Netjets (Europe) Interviews - All you need to know about it (threads merged)
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Gees, I got an email from a pilot that resigned from Netjets. In fact, he sent it to every one on the fleet.
So, there have been at least one resignation last month.
So, there have been at least one resignation last month.
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Amazing, the passions we can invoke for a job.
"Work is the refuge of people who have nothing better to do with themselves..."
Quote: Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
"Work is the refuge of people who have nothing better to do with themselves..."
Quote: Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
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What did the resigning pilot say, was it 'pastures new' or was he/she bitter?
My man on the insde in Portugal told me last week that the company is worried about the trickle of people who are leaving may turn into a torrent. The company is very dependant on some high quality Belgians who may be tempted to leave if an airline sets up a base at BUB.
Solve the problems by, reviewing pay (upwards), pay equallity across the fleets, proper career progression and improve commication with the people who talk to the passengers every day - the pilots!
It's sad to see things are not getting any better since I left.
What did the resigning pilot say, was it 'pastures new' or was he/she bitter?
My man on the insde in Portugal told me last week that the company is worried about the trickle of people who are leaving may turn into a torrent. The company is very dependant on some high quality Belgians who may be tempted to leave if an airline sets up a base at BUB.
Solve the problems by, reviewing pay (upwards), pay equallity across the fleets, proper career progression and improve commication with the people who talk to the passengers every day - the pilots!
It's sad to see things are not getting any better since I left.
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if an airline sets up a base at BUB
There is an airline with a base there called SN and they have a problem with a torrent the other way! Combining it with VEX has not solved that.
Then the other Belgium airline (more or less) DHL is moving away too. Leaves just a charter company or a base in Liege with TNT ..
And before I forget: RYR has decreased its Charloi base....
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You are right of course. However, with the traffic at a low point at BUB the Airport Authority is out there courting airlines with discounted fees on offer.
There will be a taker soon enough, wait and see!!
You are right of course. However, with the traffic at a low point at BUB the Airport Authority is out there courting airlines with discounted fees on offer.
There will be a taker soon enough, wait and see!!
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True but it does not mean a base there. LH, BA,KL and AF have made sure from the beginning that BRU will remain a low yield market. Great for the consumer in Belgium but sad for local pilots.
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What aircraft type do most newhires start on - Bravo, Excel, Beechjet, Hawker? I know that it could be any aircraft in need of crewing, but what is the "most likely" based upon recent trends?
What's the likelihood of starting on a Bravo vs. the glorious GV?
What's the likelihood of starting on a Bravo vs. the glorious GV?
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Netjets,
From memory he was changing careers completely. He enjoyed working with the crews. That's all I can remember sorry.
From the goss on the tarmac, a few guys have had/are going to interviews.
Riker,
You start on whatever they need you to start on. We had 16 start on our indoc. 2 went to the 400, 2 G4, 4 Bravo, 4 Excel, 4 Hawker 800XP.
From memory he was changing careers completely. He enjoyed working with the crews. That's all I can remember sorry.
From the goss on the tarmac, a few guys have had/are going to interviews.
Riker,
You start on whatever they need you to start on. We had 16 start on our indoc. 2 went to the 400, 2 G4, 4 Bravo, 4 Excel, 4 Hawker 800XP.
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One at a time please.
His dudeness
No thanks. Been there, done that. Hope you find something better.
Before you go though I can't let this pass without comment......
That's pretty close to what happened. They 'overpaid' people. They gave them a contract saying they would be paid a nice salary and then half way through they changed it. And that's ok in your eyes is it? In that case I withdraw my hope for you to find a better job. With your attitude and propensity to roll over and take it up the rear can I politely ask you to stay right away from the rest of us who still expect to abide by the terms agreed and not have the rug whipped out from underneath. "Oooh, oooh, me sir, me sir. I'll do that for you and what's more I'll do it cheaper". Bet people love working with you 
Trainer too 2
My point is that both the managers of HR in Lisbon and Scheduling quit recently. That's 'quit' not 'fired' or that quaint euphemism 'asked to leave'. So has another manager, not yet public information. Have you not yet noticed how these are never announced? How people are just let quietly out the back door?
None of these are the firings you refer to which are old news. And your point is?
I'm not going to drag this thread down in to a "Yes it is/no it isn't" argument. I said the terms and conditions can and have been changed by the company over several issues in the past. This was denied by some in here who eventually admitted that it was true. I said there had been resignations. This is being denied by others whose information is out of date. There have been recent managerial resignations as well as crew. More are in the pipeline. I know this because the people concerned have told me. They are not just thinking of leaving, they have accepted job offers.
