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Noyade 13th Mar 2015 20:36

Hi Kitbag.

The guy who designed and built the original aircraft was Italian. Wiki says he designed and built Italy's first aircraft. He emigrated to the USA in 1911 and this was his first aircraft built there. Famous thereafter for cabin monoplanes one of his aircraft was Lindbergh's first choice for the transatlantic crossing until forced to turn to Ryan.

The net shows this 1911 replica now hanging in a museum. Just the gentleman's surname will suffice...

Noyade 13th Mar 2015 22:27

That's the man Jenkins! :ok:


http://www.aerofiles.com/pix1.gif Bellanca 1911 Replica (Dan Shumaker)
http://www.aerofiles.com/cleardot.gif
1911 = 1pOhwM; 30hp Anzani Y. POP: 1. Skeletal wooden fuselage with a cockpit, more of a perch, within the framework. Giuseppe Bellanca's first plane, in which he taught himself to fly and later used for flight training. Bellanca built and sold a number of other designs into the 1920s, but even basic details are sorely lacking and many are substantiated only by uncaptioned photographs.

Over to you...

oldpax 15th Mar 2015 00:55

Should go quickly!!
 
http://i62.tinypic.com/119qskk.jpg

India Four Two 15th Mar 2015 03:58

op,

Do the rudder pedals "provide" the answer? ;)

OH if correct.

By George 15th Mar 2015 04:57

Yes, the rudder pedals make that a Fairchild C123 Provider?

oldpax 15th Mar 2015 05:35

Oops !
 
Did not spot that!!OK looks like India two four its yours!!

India Four Two 15th Mar 2015 15:17

op,

An easy mistake. ;)

Open house.

Ocean Person 16th Mar 2015 10:09

Infamous Aircraft
 
oldpax:

A little surprise you have the temerity to put the 123 Provider on these boards when one considers it was the principal aircraft used in the chemical spraying of women and children during the Agent Orange campaign.

OP

oldpax 16th Mar 2015 12:41

What cockpit
 
Thank you for pointing this out ,I did not know it (123)it was used for this purpose as I am sure thousands of other ppruners also are not aware.But now I know thanks to you I shall not have the problem of using it any further.Is it OK if I put on a B-52 or perhaps a F-4 phantom ?

Kitbag 16th Mar 2015 12:49

Or a silverplate B29 😎

India Four Two 16th Mar 2015 14:08

Ocean Person,

Do grow up! Whether or not old pax knew about the use of C-123s on Ranch Hand missions is irrelevant. I certainly knew about it, but that's not going to stop me participating in a harmless game.

As op and Kitbag have pointed out, perhaps we should not post B-52s, F-4s and Silverplate B-29s? Or normal B-29s, B-17s and Lancasters?

I'm sure that none of the posters on here feel they are glorifying the history of a particular aircraft by posting it on this thread.

If you feel that I am being flippant in my response, please note that I have a friend in Vietnam whose has lifelong medical problems, because her father was exposed to Agent Orange.

Do us all a favour and take your moralizing elsewhere.

Kitbag 16th Mar 2015 18:26

Here's a quickie, civil but in deference to Ocean Persons sensibilities arguably had a hand in causing the death of many more people than any of the ac listed above.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...cp%2016mar.jpg

India Four Two 16th Mar 2015 21:56

Kitbag
The instruments look like they might be European. I'm intrigued to know how a civil aircraft could be so lethal.

TheiC 16th Mar 2015 22:13

I'm guessing it might have been used to transport someone who made some significant decisions at some stage. Pretty tenuous. Let's hope that tenuous things don't spoil this thread.

Kitbag 16th Mar 2015 22:18

I42 you may be correct as far as the instruments go, but the airframe is not European.

TheIC your guess is correct, this type was in the background.

Noyade 17th Mar 2015 00:01


I'm guessing it might have been used to transport someone who made some significant decisions at some stage
Ahhhh.....The Lockheed L-14 Super Electra maybe?


http://i58.tinypic.com/2cr3ate.jpg

Ocean Person 17th Mar 2015 06:28

Infamous Aircraft:
 
India Four Two:
Considering the subject and what it pertains to I think your choice of the word moralizing is somewhat hypocritical.

Kitbag:
I sincerely trust you know the difference between innocent and deliberate?

O.P.

Kitbag 17th Mar 2015 07:54

Correct Noyade. With regard to I42s comment I'm not sure whether the instruments were changed on purpose, does anyone have any idea?

Noyade 17th Mar 2015 12:18

Thanks Kitbag. Good clues and I suspect TheiC also knew the answer. Dunno about the flight instruments.

I don't have an interior shot but I thought this looked interesting - plenty of clues...

http://i61.tinypic.com/2cdyhdg.jpg

Kitbag 17th Mar 2015 18:40

At first look I was convinced that the guys all looked Italian, but a childhood memory suggests that the guy with the eye patch is Wiley Post.
A guess then at a Lockheed Orion?

evansb 17th Mar 2015 18:55

Northrop Gamma 2D.

con-pilot 17th Mar 2015 19:20

And Wiley Post. ;)

Noyade 17th Mar 2015 20:01

Northrop Gamma it is - over to you Brian. And yes, Wiley Post taking the oath as an airmail pilot, 1935.

evansb 18th Mar 2015 02:16

Okay, here is the next one:
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/...ht20weight.jpg

India Four Two 18th Mar 2015 06:05

Italian, SE, 30s-40s?

evansb 18th Mar 2015 09:22

Yes, Italian, early 1940s. Wooden construction, just like the Lockheed Vega and Model 9 Orion.

sycamore 18th Mar 2015 11:38

Canopy opens sideways to stbd...?

evansb 18th Mar 2015 18:38

No, the canopy appears to slide aft to open.

India Four Two 18th Mar 2015 21:56

JENKINS,

I don't agree. That looks like a propeller tip at the top left. :E

Kitbag 18th Mar 2015 22:27

How about the Ambrosini SAI.207?

evansb 19th Mar 2015 01:54

Kitbag is correct.:ok: The elegant Ambrosini SAI.207. Your turn.
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/...7_01_large.jpg

Kitbag 19th Mar 2015 07:17

Thanks Bri, away from PC right now. I have something to post at 1700Z unless someone beats me to it.

Kitbag 19th Mar 2015 18:33

From the book of the aircraft:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...19%20Mar_1.jpg

Noyade 20th Mar 2015 11:44

I'd appreciate a clue mate - when you're good and ready. Cheers! :)

Kitbag 20th Mar 2015 14:35

Right then, this ac was the first of its configuration to enter service with its parent air arm albeit in limited numbers. It was highly regarded by its operators for its robustness but was badly let down by its power plant. You'll have noted the illustration is in English. The big roll bar behind the pilots seat is readily apparent in photos of this type.

sycamore 20th Mar 2015 15:29

Could it be an early Naval turbo-prop..?

Kitbag 20th Mar 2015 17:01

No purely land based.

sycamore 20th Mar 2015 17:12

In later years,does the name refer to a different `type`...?

Kitbag 20th Mar 2015 17:15

You got it and that one did go to sea

sycamore 20th Mar 2015 20:33

I`ll leave it running...


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