The military is where they take away your rights and reintroduce them as privileges. :E

If the major city hotels weren't being used for Hotel Quarantine, they'd be empty, all their staff on the dole, no GST being paid by the hotel company or their employed staff.
On the contra side, the government would have to pay for setting up / maintaining, staffing and guarding these quarantine facilities in the remote areas.
That's why "no one wants to" do this.
$$$$$$$$$

BTW, we've had the same suggestions in NZ from opposition MPs "build a big new quarantine centre at RNZAF Base Ohakea".
I suspect that someone explained the financial facts of life, they've gone all quiet on it.

It’s not 1950, it’s 2020. I don’t think the speed makes one iota of difference.

There is risk with all vaccines, yet I’m guessing that you have had all those.

I’ll do whatever I have to do to get the world back to normal.

Even if it is not a requirement of your employer it may well be a requirement of various other countries on your airline's network.
As was the case with a couple of countries not permitting crew over 65, it may see some pilots having to move to a domestic fleet if they aren't prepared to be vaccinated.

Damn, didn't realise we had so many medical professionals posting here. Makes you wonder why anyone would bother to go to university and study science when we have geniuses here who can say with authority they know more than the "so called experts".

And people wonder why the virus is tearing through a lot of other nations.......

you might want to look at how many vaccines have gone wrong since 1950. Medical science still screws up routinely.

When the head of Pfizer admits they are not even sure if you can still transmit the virus when vaccinated and "it needs to be looked into more" - for the sake of a virus that will burn out by itself, and has negligible consequence on people with a normal, healthy metabolic system,
yeah, I think i'll pass. Just the same as I don't bother getting a flu vaccine because i'm not in any risk category that would warrant bothering.

As expected, vaccines that are used to combat serious disease / risk of being life altering or death are being conflated with this Corona virus vaccine.

That's also kinda the problem summed up in one sentence - the world, our economies and that thin veil of what we thought were our freedoms has been absolutely trashed and taken advantage of by Government and corporations by this very attitude.

The difference between a pro-vaccine person and a anti-vaccine person.

Pro-vaccine person believes a drug can counteract the bad bacteria that has caused the infection. This has been going on for the last 200 years.
Anti-vaccine person believes good bacteria that counteracts the bad bacteria prevents infection in the first place. This has been going on for the last 5000 years.

That's the dilemma in a nutshell not an argument. As time has evolved the chemical/physical/emotional stress has built slowly, century after century.
Don't forget the gut has trillions of bad bacteria at any one time and your gut is 80% of your immune system. The way you counteract that bacteria is your business
and no one else's.

Ohh FFS :ugh:

Better turn off all your EGPWS alerts and TCAS systems as well. They’re preventing you from dieing just like a vaccine.

God there are some paranoid people on here.

And the virus will die out will it? That’s why countries are into their 3rd and 4th waves and the US has just recorded some massive increase in the case rate.

So you’d rather go through the pain and suffering of getting these diseases and the painful aftermath?

Ask someone who had polio as a kid if they would have liked a vaccine.

Ha ha- says you!

I believe the famous dr dre wrote this yesterday... My apologies if you are actually a real medical doctor who found his/her way on to regularly posting on a pilots forum...

Nope. here's the difference.
I'm posting a paraphrased version of what 99% of medical experts (all minus the quacks) know. I sourced it from a World Health Organisation document here:
How do vaccines work?
Those who say they know more than the "so called experts" were saying Covid is going to die naturally, is not a problem as their symptoms were mild, and thought they knew more about vaccine approval than the specialists. These are not positions supported by the overwhelming bulk of medical experts.

And Dr Dre, 99% of what governments are doing is not backed by scientific evidence either. While they don’t look at the excess mortality, impact of masks and lockdowns etc they expect people to listen to them when they say, you must have a vaccine.

There has never been a requirement for a vaccine for a corona virus before and new technologies have been used to try and create one now in record time.

Nothing makes sense anymore but I think each individual has a right to choose, to look at the evidence and make their own mind up, not follow the scaremongers and sign their rights away even more.

