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Self loading bear 26th Apr 2020 19:29

Is it a motor glider?
Perhaps Germany?

Jhieminga 27th Apr 2020 07:58

No and no.

Self loading bear 27th Apr 2020 20:42

I have looked at English trainers
and French I could not find a cockpit photo of the Sipa s 100.
so that is my last guess.
I think we (or am I the only one?) need some clues.

Jhieminga 28th Apr 2020 08:00

You're pretty close if you're looking at English trainers. It's a jet-powered one.

oncemorealoft 28th Apr 2020 08:25

Is it an early mark of Jet Provost? A T1?

oncemorealoft 28th Apr 2020 08:32

Answering my own question: don’t think it’s the Jet Provost but possibly the Miles Student?

Jhieminga 28th Apr 2020 10:08

oncemorealoft is the winner of a well deserved pat on the back. The Miles M.100 Student is correct.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....af62beab0e.jpg

oncemorealoft 28th Apr 2020 10:39

Thank you! To be honest, there aren’t many British jet trainers of that era it could be. Open House please as I’m unable to upload images arm.

Self loading bear 28th Apr 2020 10:45


Originally Posted by oncemorealoft (Post 10765673)
Answering my own question: don’t think it’s the Jet Provost but possibly the Miles Student?

Well deserved for OMA.
I did look at the Miles Student but could not find a cockpit photo.
And although not experimental only one prototype built.
Was that fully certified? Or flying in the experimental class?

Jhieminga 28th Apr 2020 11:28

Seeing as it was sold on and operated as a private aircraft, I assumed that it was fully certified. I did have my doubts when I answered that question, so apologies if I mislead you there.
The fact that there are hardly any cockpit photos online made this an excellent subject ;)

India Four Two 28th Apr 2020 21:40

Great challenge, Jhieminga.

I found this picture after OMA had identified it. The keel beam and the stick are very distinctive.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f8b809cfc0.jpg

It's in the Berkshire Museum of Aviation at Woodley, but apparently more complete now.

Jhieminga 29th Apr 2020 09:25

The photo I used (cropped slightly) came from this page with restoration photos: https://museumofberkshireaviation.co...estoration.htm
The page about the aircraft shows it to be almost complete: https://museumofberkshireaviation.co...ts/student.htm

If no-one else has anything, I found a photo I took a couple of years ago:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bed41a634c.jpg
This should be easier to solve than the Miles Student.

oncemorealoft 29th Apr 2020 14:36

Is it the Eclipse 500? One of the Very Light Jets.

Jhieminga 29th Apr 2020 15:17

It is indeed, this one to be precise: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/7917608

Your controls oncemorealoft.

oncemorealoft 29th Apr 2020 17:59

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9ab044eb0.jpeg
Don’t think we have had this one before.

Jhieminga 29th Apr 2020 19:44

Beechcraft Starship? OH if correct.

oncemorealoft 29th Apr 2020 21:32

Well done, J. Open House it is.

Self loading bear 30th Apr 2020 07:13


Originally Posted by oncemorealoft (Post 10767506)
Don’t think we have had this one before.

It featured short in February but was recalled as the Starship1 logo was not blacked-out.

dixi188 30th Apr 2020 08:30

That was my bad!

Jhieminga 30th Apr 2020 09:36

The 'flap/fwd wing' switch behind the condition levers is a dead giveaway for this type. ;)

oncemorealoft 30th Apr 2020 22:30

To keep things going, and as it’s Open House, here is a new challenge. 20 were made and it has an interesting background and a link (obscure) to Ford motors.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....de6b465db.jpeg

Jhieminga 1st May 2020 08:31

Built by Convair?

oncemorealoft 1st May 2020 14:36

Nope! :) No more clues yet.

oncemorealoft 2nd May 2020 23:49

May be a clue is needed? This was a European aircraft from a well known company.

evansb 3rd May 2020 01:11

Fokker F-25 Promotor.

oncemorealoft 3rd May 2020 05:17

evansb has it. There’s an interesting story behind the aircraft:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_F.25#/search

“The F.25 was based upon the design of the Difoga 421 aircraft, home-built and -designed secretly during World War II by Frits Diepen, a Ford garage owner from Tilburg, the Netherlands. His intention was to escape from German-occupied Europe to Britain using this aircraft that was powered by a Ford V-8.”





Self loading bear 3rd May 2020 09:24

Nice challenge!

Mr Diepen later founded aircraft part supplier
Avio-Diepen.
Now Proponent.
One of the largest independent parts suppliers.
With 9 distribution centers worldwide.

evansb 3rd May 2020 13:25

Thank you. I am not allowed to post URLs until I have at least 10 posts. It is OPEN HOUSE.

Jhieminga 3rd May 2020 14:51

Nice challenge, I never knew that the F-25 had controls on one side only.

Originally Posted by oncemorealoft (Post 10770992)
the Difoga 421 aircraft, home-built and -designed secretly during World War II

This is the popular story, but it is incorrect unfortunately. It was built using available materials only, but there was nothing secret about it. A model was tested in the NLR windtunnel in Amsterdam and the report about this was published. The company applied for both a registration and a certificate of airworthiness through the normal channels in 1942. Due to 'the current circumstances' this could not be accommodated, and because of this the application as well as the already paid costs were returned. The purpose of designing and building the aircraft was purely commercial.
In Dutch only, but see here for the evidence (includes a lot of photos of the aircraft as well): https://www.hdekker.info/DIVERSEN/Difoga%20421.htm

Self loading bear 8th May 2020 20:57

As we have Still open house:
Does anybody recognize this?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8e1b31fa0.jpeg

Jhieminga 9th May 2020 09:46

A simulator? 😉

Self loading bear 13th May 2020 17:14

Yes that photo was of a simulator
Here is another one of a simulator of the same type aircraft

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....121a079cf.jpeg


sycamore 13th May 2020 17:36

Northrop F-20...?

Self loading bear 13th May 2020 17:53

I am sorry but not an F-20.
About a decade later

Jhieminga 13th May 2020 20:41

An Atlas Cheetah C appears to fit the bill. Specifically a SAAF simulator at AFB Makhado ;)

Self loading bear 13th May 2020 20:46

Over to you Jelle
The last is the Cheetah C simulator and
the first photo was of the Cheetah D simulator

Jhieminga 14th May 2020 10:56

It took a bit of searching, but we got there in the end!
Here's another challenge:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....950ee26624.jpg

Self loading bear 14th May 2020 12:09

Looks like the tandem backseat?
Motorglider?

Jhieminga 14th May 2020 13:30

Not a motorglider.

sycamore 14th May 2020 20:31

Yak -3/9u....


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