comments might leave us vulnerable to lawsuit, we will not hesitate to remove them.
lowerlobe - I had already realised that you dislike your Government, your Union, your shorthaul colleagues, your managers, your directors, your Thai colleagues, and your LHR colleagues - the only people left beyond your immediate circle of friends and family were your pilots. It now appears that you dislike them also? That's an awful lot of people to dislike all at once, and it must be very frustrating knowing that they are All wrong? We live in difficult times...
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Sorry to hear about r3please
R3please is a nice guy and a good f/a, just a bad situation I know he would rethink if given a second chance and would never make that call again.
I'll miss him and wish him the best.
I have to say that the captain involved and Aus management in the second guy's sacking yesterday was the contributing factor as it's all over the pilot network and my friend in Aus last wek told me the the report went to the highest level back home.
He once again was a great person but made a very bad call that others in Aus have been sacked for less.
There has been a Brit sacked but that was a police issue and completly out of QF hands.
Away from sad issues I'am enjoying my time here and look forward to the 3rd year. Most crew have settled and enjoying life.
I'll miss him and wish him the best.
I have to say that the captain involved and Aus management in the second guy's sacking yesterday was the contributing factor as it's all over the pilot network and my friend in Aus last wek told me the the report went to the highest level back home.
He once again was a great person but made a very bad call that others in Aus have been sacked for less.
There has been a Brit sacked but that was a police issue and completly out of QF hands.
Away from sad issues I'am enjoying my time here and look forward to the 3rd year. Most crew have settled and enjoying life.
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R3
I don't know who you are R3, and I don't know your circumstances however I was saddened to read your post but thanks for en lighting us.
Please PM me with any details that you cannot post here. I find the whole saga incredible.
If its any consolation our "visitors" here are just as ruthless, especially the Kiwi sociopath!
Please PM me with any details that you cannot post here. I find the whole saga incredible.
If its any consolation our "visitors" here are just as ruthless, especially the Kiwi sociopath!
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can someone shed light on the latest ifo i got is that the VDD has underpaid every cabin crew member in the "bad adventure" hotel by U$ 11.00 a day. it is alleged he owns cc more then U$ 1 million in unpaid allowances. wouldn't that look good on your kpi's.
start digging guys this case seems to have merit.
start digging guys this case seems to have merit.
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My understanding is that the allowance review in November with the FAAA/AIPA and Qantas came to the conclusion that the Allowances in LA should go up .
Qantas Refused to pay the increase and AIPA and FAAA are currently in negotiations with Qantas and potentially taking the matter to court to have it resolved.
If the matter is resolved in our favour then pilots and flight attendants will be back paid to november
Qantas Refused to pay the increase and AIPA and FAAA are currently in negotiations with Qantas and potentially taking the matter to court to have it resolved.
If the matter is resolved in our favour then pilots and flight attendants will be back paid to november
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your post leads to the questions
1: Are there other slip ports allowances in question that the company has refused to increase
2:How are the negotiations going and why don't we just notify the courts of a argument right now
your post leads to the questions
1: Are there other slip ports allowances in question that the company has refused to increase
2:How are the negotiations going and why don't we just notify the courts of a argument right now
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lowelobe,
i think its all contained in an FAAA newsletter sent out in novemeber ....
secondly i think that court is always an uncertain outcome and very costly and the unions are working together i think on this issue to get the best outcome for crew.
I think also its a matter of appropriate jurisdiction too
i think its all contained in an FAAA newsletter sent out in novemeber ....
secondly i think that court is always an uncertain outcome and very costly and the unions are working together i think on this issue to get the best outcome for crew.
I think also its a matter of appropriate jurisdiction too
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Can you talk with your "contact" in the faaa and post here the actual grounds why the company refuses to increase the allownaces in these ports.
In the newsletter it talks of a few ports which the increase is in excess of the limit and what that actually means
the faaa newsletter is a little thin on details
Can you talk with your "contact" in the faaa and post here the actual grounds why the company refuses to increase the allownaces in these ports.
In the newsletter it talks of a few ports which the increase is in excess of the limit and what that actually means
the faaa newsletter is a little thin on details