Like I said before as far as flying and machinery are concerned you'd be hard put to beat this job. When the phones are off and you are flying it's great. The downside is that employees (not just crew) are treated badly. People operating in a climate of fear seek to cover their backs and this creates an awful environment to work in. It is counterproductive. Promising people one thing and then pulling the old switcheroo is just poor management. Treat whatever you are told at interview or indoc with a healthy dose of scepticism. Revised pay scale (small cabin fleet get paid less than larger) is never going to happen. It has been 'coming soon' for three years.
As the company are trying to turn a profit it pains me see the waste and misuse of one of its best resources, people. NJE has some very bright and capable employees but most of them will not get involved any deeper than doing 9-5 in the current climate and who can blame them?
For me this thread is dead. I've proved the points made in the hope that anyone considering joining can do so with open eyes. I freely admit that I've also entered this debate in the hope that management in Lisbon, who keep an eye on this site, will shape up before it's too late.
His dudeness
I you want to, we can swop:
Before you go though I can't let this pass without comment......
My best GUESS about the paycut is, that they offered real good money in the begining to start the hole thing and since they still loose money they have to do something about it. So they take the fast lane and take it away from the employees. No news here, happened to many people in our industry (Lufthansa, Deutsche BA, PanAm, TWA, United etc.etc.)
Trainer too 2
I guess you are not and have not been in NJE for a while. The only two managers that I heard of where asked to leave and have been replaced by much better grade guys.. So your point is??
None of these are the firings you refer to which are old news. And your point is?
I'm not going to drag this thread down in to a "Yes it is/no it isn't" argument. I said the terms and conditions can and have been changed by the company over several issues in the past. This was denied by some in here who eventually admitted that it was true. I said there had been resignations. This is being denied by others whose information is out of date. There have been recent managerial resignations as well as crew. More are in the pipeline. I know this because the people concerned have told me. They are not just thinking of leaving, they have accepted job offers.
Like I said before as far as flying and machinery are concerned you'd be hard put to beat this job. When the phones are off and you are flying it's great. The downside is that employees (not just crew) are treated badly. People operating in a climate of fear seek to cover their backs and this creates an awful environment to work in. It is counterproductive. Promising people one thing and then pulling the old switcheroo is just poor management. Treat whatever you are told at interview or indoc with a healthy dose of scepticism. Revised pay scale (small cabin fleet get paid less than larger) is never going to happen. It has been 'coming soon' for three years.
As the company are trying to turn a profit it pains me see the waste and misuse of one of its best resources, people. NJE has some very bright and capable employees but most of them will not get involved any deeper than doing 9-5 in the current climate and who can blame them?
For me this thread is dead. I've proved the points made in the hope that anyone considering joining can do so with open eyes. I freely admit that I've also entered this debate in the hope that management in Lisbon, who keep an eye on this site, will shape up before it's too late.
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Dear Smeagel,
where from my statement do you take it, that I find it okay ? My best guess is, you WANT it to be that way....
I said " So they take the fast lane and take it away from the employees."
This does not mean, its okay to change contracts - but it is a reality in todays world, where socalled managers always use the weakest part (Workforce) to make up for their deficiencies or the unreal business plan.
Anyhow, if you´re so pissed with them changing your contract, vote with your feet - thats what I would do...but maybe you are not the shiny knight you pretend to be ?
Who rolled over ? Did YOU take the paycut and still work for them or did I ?
And BTW, where did I say I´d be cheaper ?
You´re jumping to conclusions and you insult me, so far I´m glad not to fly with a "GENTLEMAN" of your sorts.
where from my statement do you take it, that I find it okay ? My best guess is, you WANT it to be that way....
I said " So they take the fast lane and take it away from the employees."
This does not mean, its okay to change contracts - but it is a reality in todays world, where socalled managers always use the weakest part (Workforce) to make up for their deficiencies or the unreal business plan.
Anyhow, if you´re so pissed with them changing your contract, vote with your feet - thats what I would do...but maybe you are not the shiny knight you pretend to be ?
Who rolled over ? Did YOU take the paycut and still work for them or did I ?
And BTW, where did I say I´d be cheaper ?
You´re jumping to conclusions and you insult me, so far I´m glad not to fly with a "GENTLEMAN" of your sorts.
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(Edited because I had to work this morning and have now had chance to breathe)
His dudeness. I interpreted your comments on employers changing conditions to be of the 'live with it' variety. What I did not do was take into account the fact that your mother tongue may not be english and allow for any nuances. If I'm wrong I apologise, if I'm right then my earlier comments stand.
We can hardly take your stance here as impartial though. You have made it clear that you would like nothing more than to leave your current job and join NJE ("So Mr. Netjets, I´m a regular fan of yours, now the ball is in your field....and yeah, I´d like a F2000 or GV Job please"). Hell you're practically begging.
