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@SpainFly :
" Instead of ppl beeing happy not getting layed off in NetJets, they complain about not flying and beeing on standby
I know lots of people they would love to be on standby instead of doing hard work every day 
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The so-called numerous pilots who love to be on stby instead of hard working are not pilots for me. They have probably never known what being on stby all day long means. They are just simple workers who aren't passionate for flying. That's a shame because so many young people arund the world would pay a lot of money to fly, just to fly.
If you were a doctor, would you like not having any patients ? If you were a lawyer, would you like being unknow and out of work, even for a good salary ?
I think we are lucky to fly above the clouds, it's not a common job. Yes we need a good salary for what we do and for the responsabilities we have. But I can't understand pilots flying just for money. Flying is like a myth.
That's just my point of view anyway...
" Instead of ppl beeing happy not getting layed off in NetJets, they complain about not flying and beeing on standby
I know lots of people they would love to be on standby instead of doing hard work every day "The so-called numerous pilots who love to be on stby instead of hard working are not pilots for me. They have probably never known what being on stby all day long means. They are just simple workers who aren't passionate for flying. That's a shame because so many young people arund the world would pay a lot of money to fly, just to fly.
If you were a doctor, would you like not having any patients ? If you were a lawyer, would you like being unknow and out of work, even for a good salary ?
I think we are lucky to fly above the clouds, it's not a common job. Yes we need a good salary for what we do and for the responsabilities we have. But I can't understand pilots flying just for money. Flying is like a myth.
That's just my point of view anyway...
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I have to disagree with you fred...
Flying is a a great job and most are enviable of it, but it still just remains a job.
It doesnt have to be a passion for one to appreciate how lucky one is to have such a great job, one does not need to think, sleep, breath and talk about nothing other than flying to be professional and good at ones' job.
In actual fact, I think those who claim that flying is their 'passion' tend to be one dimensional and struggle to see the broader picture. (there is more to life than just flying and planes)
It is a true professional who remains positive and knowledgable when things slow down and a large amount of time is spent on stand by.
Flying is a a great job and most are enviable of it, but it still just remains a job.
It doesnt have to be a passion for one to appreciate how lucky one is to have such a great job, one does not need to think, sleep, breath and talk about nothing other than flying to be professional and good at ones' job.
In actual fact, I think those who claim that flying is their 'passion' tend to be one dimensional and struggle to see the broader picture. (there is more to life than just flying and planes)
It is a true professional who remains positive and knowledgable when things slow down and a large amount of time is spent on stand by.
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I see what you mean south coast. I agree on the fact that one can be very professional and efficient without being passionate. I'm not talking about performance.
I just wanted to say that "in my opinion", flying is NOT a common job. Pilots are generally passionate people and have generally chosen this job because they wanted it, and not because it was by chance. Having said that, a pilot who likes staying on the ground is, "to me", not a pilot in that meaning.
But I admit that my point of view may come from my previous job, fighter pilot. In this one, pilots had to be passionate, otherwise one couldn't accept all the constraints that come with the job.
I just wanted to say that "in my opinion", flying is NOT a common job. Pilots are generally passionate people and have generally chosen this job because they wanted it, and not because it was by chance. Having said that, a pilot who likes staying on the ground is, "to me", not a pilot in that meaning.
But I admit that my point of view may come from my previous job, fighter pilot. In this one, pilots had to be passionate, otherwise one couldn't accept all the constraints that come with the job.
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I agree with Fred about the passion thing when he says that it is a job we wanted and we are more dedicated to it than a common worker. You just see it when u compare it to cabin crews. Most of them are sick 10 days a year or more, we tend to be sick 2 or 3, not counting extreme situations of course. Because we are more dedicated to the job and generally more in love with our role in the whole operations than others.
That is what he meant i am sure. And in general i agree that being on stby so much that one fly 3 hours in a month it is kinda not the reason why he left the Arme De L aire i guess...he wanted to fly more!