No their wouldn't be any pain or suffering in the first place because your immune system would counteract the bacteria.

Polio was and still is a disease invented by man by poor sanitory and poor water quality. Hence your bad bacteria has well and
truly defeated your good bacteria. That's why you get sick.

Poliomyelitis, commonly shortened to polio, is an infectious disease caused by the poliovirus.[1] In about 0.5 percent of cases, it moves from the gut to affect the central nervous system and there is muscle weaknessresulting in a flaccid Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth.[1] It may also be spread by food or water containing human feces and less commonly from infected saliva.[1][3

Thank's wikipedia and note the word gut.

Although there’s indifvidual state differences I think most scientists, experts and the governments would agree (some more begrudgingly than others) that masks work, lockdowns help reduce spread and vaccines will be safe and distributed ASAP amongst the masses. Who are you to say what is behind the stopping of the spread is not backed by scientific evidence?

Ahh, Ivor Cummins, the Chemical engineer turned Diet and health food book swindler who’s now decided, with no public health qualifications or experience, that he knows far more than the “so called experts”.

I can’t be bothered to a sit through an hour of conspiracies from someone who is not remotely qualified to talk about the subject matter. I think he, you and a whole lot of others posting here need to read this, as it explains one of the biggest problems with modern society:

The problem with thinking you know more than the experts

Data is fact, you can draw your own conclusions, everything else is opinions, including yours, no better than the millions of others out there.

Absolute nonsense.

My interpretation of that data has the exact same weight as your interpretation, Ivor Cummins’ interpretation and anyone who does not have sufficient qualification in public health or epidemiology’s interpretation.

Zero.

So next time you break a bone before the Doctor has a chance to look at the x-ray snatch it out of his hand and tell him his mere “opinion” on it has the same weight as the receptionist or the practice cleaner. Or your own.

It doesn’t matter how persuasive or confident charlatans like Ivor Cummins are. If he’s not influencing opinions of the ones who matter (public health experts and epidemiologists) then his words are nothing more than PR designed for clicks and YouTube views to attract gullible types to his brand to buy his Keto Diet books.

The country that was going for a herd immunity approach (Sweden) failed and have now changed course to what the rest of the world is doing.

FFS how did society become so f*cking stupid......

UK commentary as to what works does not really apply to the Australian experience.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc

I accept Boris Johnson is abnormal, and for that reason he needed ventilation to keep living. I accept Tim Brooke Taylor was gonna die anyway, yada yada.

Where I am currently sitting in my man cave, there are three people who had COVID within 50m of me. Diagonally-opposite neighbour to the NW was a fit ex-navy type in his 50s. One of the initial batch of infectees in the state. Still several kg too light, still not near pre-COVID fitness. Couple in house to the SW, husband is mid 40s in aviation, was a keen cyclist, fitness now shattered. Wife early 40s, also was in good shape, and is only now shaking off recurrent waves of anxiety and again fitness is way off. So don't spout uninformed bull**** about COVID-19 being inconsequential. It is at minimum equivalent to glandular fever for many, with an R value exceeding 1.0 by a big margin, so every ******** will get if it runs free.

Just because some government reactions are over the top fanatical, and causing equivalent damage as the virus, does not make it right to spout rubbish about COVID-19 being nothing to write home about.

And to anyone posting malarkey about COVID not killing too many more people than the flu etc, please show a little bit of common sense and consider what might happen if we were not actively shutting the virus spread down by throwing everything else under bus. FFS.

Why don’t those who are talking it down, actually go and get infected if they’re so confident, then tell us how you go afterwards.

Perhaps this is natural selection at play, off you all go

And in breaking news..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...ntine/12954384

More people who think the rules don’t apply to them.. there goes the borders!!!

I’m increasing suspicious that you’re just trolling turnleft.

You DO know that we are talking about a virus here, don’t you? And that a bacteria is not a virus?