So in the nicest possible way might I suggest that when/if you have been in NJE for some time and experienced the dictatorial style of management first hand you then revisit the subject. If you ever get to that stage you will see that changing things from within is somewhat difficult if not impossible. Those who have tried in the past have been dealt with swiftly. As Trainer Too 2 might put it they were 'asked to leave'.
I am an optimist by nature though and like to think that the doers of bad things get their just desserts eventually. I shall be staying for just a little longer as the underground news suggests that things are being watched a little more closely these days by those across the water.
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His dudeness. I interpreted your comments on employers changing conditions to be of the 'live with it' variety. What I did not do was take into account the fact that your mother tongue may not be english and allow for any nuances. If I'm wrong I apologise, if I'm right then my earlier comments stand.
We can hardly take your stance here as impartial though. You have made it clear that you would like nothing more than to leave your current job and join NJE ("So Mr. Netjets, I´m a regular fan of yours, now the ball is in your field....and yeah, I´d like a F2000 or GV Job please"). Hell you're practically begging.
So in the nicest possible way might I suggest that when/if you have been in NJE for some time and experienced the dictatorial style of management first hand you then revisit the subject. If you ever get to that stage you will see that changing things from within is somewhat difficult if not impossible. Those who have tried in the past have been dealt with swiftly. As Trainer Too 2 might put it they were 'asked to leave'.
I am an optimist by nature though and like to think that the doers of bad things get their just desserts eventually. I shall be staying for just a little longer as the underground news suggests that things are being watched a little more closely these days by those across the water.
The End
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Well, I have read all of the replays on this forum. Just to let you know that I would be very glad if i could get hired by NJE, considering my routine day to day flight dispatch job. Let me get to the point. I would like to ask what chance do I stand to get hired? Just about 2 months ago i have e-mailed NJE my CV and received a replay back saying:"Thank you for your application.....
it will be dully processed...." I am still waiting.
I hold the JAA frozen ATPL as well as FAA ATPL. Total time of 3500
1400 multi, but no type rating nor any turbine. My flying experience was flying a Cessna 421 for air-ambulance in USA.
I know that they do require a type-rating, something to please TSA in States to grant permission for training.
Can someone please shed some info on this.
Thanks.
it will be dully processed...." I am still waiting.
I hold the JAA frozen ATPL as well as FAA ATPL. Total time of 3500
1400 multi, but no type rating nor any turbine. My flying experience was flying a Cessna 421 for air-ambulance in USA.
I know that they do require a type-rating, something to please TSA in States to grant permission for training.
Can someone please shed some info on this.
Thanks.
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Smeagel,
"The only prob I have is, that I applied 4 times and got just one answer "thanks we are finished for this year"...
So Mr. Netjets, I´m a regular fan of yours, now the ball is in your field....and yeah, I´d like a F2000 or GV Job please"
Was actually meant as an ironic comment. (4 applications, no interview)
However, if NJE WOULD offer me a Job, I most likely would take it, ´cause I think I would strike a better deal than my current. (Which is not too bad compared to others)
Quote smeagel:
So in the nicest possible way might I suggest that when/if you have been in NJE for some time and experienced the dictatorial style of management first hand you then revisit the subject.
I will, if I ever come that "far".
Quote smeagel
I interpreted your comments on employers changing conditions to be of the 'live with it' variety
What I meant is, thats a reality of today, especially in our profession.
Whenever managements (all across this planet) fail (for whatever reason), the first to be punished, cutback, laid off, is the workforce.
What I say is, decide for yourself if you can live with it - if not, go ! Thats what I would do, what I already did once.
(It was not about Pay, but the conditions and field of work)
It is like with the typeratings:
If you don´t wanna pay for it, just don´t do it - I never paid for one, nor will I. Thats basically why I´m stuck on Citations and KingAirs, thats partly why I see NJE as a good alternative to get to another type.
"The only prob I have is, that I applied 4 times and got just one answer "thanks we are finished for this year"...
So Mr. Netjets, I´m a regular fan of yours, now the ball is in your field....and yeah, I´d like a F2000 or GV Job please"
Was actually meant as an ironic comment. (4 applications, no interview)
However, if NJE WOULD offer me a Job, I most likely would take it, ´cause I think I would strike a better deal than my current. (Which is not too bad compared to others)
Quote smeagel:
So in the nicest possible way might I suggest that when/if you have been in NJE for some time and experienced the dictatorial style of management first hand you then revisit the subject.
I will, if I ever come that "far".