Fred i am with you, talk to you soon
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That is what he meant i am sure. And in general i agree that being on stby so much that one fly 3 hours in a month it is kinda not the reason why he left the Arme De L aire i guess...he wanted to fly more!
Fred i am with you, talk to you soon
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Will they cancel the interviews as well?
Gentlemen, I have been reading this post on a regular basis.
I passed my telephone interview around June or July this year.
I received the "thanks but we're not doing interviews at the moment" mail.
Has anybody heard that they won't do any more interviews this year or beginning of next one?
I suppose that if they're cancelling the indocs for January and February they will must probably stop the recruitment at the moment
Thanks a lot once again and hope to see you there!
I passed my telephone interview around June or July this year.
I received the "thanks but we're not doing interviews at the moment" mail.
Has anybody heard that they won't do any more interviews this year or beginning of next one?
I suppose that if they're cancelling the indocs for January and February they will must probably stop the recruitment at the moment
Thanks a lot once again and hope to see you there!
PPRuNe Handmaiden
The latest info is that there are no interviews happening. Very few Indocs are planned.
I would keep an eye on the the website and update every couple of months. If you're working, keep the job, if you're not happy with it, keep an open mind to other operators out there. NJE isn't the only operator
I think (and it is my opinion only) that 2009 will be a challenging year for every one.
I would keep an eye on the the website and update every couple of months. If you're working, keep the job, if you're not happy with it, keep an open mind to other operators out there. NJE isn't the only operator
I think (and it is my opinion only) that 2009 will be a challenging year for every one.
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Redsnail,
Not really news, that was known back in June. NJE are not hiring this year and are delaying their deliveries significantly.
When I told you guys this back in June I got shot down by the hardcore NJE groupies on this forum.
NJE is NOT doing well, they are loosing customers at an alarming rate, they are haemorrhaging cash and are delaying as many orders as they can.
But still there are fools handing in their notices in the hope of a job with NJE.
In today's market if you have a job count your blessings and make sure you put some money aside for the uncertain future.
Sittin back now awaiting the inevitable abuse by the groupies and the phantom in-crowd.
Not really news, that was known back in June. NJE are not hiring this year and are delaying their deliveries significantly.
When I told you guys this back in June I got shot down by the hardcore NJE groupies on this forum.
NJE is NOT doing well, they are loosing customers at an alarming rate, they are haemorrhaging cash and are delaying as many orders as they can.
But still there are fools handing in their notices in the hope of a job with NJE.
In today's market if you have a job count your blessings and make sure you put some money aside for the uncertain future.
Sittin back now awaiting the inevitable abuse by the groupies and the phantom in-crowd.
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Thanks for the advice
Well, thanks once again for the piece of mind.
Do you reckon is a good idea to send them periodically the fulfilled form updated, let's say once a month / every two months?
They told us on the mail not to call them to ask, so maybe they're not interested in us anymore, even though you can still download the form.
Happy landings!
Do you reckon is a good idea to send them periodically the fulfilled form updated, let's say once a month / every two months?
They told us on the mail not to call them to ask, so maybe they're not interested in us anymore, even though you can still download the form.
Happy landings!
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regarding pay scale for FO , the NJE idea was that it was not needed as Pilot will generally upgrade within 2 years...It was still a problem for the Cpt but as long as so many of them were new upgrade and happy with the new salary increased they didn t need to address it.
Instead, they cancel the pick season increase salary that was advertised with the new contract as volontary additionnal income ..it is now only base on extend day at 1000 euros/day when needed by NJE randomly for the one on tour. major differences!!
Instead, they cancel the pick season increase salary that was advertised with the new contract as volontary additionnal income ..it is now only base on extend day at 1000 euros/day when needed by NJE randomly for the one on tour. major differences!!
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hello falconbis,
You seem to fly the GV. Nice aircraft !
I agree with you for the payscale issue.
