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Iron Bar 30th Oct 2020 06:44

Palmers High Court action must be looking promising. WA Govt’ wouldn’t want to be ordered to reopen.

PoppaJo 30th Oct 2020 06:49

Greater Sydney is essentially the whole state in my employers book. It’s not a viable operation relying on regional pax to get the Sydney base moving.

Click of the fingers and she is closed again. I reckon that will play out soon after they open the gates to Greater Sydney again.

As mentioned elsewhere the consequences of not getting FNQ and SEQ tourism moving for a few months before potential months of rolling downpours early next year will destroy what hope is left.

You really need to pray we don’t get a cyclone this upcoming wet season. The met guys are a tad nervous.

getaway 30th Oct 2020 06:49


Originally Posted by DanV2 (Post 10914810)
In addition to Queensland opening up to the rest of NSW except Sydney.

WA will be opening up to QLD, SA, NT, TAS, ACT from November 14
NSW & VIC travellers or WA residents returning from NSW/VIC will still have to quarantine in WA.

So overall, the border situation after November 14 will basically be only "locked to Victorians" from most states. Still locked to Greater Syd (Qld) and all of NSW (WA).

https://www.businessnewsaus.com.au/a...-november.html

new premier might open border to SYD on Sunday.

Looks like Sweden was only country to do the right thing & close nothing. Only deaths in old peoples homes (maybe they should have locked them down, maybe)

getaway 30th Oct 2020 06:51


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 10914817)
Greater Sydney is essentially the whole state in my employers book. It’s not a viable operation relying on regional pax to get the Sydney base moving.

Click of the fingers and she is closed again. I reckon that will play out soon after they open the gates to Greater Sydney again.

As mentioned elsewhere the consequences of not getting FNQ and SEQ tourism moving for a few months before potential months of rolling downpours early next year will destroy what hope is left.

You really need to pray we don’t get a cyclone this upcoming wet season.

LNP will hopefully win tomorrows qld election. CHO will be sacked, but will get ~$2m payout. Nuts, considering all the bad calls she's made.

SOPS 30th Oct 2020 06:52


Originally Posted by getaway (Post 10914818)
new premier might open border to SYD on Sunday.

Looks like Sweden was only country to do the right thing & close nothing. Only deaths in old peoples homes (maybe they should have locked them down, maybe)

I don’t things are going so great in Sweden.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...umber/12829990

getaway 30th Oct 2020 07:00


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10914820)
I don’t things are going so great in Sweden.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...umber/12829990

cases mean absolutely nothing. Deaths are what counts & none in general population who are healthy.

Nothing was closed, economy as normal.

It now appears you don't even need herd immunity as it turns out, corona is just a bad case of flu. Look at 100s of billions wasted & continue being wasted. Businesses & lives ruined & for what ?

Stickshift3000 30th Oct 2020 07:17


Originally Posted by getaway (Post 10914819)
CHO will be sacked, but will get ~$2m payout. Nuts, considering all the bad calls she's made.

Who will sack her and for what reason/s? The CHO is a public servant; not an employee of a political party.

KRviator 30th Oct 2020 07:18

So, Sweden went from 4,944 deaths on June 08 to 5,934 today, a 20% increase in nearly 5 months, yet in that time, cases went from 71,667 cases to 121,167 a nearly 70% increase. The data doesn't lie, the fatality rate there is dropping substantially, even with increasing cases.

getaway 30th Oct 2020 07:19


Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 (Post 10914828)
Who will sack her and for what reason/s? The CHO is a public servant; not an employee of a political party.

the new qld premier will sack her silly, as soon as votes are counted.

getaway 30th Oct 2020 07:21


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10914830)
So, Sweden went from 4,944 deaths on June 08 to 5,934 today, a 20% increase in nearly 5 months, yet in that time, cases went from 71,667 cases to 121,167 a nearly 70% increase. The data doesn't lie, the fatality rate there is dropping substantially, even with increasing cases.

all deaths in sweden are old people & others who are vulnerable, so no need to close the country & everything in it. Close the nursing homes if you must. No nursing home residents are running around the country or flying anywhere. Same with cancer patients with reduced immunity.

Stickshift3000 30th Oct 2020 07:22


Originally Posted by getaway (Post 10914832)
the new qld premier will sack her silly, as soon as votes are counted.

It would have to come from the Minister, but sure your story sounds cool.

Entertain me more: for what reasons would she be sacked?

Stickshift3000 30th Oct 2020 07:26


Originally Posted by getaway (Post 10914834)
all deaths in sweden are old people & others who are vulnerable, so no need to close the country & everything in it. Close the nursing homes if you must. No nursing home residents are running around the country or flying anywhere. Same with cancer patients with reduced immunity.

All of them were old and vulnerable? Fake news.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...by-age-groups/

murder most fowl 30th Oct 2020 07:28


Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 (Post 10914828)
Who will sack her and for what reason/s? The CHO is a public servant; not an employee of a political party.

Believe it is a contract position, you could choose not renew when the current one expires which is SOP for govt to move on people in higher positions. Whilst I don't agree with her, not a reason to boot her.

Boe787 30th Oct 2020 07:29

I think Taiwan with 9 deaths....no lockdown, has done a bit better than Sweden.
one of the first to close border to China.
masks mandatory in public, social distancing, and a purpose built quarantine/hospital built after sars ready to go.
Western governments did nothing, despite continual warnings from the experts that a pandemic was inevitable.

currawong 30th Oct 2020 08:28

Despite what the media says, make your own judgement.

Corrected for population.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc


MickG0105 30th Oct 2020 08:28


Originally Posted by getaway (Post 10914822)
cases mean absolutely nothing. Deaths are what counts & none in general population who are healthy.

Nothing was closed, economy as normal.

Sweden's COVID-19 deaths per capita rate is nearly 17 times higher than ours and their economy is far from normal. They suffered a 20 percent more significant downturn in GDP than us, and their COVID-related spike in unemployment was 25 percent higher than ours and unlike ours, their unemployment is showing no signs of recovery (it's been stuck at 9+ percent for months).

By any objective public health or economic measure I wouldn't be holding Sweden up as an example of how to manage coronavirus.


Originally Posted by getaway (Post 10914822)
... as it turns out, corona is just a bad case of flu.

Except that it manifestly is not just a bad case of flu. Coronavirus is currently the third most prevalent cause of death in the US. So third leading cause of death and that's from a late start at the end of February so covering just 8 months of the year.

That is most likely the case in the UK also - third leading cause of death (in Sweden it is currently number 5, possibly number 4 by year's end).

1A_Please 30th Oct 2020 08:29

In a surprise to no one, QF has decided to close bookings to USA and UK until October 2021 at the earliest. Given the state of the virus overseas, this is expected and if no vaccine becomes viable will probably extend further. On a more positive note, they have kept bookings open for potential bubble locations like Japan, NZ, Singapore, Fiji and Hong Kong.

SOPS 30th Oct 2020 10:29

I simply can’t believe that some people on here.. ( that I assume are professional pilots ), think this thing is ‘just the flu’. Have you read about the after affects if you survive? You may never fly again. What don’t some people get?

vne165 30th Oct 2020 11:46


Originally Posted by Iron Bar (Post 10914812)
Palmers High Court action must be looking promising. WA Govt’ wouldn’t want to be ordered to reopen.

+1, spot on

Ragnor 30th Oct 2020 12:10

By all the polls been run today, they have Labor winning so looks like indefinite border closure for SY and NSW as their demands will not be met.


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