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So 2 or 300,000 dead (in Australia) but more likely over a million in ICU. The hospitals will be completely overwhelmed and they will be digging mass graves like they did in New York. That means if your car or plane crashes then no hospital bed for you sorry, you can die on the street.

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Hysterical, demented garbage. You should start a youtube channel, or apply for a news dot com gig.

If you have been in Victoria in the last 14 days.. you are no longer allowed to come into WA, no matter what reason you have. The only exception are transport and freight workers.

So... you still can come into WA from Vic with the right reason?

Its interesting looking at Sweden’s well publicised figures. Both total cases and deaths on a significant decline without harsh lockdowns. I wonder if in years to come we’ll look at their solution as better overall in the long term? Let it run its course rather than rolling lockdowns for who knows how long.

Worldometer Sweden Coronavirus Cases

1% of the Australian population is 250,000. It should be pretty obvious that not everybody dies from the virus, in fact most recover but some end up in ICU. Australia has ~2500 ICU beds (as of March, could be more now). Pretty simple maths, right?

Or are you one of these "it's all a hoax!" people? We're shutting down society for fun or because "comrade dan" is a closet commie and wants to steal our liberties ? ...........

What bull**** are you going to come up with next?

Hoax? Where do you draw that conclusion? Who said it was a hoax? Apart from a few of Chairman Dan's comrades.

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Can't be any worse than the hysterical bull**** you're coming up with.

Except for major AFL clubs it seems! Hmmm.....

Apparently because all AFL clubs are now out of Victoria.

No and No.

The Swedish government is having a review to see what can be done BETTER now they’re past the worst of it. NOT because they think they’ve done the wrong thing.

Like any sensible government should after this is over.

The Swedish mortality rate is now back to average. The UK mortality rate is also back to average.
There are studies now suggesting the UK mortality rate may actually be lower for the next 1-5 years because COVID brought some deaths forward.

Nobody likes losing their loved ones. I’m not about to volunteer mine either. But the longer this goes on, the better the information available gets.

No this is not the Flu.
But neither is it SARS or MERS.
Lets try to stick to some facts instead of the worst case ‘what if’ that’s always presented by most of the media.

Taiwan are the country that have picked the right path through this. They have one of the lowest death rates per million and haven't blown up their economy or turned it into a Police State. Unfortunately though the whole world isscared of China so Taiwan's success has been downplayed or ignored.

Hong Kong also, masks are common place there, seems to be key to stopping the spread of the virus

Maybe you should have a word. "West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has defended the state's hard border amid a spike in coronavirus cases in Victoria."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...unday/12377760

If it wasn't porous then why the need to tighten entry even further?

ok, so he didn’t say this then?

Sweden's top epidemiologist has admitted his strategy to fight COVID-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown.

"If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell said in an interview with Swedish Radio.

But you are right when you say it is not SARS or MERS
Covid has killed a bucket Load more people than they have...And that’s the facts Jack.

And I’m sure 99.999% of Taiwanese people can follow rules. If they don’t there are clear consequences. Meanwhile in Australia...

And just to prove it is not only the yobbos who can’t follow the rules, check out the crew selfie and story in this one.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...paign=abc_news

Ok well I read his comments as saying there’s a better way if they encountered it again. I’ll point out he never specifically said ‘I was wrong’ but he did say ‘somewhere in between’ Sweden and the rest of the world. Not totally disregarding their approach or the rest of world.

Again, any decent government could make the same comment:
“If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today”
We would do.... ???

My point with COVID vs SARS/MERS is the average mortality. If you want to go for total deaths, a bad flu season still kills more people. I’m arguing that the overbearing response of a lot of countries will not work long term. There will have to be some sort of risk vs reward discussion to decide what each individual country want. That depends on how bad they’ve got it IE; every response will be different.

For the morons who think “let the 1% die”, etc. The problem children, is that the mechanics of a pandemic will see the hospitals completely overwhelmed. It’s not about the. number of deaths it’s about the RATE OF CASES PRESENTING. The entire medical system gets overwhelmed and collapses. Think 100,000 people all trying to get medical attention at once at one hospital.