Haha mate woah. I didn't claim to be a medical expert. Just giving my experience of how the virus felt. I'm certainly not anti-vax or anything like that. Real science cannot be disputed. I think what it comes down to more, is that we're entitled to our core beliefs. Some people believe that death is unacceptable. Others believe that birth and death is the most natural thing in the world. And before you say that's insensitive of me, I am fully aware that my death is also inevitable. Nature suggests "survival of the fittest, to the benefit of the herd". You can have the opinion that we haven't been strict enough with lockdowns. I can have the opinion that we have been too strict and it may possibly have a lasting affect on young peoples lives for decades to come. But to say right now that either of us knows for certain is a naive point of view.

This and hotels are just ticking time bombs until the next cluster surfaces as a result. Whoever is responsible for the process breakdowns with these people need to be charged.

Still have people working multiple jobs at Hotels.

The Premiers have said they will not close the borders unless a significant outbreak is created, however I don’t think they will hesitate one bit if they can sniff a hotel or airport leakage problem about to surface. She normally gives Sydney a 48hr threat so you might be able to just get home in time.

How is it possible his late in the game, that international travelers are able to skip hotel quarantine. Australia needs to grow a set and start criminally charging these ppl.

This is the ticking time bomb that needs to be addressed by not allowing international arrivals to capital city’s anymore risk is to high to us.

They (the 2 German tourists I think ) not only escaped quarantine, they escaped officials at SYD International then had to either train it, or bus it, to the
domestic side to catch the Virgin flight. Problem identified at MEL airport the last piece of swiss cheese blocked. All pax and flight crew texted. Wow.
What about those on the train or bus?

Looks like the security/quarantine theater show is on again. What on earth are these government officials doing to allow two foreign nationals to literally walk straight into Australia? What is the point of all the restrictions, the economic damage etc when you can just walk straight in? Lets not forget all the other stuff ups that seem to be at the hand of the government officials this year too. This year has seen the vast majority of the population do the right thing only to have the government at one level or another screw it up.

NSW has done very well through out this, but, this latest is almost unforgivable. Yes there will be outbreaks and cases but this should never have happens. NSW police let these two escape, as news is coming in its apparent it could of been lining up in the line for the bus when the two told police they had exemption to on travel, luckily to the diligent airport staff in ML this was picked up and reported.
This whole not wanting to hurt anyone’s feelings give them a pat on the back tell them to try harder next time etc is rubbish. This virus has killed caused economic damage and heartache. Ppl need to be held accountable over this or stop the international arrivals.

Well said and interesting to get this perspective from someone who has witnessed it, first hand. I don't know anyone who has had it, so I appreciate your view and agree with everything you've said.

Again the common denominator.

Sydney Airport International terminal, city train or city bus to Domestic terminal, Melbourne airport terminal. All staff and passengers using those transport hubs then move all over those cities, potentially spreading it in every direction.

Solution? Fly them direct to Curtin, Christmas Island, Alice Springs, Woomera, etc. Problem solved.

Amazing to have so many people so close when only one in just under a million Australians have been infected.
Stats show COVID-19 is inconsequential to the vast, vast, majority of those infected.
Your anecdotal evidence is weak.

BTW I do not oppose the vaccine rollout; quite the opposite. No need to be sprouting uninformed anecdotal bull**** though.

Australians can’t get flights home. How do German tourists get in?

One in just under a million have been infected?! I’m not great at math, but maybe rethink that.

ha ha. But pilots are experts at everything dontchya know

They need to be sent back if they are tourists.

The Car Rental clerk in Melbourne was the person that apparently raised the concern and called the authorities.

They purchased the Virgin tickets while on the train between terminals. They most certainly had this planned and we need to drop the book hard on these two big time.

ABC and The West Australian are both reporting them as German nationals. I ask again.. how did they get here in the first place?

They're German nationals but Australian residents. It was a security guard (not car rental) that raised the alarm. They asked directions for the car rentals then the security guard probed them thats when they (the Germans) requested directions to hotel quarantine. NSW police are owning the f@#k up saying it was a veteran cop but only this cop second day doing hotel quarantine seems they gave him a pat on the back and told him to try harder next time. This guy needs to be disciplined its been going on long enough they should know what to do by now.

I was a bit confused by that too.

About 30% of people getting in arent citizens or permanent residents. 19 000 new visas have been issued since the caps started.