For information, in 15 months, I have never been called for any extended day... It looks like it is more the long range fleet which is concerned about it because they are most probably far away from gateway during tour and crew swap is not as easier as on the small fleets.
Another point. Since duty days decrease, we have less per diems (me, 8 in october, and probably 8 in november without any hollidays/training event). So far, less per diems, no more extra day, no extended day, any bonus ?! I guess not .... upgrade ? are you joking ?
I will be told : hey ! you are at home and paid !
I will answer : yes. But is it a comfortable situation ? Can it last a long time ? Is it good for a pilot not to fly ?
I would rather say NO. And I think we have to worry if it comes to last. Hopefully, NJ is a company with a strong financial background.
You seem to fly the GV. Nice aircraft !
I agree with you for the payscale issue.
For information, in 15 months, I have never been called for any extended day... It looks like it is more the long range fleet which is concerned about it because they are most probably far away from gateway during tour and crew swap is not as easier as on the small fleets.
Another point. Since duty days decrease, we have less per diems (me, 8 in october, and probably 8 in november without any hollidays/training event). So far, less per diems, no more extra day, no extended day, any bonus ?! I guess not .... upgrade ? are you joking ?
I will be told : hey ! you are at home and paid !
I will answer : yes. But is it a comfortable situation ? Can it last a long time ? Is it good for a pilot not to fly ?
I would rather say NO. And I think we have to worry if it comes to last. Hopefully, NJ is a company with a strong financial background.
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NJE haven't lost customers? Why don't you give Moody a ring and ask him how many shares he has for sale on his books.
I just love the NJE employees, they are so brain washed into believing that their company is the best. Guys take off your rosy coloured glasses and ask yourself if everything was so perfect at NJE why cancel indocs? Why cancel interviews? Why delay deliveries? Why allow so many companies to flog NJE shares?
What do you want 1/16th of a bravo or half a G5? You can get those in an hour. Want a delivery position for a NJ hawker or a Falcon? You can get those in 5 minutes.
Be realistic, NJE is not the perfect company there are better paying ones, with better T&C, better rosters and no mess with tax.
Most crew I know are happier and make double of what a NJE crew make, fly less and have a better life style.
Working for NJE is hard work, it pays a below market rate of pay, you work double the industry average and you work for the yanks!
To each his/her own, if you like being a small cog in a big lumpy wheel work for NJE, you don't have to think for your self just do what you are told put in your 5-6 days and be exhausted on your 3-4 off.
Or you could get a job in the real world of business aviation. Work 10-12 day in the busy season a month, do spend overnights in 5 star hotels, fly on average 1 sector in new aircraft a day followed by 1-3 days on the beach, shopping in NY, sightseeing in Peru or walking down the marina in Sardinia. Get paid what you are really worth, no questions asked and be appreciated and respected for what you do.
T&C and pay at NJE has been eroded by guys accepting lousy deals just to get a RHS. This reflects bad on the industry as a whole.
I am raising this because I don't want our industry to end up like the Loco's in the UK where you pay for your rating, accept lousy T&C's and are treated like a leper in the high street.
NJE shoud be a last resort for crew, you fly there because either you can not get a good job or the good jobs are just not available.
I have flown with and know dozens of ex NJE, some even admit that NJE is really good in their indoc, they make you believe that it is the best thing since sliced bread. All have woken up since and moved on.
I reiterate; this is not just a NJE bashing. Be careful out there, you may get sucked in to the Lisbon cult. But then flying at NJE beats sitting at home bored.
I just love the NJE employees, they are so brain washed into believing that their company is the best. Guys take off your rosy coloured glasses and ask yourself if everything was so perfect at NJE why cancel indocs? Why cancel interviews? Why delay deliveries? Why allow so many companies to flog NJE shares?
What do you want 1/16th of a bravo or half a G5? You can get those in an hour. Want a delivery position for a NJ hawker or a Falcon? You can get those in 5 minutes.