That means you break a leg, you die. Difficult birth you die. Heart attack you die. accident you die. There will be no medical treatment available at a all for anything. No pharmacies either. Your baby gets sick, it dies.

Under those conditions the economy stops. People don’t go to work. Food doesn’t get delivered. Power generation stops. Petrol stations close. Supermarkets can’t open. Panic, Riots, looting, crime collapse. That is what happens. You had a tiny taste a few months ago.

That is why the doctors talk about smoothing the curve, blunting the peak, etc.

You should be aware that Governments have been very carefully monitoring stuff like food and energy supplies for this reason.

Why are people still spruiking Sweden as an example? It has one of the highest Covid 19 fatality rates in the world.(adjusted for population, of course)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...hs-per-million

Why are people still spruiking the Swedish economy? It has tanked there like everywhere else.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/b...ronavirus.html

Why are people still spruiking herd immunity? Research is showing it to be a non starter, without a vaccine at least.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/vaccine-re...ry?id=71662733

Agreed Sunfish, let the 1% die would result in a spike of probably close to 10% higher deaths than usual due to all other problems unable to be treated due to no hospital capacity. So that 250000 could turn into one or 2 million deaths over an un specified period depending on the time frame of COVID patients presenting, probably a couple of years.
However on the flip side stop start lockdowns will destroy people’s livelihood and increase deaths due to other causes too. This virus will keep doing this and outbreak constantly.... at some point I think a tactic of protecting the vulnerable and letting it run through the general population may be the only option in the future, Vaccine? Haha right, no effective one will ever appear, this virus is here for good.

As for international flying if we persist with lockdowns after each outbreak (which are going to occur again and again) forget 1 year, it could stretch out to 3-5 years until meaningful travel becomes an option.

Yes very interesting! look at what they count!!!!!!

It is only the city!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Numbers there are very very poor - now count the rural (no figures available), but from memory the do count aged care in the "official numbers" that other countries do not.

I agree. What airlines will be around after that period of time to do the flying? The Air Force?

Fark me. How dumb can you be?? Do Jetstar not have procedures in place to minimise the risk of spread?? We are not allowed out of the cockpit while passengers are boarding or disembarking.

Got to agree. Very very stupid. And totally contrary to Government Health advice to Airline Operators.

Should the pax (or a crew member) subsequently test positive, it could be very awkward.

It's probably a government sponsored flight would it be more economical to put the 5 pax on one flight instead of two.

+1 Sunfish, well said. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Sunfish, those effects have been explained again....and again....and again.........but some don’t seem to see the correlation. It’s ‘I’m alright jack‘ until you stub your toe/get bitten by a mozzie, it gets infected and you DIE because you couldn’t get the right antibiotics because you couldn’t get in to see a doctor or into a pharmacy. Turning up at an emergency department won’t help either.....’you are number 543 in the queue, we’ll get to you when we can.’ 24hrs later you’re dead from sepsis. Pretty simple concept really🥺🥺🥺🥺
Alarmist? Maybe but that is the fundamental ‘flattening the curve‘ reasoning.

Easy.....Stay the FCUK HOME 🤬🤬🤬🤬

And use the military for hotel security

Forget masks and face shields. Why doesn't Dan's government issue NASA space suits with HEPA filters.
They would be cheaper than the deficit. The 6 weeks would be reduced to 3 and the curve flattened.
In fact it would be eradicated. Crazy maybe.

288 cases in Victoria today. Well done Dan. You have screwed Oz

I think that some people on this forum are not smart enough to understand this simple concept. It's easier to claim covid is a hoax or dan is a commie who wants to steal everyone's civil liberties :rolleyes:

POSITIVE TESTS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS:
June 26 – 30
June 27 – 41
June 28 – 49
June 29 – 75
June 30 – 64
July 1 – 73
July 2 – 77
July 3 – 66
July 4 – 108
July 5 – 74
July 6 – 127
July 7 – 191
July 8 – 134
July 9 – 165
TODAY – 288

So thats 1562 cases in 2 weeks. If those 1562 are in reasonable good health then they will not die. They may get sick though they will not die.
Remember recovery rates are in the high 90% range.
We have had 4 deaths in 48 days Australia wide. VIC only 2 in the last 48 days and those deaths did have underlining conditions.
The numbers are fact. It looks like Dan wants total eradication.
It will be interesting to see what the numbers are in 2 weeks. It looks like more cases, I hope no deaths.
That could indicate the virus is weakening by herd immunity.
Stay healthy people.

theres a lag of 1-2 weeks for deaths, as those diagnosed with COVID deteriorate.

