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meleagertoo 20th Nov 2023 19:57

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....566eab3919.png

Asturias56 21st Nov 2023 07:24

I keep thinking Czech when I look at that picture?

meleagertoo 21st Nov 2023 14:34

It does have that look but no, not Czech.

Noyade 21st Nov 2023 19:00

The Dabos JD.24P D'artagnan.

meleagertoo 22nd Nov 2023 12:21

Noyade takes control...

Noyade 23rd Nov 2023 04:13

Cheers Mel. I enjoyed that one.

Same era as the Dabos...


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d69cd978be.jpg


Noyade 25th Nov 2023 04:20

Canadian.

Noyade 26th Nov 2023 05:29

Chopper.

Noyade 27th Nov 2023 05:27

Two-seater.
Powered by two Ariel 4-cyl motorcycle engines.
Designed/built by a former Polish Air Force pilot.

Asturias56 27th Nov 2023 07:51

can't seem to find any thing that fits built in the '60's.............. :confused:

meleagertoo 27th Nov 2023 14:13

Is it the Duben?

Man, they'd have to be desperate to go flying with a Square Four engines!

Asturian, nothing's been said about 1960s. The Square Four was produced from 1931 - 1959

Asturias56 27th Nov 2023 14:17

Noyade said "Same era as the Dabos..." - I took that to mean it was built in the '60's................

meleagertoo 28th Nov 2023 11:27


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11546871)
Noyade said "Same era as the Dabos..." - I took that to mean it was built in the '60's................

Oops! My mistake.

meleagertoo 28th Nov 2023 12:21

This machine has beaten every search engine I've tried.
I'm out of ideas.

Asturias56 28th Nov 2023 18:44

same here.......................... :(

Noyade 28th Nov 2023 23:27

Not the Duben. First flight (from what I've read) was 1962.
The full image may help...


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d276cbade2.jpg

thnarg 30th Nov 2023 07:11


Originally Posted by Noyade (Post 11547764)
The full image may help...

Er… no. A leaf blower from Canadian Tire? Yet another machine you’d never get me up in.

Asturias56 30th Nov 2023 07:52

think it might be a variant of the Avian Model2/180 Gyroplane that I found in the 1962 edition of Janes'

It doesn't look exactly like the challenge picture but searching on Wiki you find pictures that are close to if not identical. Apparently the first prototype flew in 1960 and crashed and the second version had several changes

janes reckons it was a Lycoming engine tho..............................

Noyade 1st Dec 2023 00:39


Originally Posted by thnarg (Post 11548521)
Er… no.

Oh well, I tried. :) Thinking it must be time to end this one then...

The PIDEK J.P.2B

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/thr...-canada.19316/
Pidek J.P.2B


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....186364a192.jpg



Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11548544)
I found in the 1962 edition of Janes'

Not sure what happened there A56? If you have that edition - it's on page 24.
No connection to Avian.

OPEN HOUSE.

Asturias56 1st Dec 2023 09:26

Sorry its a 1960-61 edition I have not a 1962.....................

hell of a challenge that was........................ ;)

Self loading bear 8th Dec 2023 21:13

To keep the thread going:
Don’t look at Bear Jr he has doubled his age in the mean time
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1c041cb6f.jpeg

Asturias56 9th Dec 2023 08:51

"landing flaps 50 prohibited except for emergency" reads the placard. Airspeed max is 300 - presumably kt or mph.

Hard to read the lettering in the middle of the yoke. With image enhancement seems to have words "test" "initialised?" "??test under..>" just above the boys fingers

Military - not a lot of secondary instrument on LHS of cockpit - and slow

Not a Herc or a Transall I think

Someone might be able to ID the hideous food service point - those colours......................... :eek:

dixi188 9th Dec 2023 10:56

Are we inside a DC-9 this time?

bafanguy 9th Dec 2023 12:19

A museum display ?

Asturias56 9th Dec 2023 14:48

"Are we inside a DC-9 this time?"" jeez I know they're old bu t even the oldest ones could do more than 300 mph. Tho MD did often run to 50 degrees of flap.................

dixi188 9th Dec 2023 15:35

From wiki the DC-9 has a Vmo of 350 Knots. The Barber's pole looks to be at 320.
Perhaps this one has a mod that makes it more limiting.

Asturias56 9th Dec 2023 16:32

Actually you're right :D- look at this early DC9-15 (N112PS) cockpit pic....................really basic!!



https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6024b7924f.jpg

dixi188 9th Dec 2023 16:46

I think this maybe the front end of N929L in the Planes Plaza at Schipol

Self loading bear 9th Dec 2023 21:06


Originally Posted by dixi188 (Post 11554091)
I think this maybe the front end of N929L in the Planes Plaza at Schipol

Dixi is on the money two times. It is the DC-9-32 nose at Schiphol plaza.
KLM had a lot of those. But this particular one did never fly for KLM.
It is outside customs zone.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4087df5c5.jpeg

dixi188 10th Dec 2023 08:17

Another big one.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dc27bf1757.jpg

Asturias56 10th Dec 2023 08:24

Ahhhhh - pretty distinctive

only 1 built IIRC

meleagertoo 10th Dec 2023 13:47

Brabazon.

dixi188 11th Dec 2023 08:43

It is indeed the Bristol Brabazon.

meleagertoo 11th Dec 2023 10:51

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9b3fecbc67.png

thnarg 11th Dec 2023 14:48

Well from the photo it looks like a trimotor with fixed gear and no toe-brakes, built by a company that just loves rivets. Are the engine instruments set vertically for a reason?

As for the Brabazon, wouldn’t you have loved to have flown it, or at least heard one go overhead? Would have been an interesting type rating course (“today, the dreaded seven engine go around”) and I wonder if there are any Brabazon (or Princess) checklists in the public domain.

dixi188 11th Dec 2023 16:29

tnarg,
I remember reading an article in an old TechAir magazine about the Princess. It had 2 flight engineers so that, with the un-reliability of the engines, the shutdown drills for one engine hadn't been finished before another engine had to be shut down. I believe on one flight 5 engines had to be shut down. Good job it had 10.
Dixi.

dixi188 11th Dec 2023 16:29

Maybe a flying boat?

Asturias56 11th Dec 2023 17:04

European?

meleagertoo 11th Dec 2023 17:57

I'd dearly love to have flown the Brabazon - what boggles my mind is how the crew managed to get to grips with the necessary procedures of such a vastly complex aeroplane without a simulator or anyone to reach them how, but I suppose they would have regarded me in the same way I regard the children of the magenta line - a hopeless and unpractical aviator of stunted ability due to too much procedure, mollycoddling and automation. They certainly seemed adept at moving from one type to another and operating them just fine based on little more than first principles and airmanship. I think of 'Dixie' Dean being told, upon the outbreak of WW2, to take the prototype Beaufighter (was it?) from possible harm's way at Martlesham to Boscombe Down and he'd never even seen one before. He knew how to fly a twin and that was considered qualification enough. Figure it out for yourself, no pilot's notes and get a bloody move on! What an era that was!

thnarg, they loved rivets for a very good reason.

It is not a flying boat

It was European.


Asturias56 12th Dec 2023 08:02

But the Beaufighter was just a tarted up Beaufort originally

And I'm not sure it was at Martlesham at the outbreak of the war - almost all the development flying was done at Filton I think

Back to the challenge - doesn't look British or German - so ... Italian?


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