Be realistic, NJE is not the perfect company there are better paying ones, with better T&C, better rosters and no mess with tax.
Most crew I know are happier and make double of what a NJE crew make, fly less and have a better life style.
Working for NJE is hard work, it pays a below market rate of pay, you work double the industry average and you work for the yanks!
To each his/her own, if you like being a small cog in a big lumpy wheel work for NJE, you don't have to think for your self just do what you are told put in your 5-6 days and be exhausted on your 3-4 off.
Or you could get a job in the real world of business aviation. Work 10-12 day in the busy season a month, do spend overnights in 5 star hotels, fly on average 1 sector in new aircraft a day followed by 1-3 days on the beach, shopping in NY, sightseeing in Peru or walking down the marina in Sardinia. Get paid what you are really worth, no questions asked and be appreciated and respected for what you do.
T&C and pay at NJE has been eroded by guys accepting lousy deals just to get a RHS. This reflects bad on the industry as a whole.
I am raising this because I don't want our industry to end up like the Loco's in the UK where you pay for your rating, accept lousy T&C's and are treated like a leper in the high street.
NJE shoud be a last resort for crew, you fly there because either you can not get a good job or the good jobs are just not available.
I have flown with and know dozens of ex NJE, some even admit that NJE is really good in their indoc, they make you believe that it is the best thing since sliced bread. All have woken up since and moved on.
I reiterate; this is not just a NJE bashing. Be careful out there, you may get sucked in to the Lisbon cult. But then flying at NJE beats sitting at home bored.
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You just aknowledge what I said about the loosing customers.. for sale not sold and if sold is to some body else !! About your other comments: Yes and I am happy for you mate...but only on large cabin and it will depend a lot about the owner you are working for, it can be great or hell ... from small to midsize cabin sorry but show me where you can found a better contract !!
...and obviously "cldrvr" does not have all the information he needs to assess our (pilots) situation. We work standard 6 ON 5 OFF. If you decide to volunteer for extra days you may have a more thight schedule, but this is only for people volunteering. Without that you work a maximum of 178 days a year, probably less.
Although quite a few things at NJE need improvement, I am still happy where I am. Sure, I am one of the lucky guys who joined a few years ago and are now high up in seniority. But then again: at that time it was a risk to join NJE (a small company with an unclear future, money was worse etc.) but the courage paid for us. What I definetely appreciate is that we don't fly for one single owner. It can be great or it can be hell. If it is hell you have a problem and all the money does not help! And what if the owner sells the aircraft? No, I want to have stable conditions and a big company like NJE provides this.
Nuff said.
Although quite a few things at NJE need improvement, I am still happy where I am. Sure, I am one of the lucky guys who joined a few years ago and are now high up in seniority. But then again: at that time it was a risk to join NJE (a small company with an unclear future, money was worse etc.) but the courage paid for us. What I definetely appreciate is that we don't fly for one single owner. It can be great or it can be hell. If it is hell you have a problem and all the money does not help! And what if the owner sells the aircraft? No, I want to have stable conditions and a big company like NJE provides this.
Nuff said.
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I agree that Net Jets is being affected just like many other companies.
I also agree that 95000euros(75000 gbp) to fly a Bravo/hawker 400/ or even a hawker 800 is bloody good.
Its pretty bad pay though for a G5 Cpt. That said, 5 cpt have recently left and many more are looking. And the extra days are not available anymore.
Trying to treat everybody the same is a very nice but it only works if nobody is short changed. At the moment G5 crews clearly underpaid.
I also agree that 95000euros(75000 gbp) to fly a Bravo/hawker 400/ or even a hawker 800 is bloody good.
Its pretty bad pay though for a G5 Cpt. That said, 5 cpt have recently left and many more are looking. And the extra days are not available anymore.
Trying to treat everybody the same is a very nice but it only works if nobody is short changed. At the moment G5 crews clearly underpaid.