Heard imunity reauires 60% of the community to have been infected, so far Australia wide 0.032% have been infected, so I believe that theory is flawed.

There is also no evidence that the virus has mutated to be one any more or less infectious, direst quote from Prof Brett Sutton in today’s briefing.

The virus is not weakening through herd immunity. There is some evidence that the really hard hit poor areas of NY have antibodies in the 60+% range which is starting to get to the herd immunity zone. However the wealthier (less pigmented) areas of NY it's barely in double figures. Second wave territory.

It's not just Dan that wants eradication. It's the country. Every other state (and NZ) is expecting it too, and has almost achieved it.

Notable that a full review of procedures in national quarantining of inbound returning travellers has been formally announced, as well as the cutback to the numbers. Respective governments are very aware that there are many weak links in the quarantine chain - and the security guards were the weakest.

Don’t look now, but.....

‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan

That's been disputed by the Kazahks...

Well they can have it. Do want chips with that.

"In response to these reports, the Ministry of Health of the Republic of Kazakhstan officially declares that this information does not correspond to reality," the statement read.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/a...scn/index.html

Oxford epidemiologist pushes herd immunity. article in THE AUSTRALIAN 8th July. by Jacquelin Magnay

One of the worlds top epidemiologists has urged Australia to abandon a lockdown strategy against Coronavirus and look to the Swedish model
of developing herd immunity. Sanetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology in the department of zoology at the University of Oxford, says
Australia is adopting a selfish and selfish-congratulatory approach which is misguided and will have a negative long-term consequence and urged
the country to look at the latest evidence to decide it's tactics. She said the Australian government changed its approach and let the virus-which 80-90%
of the population will only get asymptotically spread naturally, with intense protections for those most vulnerable, it would in the long term help protect all
of the Australians from future viral threats and also avoid the most damaging short term economic impacts for the underprivileged.

The most recent scientific research shows that between 30-80% of the population has natural immunity to coronavirus because the body's T-cells
recognise the threat from having had other cold and flu viruses. Scientists believe having coronavirus causes people's immune systems to develop antibodies
and T-cell responses to future viruses. Professor Gupta said: " One of the reasons why I'm not worried about this virus is a running theme in research work
is how previous exposure to viruses protects you from incoming threats." She warned that suppression of the virus did not work and lockdown simply
resulted in some parts the population being more exposed to the virus when it next flared up. She said,"There is no way lockdown can eliminate the virus
and so it's not at all surprising once you lift lockdown in areas it will flare up again. That is what we are seeing in southern USA, and in Australia.
In places where it has already swept through, a proportion of people are immune and you are not seeing it come back."
She said instead of lockdowns governments should focus energies on shielding the elderly and those with comorbidities to protect them as much as possible.
Professor Gupta said countries that had closed off borders were not ensuring populations remained exposed to the virus at some point, but long term it was unsustainable.
"You can only lock down for so lock down unless you choose to be in isolation for eternity so that's not a good solution," she said.
She said Australia may think it is an effective short-term strategy but there are long term consequences. "Being self-congratulatory,'we have kept it out', is misplaced.
Professor Gupta said Sweden's measured social-distancing approach had offered greater protections for the entire region because Scandinavia now had high levels of immunity.
Professor Gupta said Swedes "have done quite well in terms of deaths". She said Denmark and Norway, which locked down and have had lower deaths rates, may yet find next wave difficult.


This now begs the question. Dan will flatten the curve, cases will slide down to a few after 6 weeks. Then the borders open, stage 3 abandoned
until another cluster breakout and hey presto we go into another 6 week lockdown. Victorians won't take that. The above article has to come into play.

Sweden has a fairly good death rate when compared to Belgium - other than that it is a long bow.

This theory was debunked weeks ago. The latest research reports blood clots in recovered patients in multiple organs and severe blood clotting in the deceased ones. That most likely points to a longer term ticking time bomb.