Quote smeagel
I interpreted your comments on employers changing conditions to be of the 'live with it' variety
What I meant is, thats a reality of today, especially in our profession.
Whenever managements (all across this planet) fail (for whatever reason), the first to be punished, cutback, laid off, is the workforce.
What I say is, decide for yourself if you can live with it - if not, go ! Thats what I would do, what I already did once.
(It was not about Pay, but the conditions and field of work)
It is like with the typeratings:
If you don´t wanna pay for it, just don´t do it - I never paid for one, nor will I. Thats basically why I´m stuck on Citations and KingAirs, thats partly why I see NJE as a good alternative to get to another type.
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Hey NetJets
What's going on with the G200. Are they hiring direct to this aircraft. I am currently flying it and love it!! Would be great to get on with a company like NetJets where I could fly a whole bunch of them.
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aeronautic1. Netjets Europe don't have G200's.
Dudeness. While I've no doubt your present job is worse than one at NJE it doesn't make some o f the things that happen there right.
Stay and fight or leave? The former has been my choice so far. I still say that it's not too late. There are a lot of capable people there who could get more involved at a managerial level and most of the crew would do a little more were it not for the fact that they are treated as expendable.
It's been that way for some time and is too ingrained in the psyche of those in charge for them to change. The only way things will improve is if there are some serious changes in management. I'll give it another year.
You never know, you might get your interview soon. Two people told me today that they have interviews elsewhere.
Dudeness. While I've no doubt your present job is worse than one at NJE it doesn't make some o f the things that happen there right.
Stay and fight or leave? The former has been my choice so far. I still say that it's not too late. There are a lot of capable people there who could get more involved at a managerial level and most of the crew would do a little more were it not for the fact that they are treated as expendable.
It's been that way for some time and is too ingrained in the psyche of those in charge for them to change. The only way things will improve is if there are some serious changes in management. I'll give it another year.
You never know, you might get your interview soon. Two people told me today that they have interviews elsewhere.
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New call sign for Netjets
CHANGE CALLSIGN FOR NJE
Valid from 02 Aug 2005 to 31 Oct 2005 (released 02 Aug 2005 at 08:45:22)
ATTN FMPS
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FROM: WIE
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NETJETS (NJE) NOW USE CALLSIGN -FRACTION-
THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY ICAO AND WILL BE REFLECTED AS A CHANGE
IN ICAO DOC 8585 EDITION 134 EXPECTED PUBLICATION OCT 2005.
PLEASE NOTE OLD CALLSIGN -SKYSHARE- WILL NO LONGER BE USED.
PLEASE INFORM YOUR OPERATIONAL ATC COLLEAGUES ACCORDINGLY.
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CFMU OPS DIVISION BRUSSELS
Valid from 02 Aug 2005 to 31 Oct 2005 (released 02 Aug 2005 at 08:45:22)
ATTN FMPS
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FROM: WIE
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NETJETS (NJE) NOW USE CALLSIGN -FRACTION-
THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY ICAO AND WILL BE REFLECTED AS A CHANGE
IN ICAO DOC 8585 EDITION 134 EXPECTED PUBLICATION OCT 2005.
PLEASE NOTE OLD CALLSIGN -SKYSHARE- WILL NO LONGER BE USED.
PLEASE INFORM YOUR OPERATIONAL ATC COLLEAGUES ACCORDINGLY.
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Wow - interesting to note that some of the newhires (per my earlier question) were placed directly onto the GIV - not too shabby... Is placement within a newhire group partially determined by hours/experience, etc. if multiple aircraft types are available (say Bravos, F2000s and GIVs) or could a 2,000 hour newhire qualify for a GIV seat?
When pilots do leave NJE, are most leaving for LCCs like Easy, Ryanair, etc. or corporate positions? Where have recent departing NJE pilots gone to?
Cheers
When pilots do leave NJE, are most leaving for LCCs like Easy, Ryanair, etc. or corporate positions? Where have recent departing NJE pilots gone to?
Cheers
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Mr Angry.
I think it was the pressure of being squeezed between management and crew. The former wanted as much as possible (methods for this have been done to death in here) while the latter didn't like it.
It must be a thankless task. Just as they think they've got the scheduling sorted another change comes along and all their work goes to pot.
Try doing that with the (little known) fifth horseman of the apocolypse hanging over your shoulder. No thanks.
I think it was the pressure of being squeezed between management and crew. The former wanted as much as possible (methods for this have been done to death in here) while the latter didn't like it.
It must be a thankless task. Just as they think they've got the scheduling sorted another change comes along and all their work goes to pot.
Try doing that with the (little known) fifth horseman of the apocolypse hanging over your shoulder. No thanks.