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Show me another place were you work a roster written in stone, and especially on a G5 6/5 and 7/6 might be hard to find.
Sure, if you are on your own, no kids no wife you might like 14 on 14 off.
I know a lot of pilots for which that kind of roster is a No Go !!
Sure, if you are on your own, no kids no wife you might like 14 on 14 off.
I know a lot of pilots for which that kind of roster is a No Go !!
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Remember....
A couple of pages ago I said what I had to say on Netjets possible future for new joiners in order to try and warn for over optimism....well it seems that everything that was denied then by the hardliners has now come to be reality...very sad to hear though and very unfortunate for those who let themselves dragged in to the company with false promesses....because even a few months agao it was clear to a lot of the insiders that things were changing
Let me tell you that I feel very sorry for all of you that have left their shinny jet for whatever reason, for a RS at Njetjets and are now stucked in there for.....well I think nobody actually nows, but everybody agrees it will be for quite some time... shame on those recruiters that did not tell you the thruth...
As for me I am done with the subject Netjets on this forum since nothing in regard to Netjets will ever change, so if you are at Netjets and like it stay there, if you want to join and you are happy to do so with the present conditions and after reading this forum and making your decision, please do, if (like me) you are not happy to join well stop reading this Netjets forum and enjoy life and flying and this is excatly what I am doing right now....
iacta alea est
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Let me tell you that I feel very sorry for all of you that have left their shinny jet for whatever reason, for a RS at Njetjets and are now stucked in there for.....well I think nobody actually nows, but everybody agrees it will be for quite some time... shame on those recruiters that did not tell you the thruth...
As for me I am done with the subject Netjets on this forum since nothing in regard to Netjets will ever change, so if you are at Netjets and like it stay there, if you want to join and you are happy to do so with the present conditions and after reading this forum and making your decision, please do, if (like me) you are not happy to join well stop reading this Netjets forum and enjoy life and flying and this is excatly what I am doing right now....
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If the recruiters could predict a major recession they would be millionaires!
Also what kind of people would you put on your interview panel? people who are unhappy and miserable with the company, or those that are positive? How exactly does the fact that things have slowed down for everyone make NJE such an evil place. If you join a company with 1000+ pilots, expecting to jump 500 other copilots for a command in a matter of months, then you are probably dissappointed. Show me any other aviation company this size where you can do that these days. People are not leaving shiny big jets to join NetJets from the majors... but they are leaving from smaller outfits that are probably no better or - shock - horror - possibly even worse. Nobody is forcing you to apply or join NJE. The vast majority that do choose to join NJE have done so with their eyes open, and are enjoying themselves. Yes, there is less flying at the moment, but we are still doing OK. Look around, airlines are folding everywhere. T and C are getting less attractive everywhere. XL, Alitalia, Austrian... Those are / were big operations, and they aren't doing so well at the moment. BA, for example, used to be the one of the best places to work, now they are working max hours, min rest, max utilisation...
There is a lot of NJE bashing, well, OK, but I have been in for a while, am in a good position, but am not blinkered. I know there is always room for improvement, and it is a slow process, but I have no plans to leave.
If you choose that NJE is not for you, thats fine, but just because it doesn't suit you personally does not make it bad. Salaries are paid on time, rosters are solid, and we are generally treated like adults.
Yes there are other operators out there flying less hours, for more money and rosy night stops, but they have their downsides too. Thats the same with the airlines. You are welcome to apply for them if you wish. They probably do not have that much hiring going on at the moment, and with low hours you are not going to get a command any quicker! If you have tons of relevant hours, and you are in the running for a direct entry command, congratulations and best of luck to you. I mean it, I am very pleased for you. For those joining NJE with lots of hours, expecting a quick command, why are you leaving your previous job? Mostly in my experience it is because the previous employer has gone bust or is awful or is flying turboprops in the third world...
