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KRviator 13th Oct 2020 06:50


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 10903483)
I wish all of you in Melbourne well and hope that this nightmare, thrust upon you by incompetent leaders, ends soon.

The depressing part, tt, is that the nightmare is just beginning for an awful lot of people. How many have lost jobs, careers, and are facing the loss of their home or eviction because they can't pay their mortgage?

But it's OK, we've given 4,000 people an extra 5 years of their lives at the expense of your futures!

currawong 13th Oct 2020 09:57


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10903480)
Sutton says Victoria is the hardest place for trace contact. That's coming from him a prof.
Then contact tracing in the slums of Brazil, Afghanistan, India would be much easier then.

We will maintain the lockdown according to the science and highest medical advice.
Note they have never disclosed this so called fantastic science and medical advice or the
brilliant model we work on. What about the yesterday's statement from the WHO, that lockdowns were meant
to bend the curve only. After that you contact trace. All to hard apparently, just lock it down so much easier.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/

The graph shows about a month ago lockdown should of ended.
Again today, VIC 13 cases, fully lockdown stage 4, compulsory masks
and NSW, 12 cases, fully open, no lockdown where a mask if you wish.
And I heard on 3aw today that a lady broke the 5km rule and actually went 6km
to get to the IGA shopping centre. Not a good enough excuse I'm afraid, that will be $1652 mam.
The talk back is starting to get angry now. Don't hold your breath for Sunday.

Because, as your graph shows, in Victoria 50 odd cases can become 500 cases in about four weeks.

Get on top of that issue and we will all be better off.

wheels_down 13th Oct 2020 10:10

They need about 2-3 weeks of single digit figures down south before opening the flood gates. That mid teens with mass rapid openings will be back in the 50s in the matter of a month then it’s rinse and repeat and it’s now March and we are back where we are today.

I get the anger and fatigue, and yes this all of result of Spring St, however this cannot get out of hand otherwise it’s going to take until Easter to get back to this point.

Starving people of freedom for so long then opening up the gates, has not been done here yet and the results of such rapid movement could go any way. Think of the chaos that will be seen at Shopping Malls. It’s going to spread like wildfire I think.

Turnleft080 13th Oct 2020 11:15


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10903578)
Because, as your graph shows, in Victoria 50 odd cases can become 500 cases in about four weeks.

Get on top of that issue and we will all be better off.

For the last month though, deaths have all been age care, have they not. If that's the case then lockdown age care only and open the rest or
implement what NSW have done. A couple of so called Vic health experts went up to NSW to learn about contact tracing about a month
ago and have they leant or thrown the concept out the window. Don't know. Not one press conference on that subject.
Peta Credlin grilled Dan on this not just that 6min call and the standard cold face answer. I will determine what's best for the state according to the science.
Gosh that's good answer spin at it's best.

If you open up do the obvious things (mask, space, sanitise etc) then tracing should keep cases <15.
If not, then Dan has proved (in fact already proved) that lockdowns don't work.
That's according to the latest information WHO released according to the science.


currawong 13th Oct 2020 12:36


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10903616)
For the last month though, deaths have all been age care, have they not. If that's the case then lockdown age care only and open the rest or
implement what NSW have done. A couple of so called Vic health experts went up to NSW to learn about contact tracing about a month
ago and have they leant or thrown the concept out the window. Don't know. Not one press conference on that subject.
Peta Credlin grilled Dan on this not just that 6min call and the standard cold face answer. I will determine what's best for the state according to the science.
Gosh that's good answer spin at it's best.

If you open up do the obvious things (mask, space, sanitise etc) then tracing should keep cases <15.
If not, then Dan has proved (in fact already proved) that lockdowns don't work.
That's according to the latest information WHO released according to the science.

Obvious, except its not that simple, is it?

Your post #473 regarding mask wearing illustrates -

"Come Thursday I think it means I'm going to have a criminal record."

Transition Layer 13th Oct 2020 12:47

'We can't be a hermit nation': Infectious disease expert backs select travel bubbles

There is zero appetite for risk in this country anymore! We are doomed as a nation if we remain locked off to the rest of the world indefinitely.

Turnleft080 13th Oct 2020 13:20


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10903669)
Obvious, except its not that simple, is it?

Your post #473 regarding mask wearing illustrates -

"Come Thursday I think it means I'm going to have a criminal record."

Don't get me started on those horrible lack of O2, runny nose, filthy disgusting, nappies things that you place around your
face that keep touching and placing in your pocket. Look at all those lovely facial expressions. Look at everyone just looking at the ground
while walking. Let me guess, did I write something like this at post #473 without looking it up.
A mentally drained mind really needs all the O2 it can get.
II'I wear one not for good health, only because Dan says so. That's it.
All the graphs that go up & down, up & down again for the last 9 months will happen wearing a mask or not.
In fact they work like lockdowns. They will prolong the virus. Ventilation works better.

