I’m a Liberal voter. However in the next WA election, for the first time in my life.. I will vote Labor. ( Would never do it for a federal election).

I will be surprised if the Libs get 3 seats in the lower house at the next WA election.

I would contend that the advice that each premier received would have been the same regardless of their colour.

Would not want to be the premier explaining why they disregarded that medical advice when the inevitable inquiry/royal commission comes about.

Very hard position for opposition politics to argue "disregard the medical advice".

This thing has been a poison chalice for all sides of politics.

Personally, I think divisive reporting and frankly kooky bloggers are making hard work out of a pretty straightforward exercise.

This thing will be over soon. Right now we, Australia, are looking pretty good compared to elsewhere.

Define “soon”. :confused:

Very fair point. "Over" is probably a relative term too...

As I see it, cases are zeroing out. We are headed into summer, airbourne pathogens don't tend to do well outside of winter.

Vaccines are close. Entirely possible before our next winter when case numbers can be expected to rise again.

With the bottoming out of case numbers, borders will open. Border exemption areas are already expanding.

We are looking in good shape.

Much of the northern hemisphere though are facing surging numbers on the way into winter. Not good shape.

With care, over in Australia. With caveats.

Earlier than Later

A few issues.....

- most vaccines fail in Phase 3. So just because the Oxford etc vaccines have made it this far means jack as far as it actually passing into production.

- it’s all well and good having said vaccine pass stage 3 and enter production. But have you actually seen the production rates available? Even in China, with 5-6 vaccines in development, it would take them over 12 months using ALL their production facilities to produce enough for their entire population. So best case will probably take 12-24 months to see meaningful coverage from a vaccine that enters production.

- “with care”, with all due respect to any Victorians, the two things required to keep COVID out of the community inAustralia (good quarantine and contact tracing), have both been shown to be woefully done in that state. There’s a significant chance that Vic Health still won’t have learnt their lesson to avoid a repeat occurrence happening at some point in the next 6 months. On top of this, I’d argue the QLD and WA tracing systems have not been properly tested yet as they’ve had no significant outbreaks from the quarantine system. NSW has had multiple security guards test positive but they still managed to keep a lid on it, so I’d have confidence in their abilities.

Forget about what party he stands for,vote on the performance.
People need to take their blinkers off & decide if the service was good,just the same as buying a product or a service,if you were happy go there again,if not take the business elsewhere.
I really cant believe people vote for a political party based on the name of it & refuse to even concede that anything wrong has been done.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/france
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/germany
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/

About 3 weeks ago we were all wondering how the deaths would match up against the massive increase of cases in Europe.
Three weeks is up and deaths have still flatlined which now must prove one thing. This virus loves to attack people with infected tissue. First wave.
If you don't have any infected tissue i.e. (healthy people) you will only come asymptomatic as shown on the above graphs. Second wave.
Even without a vaccine this virus will fade away just like mers/sars as viruses were meant too. If their is no longer
infected tissue (not so healthy people) to infect the virus will become week and fade.
As for USA/Brazil/Iran/Israel they still look like their in the first wave.
Lockdowns only flatten the curve (government controlled) they cannot eradicate. Europe has just proven that.
You will always get a cluster here and there. Why? It needs to spread and infect healthy tissue before it fades.
As I said moons ago lockdowns only prolong the virus.

So if we get another pandemic do you think we have learnt anything. More importantly have the governments of this world
learnt anything. Stupid stupid question of course. Maybe, just maybe, they should try to lockdown all age care and those with infected tissue and leave the
economy open i.e. don't burn 500 billion for nothing. Let it rip through the young generation no one will hardly go to hospital because they
have all dosed up on Vit D ( don't let the WHO or the pharmaceutical companies know about this because they will get very upset) and hay presto
virus gone in 3 months. Isn't that right Mr Sutton and Daniel Sun.

:ugh:.. ..

Why the change of heart? Do you honestly think McGowan has done the right thing?

He took the easy zero risk option, but was it the best one?

spot on turn left.

You've got to wonder, who's been running the show. Have lawyers been saying to govts, if you don't lock down, you'll be sued left, right & centre, when someone dies.

One could say as we live in a democracy and going off his polls, probably???

Although interstate and international aviation is suffering out of WA, intrastate isn’t. There’s been a boom in local tourism and buying of local goods, especially luxury goods. Boat sales in booming. The economy isn’t suffering too bad, unemployment dropped and it’s a fair bet there aren’t as many Jobkeeper recipients in WA compared to the rest. There probably is a fairly good argument to keep border restrictions in WA a few months longer to make sure it doesn’t get into our vulnerable indigenous communities. But I do understand the family separation issues and overall national picture, and hope the interstate borders re-open prior to year’s end too. WA was generally being put back on an OK track by McGowan after the Colon Barnett downturn. He deserves credit for not buckling to the Feds when they wanted to disembark that plague ship in Freo as well.

So as in any election we then look at the alternative, Liza Harvey? I don’t think even Liberal party supporters want her anywhere near the Premier’s office, that’s assuming more than 10% know who she is. She was only put into the job to cop the inevitable first election loss anyway. The state Libs have virtually nothing to offer and are on track to be wiped out at the next poll. The worst problem for those wanting the interstate border to open was having Clive Palmer front and centre calling for them to open. I bet quite a few people probably wanted the border shut just to keep him out.

That's wonderful and all however there is the issue of the constitution. If the East Coast is no longer in Pandemic then the WA Government has to open the border. In reality they should be open to most of Australia already. Sooner or later the WA Labor Party might have to realise they are not running a Communist Dictatorship and are beholden to a few rules that govern the whole country.

Tell that to the Victorian Labor Party. Only difference is WA booming under their Dictatorship whereas Victoria is dying a very slow death.

Two Hundred and thirteen BILLION dollars.

That's the budget deficit this year - a stunning turnaround from the projected $5 billion surplus forecast before we locked down the countries towns, cities and state borders.

So, how many people would we have needed to get "value for money" out of the $200B deficit? 43,469. But hang on a minute...That's "young adults with 40 years ahead of them".

The median age of COVID deaths in Australia remains 86. According to the Australian Institute of Health & Welfare, an 85 year old male in 2018 can expect to live to 91.4, a female to 92.5, so average it out to 92 years (Source). So that's what, 6 years longer than the average COVID death. So how many people would need to be saved to get value for money with those figures? 166,666 senior citizens would need to be "saved" to justify the cost of our current budget deficit.

Anybody really think we "got out money's worth"?

:confused:

Have you actually looked at the graphs you linked?

Deaths quadrupled in the UK over the 21 day period, in line with the increase in cases.

Make it easy on yourself and hit the 7 day moving average option...

really, to me the deaths curve and the cases curve look nothing like the first wave.

I would agree. Hard reliable data was difficult at that time.

Early on 1 in 4 tests were positive in the UK. Only the sickest got tested. Both of which skewed their data badly.

If more tests = more positives, UK should have peaked at the end of July.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc

Regarding the UK I will just pick a date April 5 cases 5348 deaths 644 and October 5 cases 12594 deaths 19
That's 3 weeks into both waves. Also checkout world cases against deaths. Cases slope up, the deaths slope down.
Interesting trend. Also found out President Trump while at Walter Reed Hospital was given Remdesivir, Regeneron, Dexamethasome
Zinc, Vit D, Famotidine, Melatonin. That's 5 drugs and 2 minerals which are Zinc and D. Dr Sean Colony (yes James Bond) his main doc
should be treating everyone like this. For this info U-tube Dr John Campbell update.
Cheers.