Last time I checked we live in a free market. Nobody has to do anything that they don't want, and that includes working for NJE. The vast majority of us in NJE are enjoying the job. So mr B767, thanks for your application, and sorry we weren't what you wanted, but if you chose not to join should we all cry into our drinks and change to suit you? I think not. I am sure we will be OK without you. Over time I imagine there will be further change, and hopefully it will be good for us, maybe not so good, but thats the thing with aviation, or any job, who knows what is around the next corner. If I think that NJE no longer suits me, I will look for something else, but presently, in this current uncertain climate, I think that we are in a good place to weather the storm. There are other places where I would not feel so confident!.
Having followed the threads on NJE, the detractors are concerned that the pro NJE guys are all blinkered. well, I think that most of the people from NJE that post are pretty realistic, and yes, positive. But very few claim it is perfect. The detractors don't even work for the company and have a lot to say, mostly negative. Mostly based on? who knows, but luckily the vast majority of NJE crews that I know / meet / talk to are mature, sensible and able to make their own minds up regarding their futures.
Also what kind of people would you put on your interview panel? people who are unhappy and miserable with the company, or those that are positive? How exactly does the fact that things have slowed down for everyone make NJE such an evil place. If you join a company with 1000+ pilots, expecting to jump 500 other copilots for a command in a matter of months, then you are probably dissappointed. Show me any other aviation company this size where you can do that these days. People are not leaving shiny big jets to join NetJets from the majors... but they are leaving from smaller outfits that are probably no better or - shock - horror - possibly even worse. Nobody is forcing you to apply or join NJE. The vast majority that do choose to join NJE have done so with their eyes open, and are enjoying themselves. Yes, there is less flying at the moment, but we are still doing OK. Look around, airlines are folding everywhere. T and C are getting less attractive everywhere. XL, Alitalia, Austrian... Those are / were big operations, and they aren't doing so well at the moment. BA, for example, used to be the one of the best places to work, now they are working max hours, min rest, max utilisation...
There is a lot of NJE bashing, well, OK, but I have been in for a while, am in a good position, but am not blinkered. I know there is always room for improvement, and it is a slow process, but I have no plans to leave.
If you choose that NJE is not for you, thats fine, but just because it doesn't suit you personally does not make it bad. Salaries are paid on time, rosters are solid, and we are generally treated like adults.
Yes there are other operators out there flying less hours, for more money and rosy night stops, but they have their downsides too. Thats the same with the airlines. You are welcome to apply for them if you wish. They probably do not have that much hiring going on at the moment, and with low hours you are not going to get a command any quicker! If you have tons of relevant hours, and you are in the running for a direct entry command, congratulations and best of luck to you. I mean it, I am very pleased for you. For those joining NJE with lots of hours, expecting a quick command, why are you leaving your previous job? Mostly in my experience it is because the previous employer has gone bust or is awful or is flying turboprops in the third world...
Last time I checked we live in a free market. Nobody has to do anything that they don't want, and that includes working for NJE. The vast majority of us in NJE are enjoying the job. So mr B767, thanks for your application, and sorry we weren't what you wanted, but if you chose not to join should we all cry into our drinks and change to suit you? I think not. I am sure we will be OK without you. Over time I imagine there will be further change, and hopefully it will be good for us, maybe not so good, but thats the thing with aviation, or any job, who knows what is around the next corner. If I think that NJE no longer suits me, I will look for something else, but presently, in this current uncertain climate, I think that we are in a good place to weather the storm. There are other places where I would not feel so confident!.
Having followed the threads on NJE, the detractors are concerned that the pro NJE guys are all blinkered. well, I think that most of the people from NJE that post are pretty realistic, and yes, positive. But very few claim it is perfect. The detractors don't even work for the company and have a lot to say, mostly negative. Mostly based on? who knows, but luckily the vast majority of NJE crews that I know / meet / talk to are mature, sensible and able to make their own minds up regarding their futures.