"Am I ever gonna see your mask again. No way, get masked, mask off."

currawong 13th Oct 2020 13:31


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10903686)
Don't get me started on those horrible lack of O2, runny nose, filthy disgusting, nappies things that you place around your
face that keep touching and placing in your pocket. Look at all those lovely facial expressions. Look at everyone just looking at the ground
while walking. Let me guess, did I write something like this at post #473 without looking it up.
A mentally drained mind really needs all the O2 it can get.
II'I wear one not for good health, only because Dan says so. That's it.
All the graphs that go up & down, up & down again for the last 9 months will happen wearing a mask or not.
In fact they work like lockdowns. They will prolong the virus. Ventilation works better.

"Am I ever gonna see your mask again. No way, get masked, mask off."

If it makes you feel any better, from the W.H.O -

"WHO has updated its guidance to advise that to prevent COVID-19 transmission effectively in areas of community transmission, governments should encourage the general public to wear masks"

https://www.who.int/publications/i/i...ncov)-outbreak


"Encourage" ;)

blubak 13th Oct 2020 22:07


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10903329)
Labor or Liberal diehards- who gives a fcvk right now? Let’s deal with COVID and pick the best leaders for the job.

If you could clone Gladys or Dan to run all the other states I know which one I would chose.

Couldnt agree more,what colour you wear or what political agenda you support has nothing to do with the best man for the job.
Let the facts make your mind up not what political party somebody in your family decided to vote for & advised you to go the same way & never consider the alternative.

minigundiplomat 13th Oct 2020 22:47


Quote:
Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
Labor or Liberal diehards- who gives a fcvk right now? Let’s deal with COVID and pick the best leaders for the job.

If you could clone Gladys or Dan to run all the other states I know which one I would chose.
Couldnt agree more,what colour you wear or what political agenda you support has nothing to do with the best man for the job.
Surely you mean best woman.......

blubak 14th Oct 2020 08:27


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 10903956)
Surely you mean best woman.......

Best man or woman,dont care what they are or what colour they represent,a good job is just that.

Transition Layer 14th Oct 2020 12:55

McCoward’s house of cards is looking shakier by the day:

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...14-p56549.html

vne165 14th Oct 2020 14:24

Agreed, the mistake of assuming broad support for hard borders will soon be revealed.

Green.Dot 14th Oct 2020 21:01

It backs up what many of us have suggested for a long time saying all states except Vic and NSW should have unrestricted travel between them. From the article...

“Premier Mark McGowan has been “caught out on his political decision” to keep WA’s border closed after his Chief Health Officer told a parliamentary inquiry the state could open to five of the other seven Australian jurisdictions.”

:ugh:


currawong 14th Oct 2020 21:21

The WA legislation sounds different to QLD...

Regarding the QLD border -

"The powers granted to the Chief Health Officer in a public health emergency are extensive."

"Although the final decision is made by the Chief Health Officer, the Premier is able to contribute information that the State Government considers relevant."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...harge/12753776


So in the QLD context at least, measures taken are unlikely to change regardless of the government of the day.

Given the calibre of our politicians, probably not a bad idea.





KRviator 20th Oct 2020 02:52

So, yeah. You can now fly from UnZud to New South Wales, the Territory or South Australia, either direct, or via Sydney - and not have to undergo quarantine. Yet you cannot fly from anywhere in Australia to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Westralia without being forced to undergo 2 weeks mandatory - but completely voluntary remember! - detention at your own cost...

Yep, we're certainly living up to that concept of Federation alright! :mad:

Ragnor 20th Oct 2020 03:16

TAS will open to NSW 2nd November. As proven NSW has the best contact tracing team in the country if not the world its been proven with their quick actions on potential breakouts that’s undeniable.

QLD and WA will find it harder to keep their borders closed past November without having to answer for it now. November will certainty be an interesting month for those two states. Hopefully QLD people have woken up to Queen P and that idiot SM who has demonstrated he is actually a child and should not be in the job.


getaway 21st Oct 2020 04:14

So apparently now, any Qlders can drive as far south as feral Byron Bay without restriction(not sure why anyone would want to, except to get drugs) & apparently now anyone from NSW including SYD can drive to Byron Bay without restriction, so Qlders & those from SYD can mix at Byron, but they can't fly SYD/BNE/SYD or BNE/SYD/BNE without restrictions/quarantine.

Is this nuts ?

brokenagain 21st Oct 2020 05:31


Is this nuts ?
Whilst I think it’s funny you started this thread under a different username and here you are again acting all sneaky sneaky with a new flash username, you do raise a very good point. It doesn’t really pass the pub test. It’s hard to see it as anything but political grandstanding.

With growing discontent in Queensland around the border closure, could we see a last minute pre election border announcement from Queen P as a cynical way to try win some more votes?

Ragnor 21st Oct 2020 10:23


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 10908595)

With growing discontent in Queensland around the border closure, could we see a last minute pre election border announcement from Queen P as a cynical way to try win some more votes?

This is exactly what she and that child idiot SM will do. They have the speech prepared already as to why the 28 days is no longer needed, it will involve ML doing so well so being close is no longer a greater threat as to what last week was blah blah blah.
To be honest I don’t want QLD ppl here, our testing is 3 times higher than theirs our contact tracing is ten fold Better than theirs and covid is running rampart in their sewage so one has to ask. Is QLD actually doing as good as they make out?

The even scarier thing is that QLD ppl will vote Queen P and Idiot SM back in which well.....I’ll stop there....


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