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KRviator 13th Oct 2020 05:50


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 10903483)
I wish all of you in Melbourne well and hope that this nightmare, thrust upon you by incompetent leaders, ends soon.

The depressing part, tt, is that the nightmare is just beginning for an awful lot of people. How many have lost jobs, careers, and are facing the loss of their home or eviction because they can't pay their mortgage?

But it's OK, we've given 4,000 people an extra 5 years of their lives at the expense of your futures!

currawong 13th Oct 2020 08:57


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10903480)
Sutton says Victoria is the hardest place for trace contact. That's coming from him a prof.
Then contact tracing in the slums of Brazil, Afghanistan, India would be much easier then.

We will maintain the lockdown according to the science and highest medical advice.
Note they have never disclosed this so called fantastic science and medical advice or the
brilliant model we work on. What about the yesterday's statement from the WHO, that lockdowns were meant
to bend the curve only. After that you contact trace. All to hard apparently, just lock it down so much easier.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/

The graph shows about a month ago lockdown should of ended.
Again today, VIC 13 cases, fully lockdown stage 4, compulsory masks
and NSW, 12 cases, fully open, no lockdown where a mask if you wish.
And I heard on 3aw today that a lady broke the 5km rule and actually went 6km
to get to the IGA shopping centre. Not a good enough excuse I'm afraid, that will be $1652 mam.
The talk back is starting to get angry now. Don't hold your breath for Sunday.

Because, as your graph shows, in Victoria 50 odd cases can become 500 cases in about four weeks.

Get on top of that issue and we will all be better off.

wheels_down 13th Oct 2020 09:10

They need about 2-3 weeks of single digit figures down south before opening the flood gates. That mid teens with mass rapid openings will be back in the 50s in the matter of a month then it’s rinse and repeat and it’s now March and we are back where we are today.

I get the anger and fatigue, and yes this all of result of Spring St, however this cannot get out of hand otherwise it’s going to take until Easter to get back to this point.

Starving people of freedom for so long then opening up the gates, has not been done here yet and the results of such rapid movement could go any way. Think of the chaos that will be seen at Shopping Malls. It’s going to spread like wildfire I think.

Turnleft080 13th Oct 2020 10:15


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10903578)
Because, as your graph shows, in Victoria 50 odd cases can become 500 cases in about four weeks.

Get on top of that issue and we will all be better off.

For the last month though, deaths have all been age care, have they not. If that's the case then lockdown age care only and open the rest or
implement what NSW have done. A couple of so called Vic health experts went up to NSW to learn about contact tracing about a month
ago and have they leant or thrown the concept out the window. Don't know. Not one press conference on that subject.
Peta Credlin grilled Dan on this not just that 6min call and the standard cold face answer. I will determine what's best for the state according to the science.
Gosh that's good answer spin at it's best.

If you open up do the obvious things (mask, space, sanitise etc) then tracing should keep cases <15.
If not, then Dan has proved (in fact already proved) that lockdowns don't work.
That's according to the latest information WHO released according to the science.


currawong 13th Oct 2020 11:36


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10903616)
For the last month though, deaths have all been age care, have they not. If that's the case then lockdown age care only and open the rest or
implement what NSW have done. A couple of so called Vic health experts went up to NSW to learn about contact tracing about a month
ago and have they leant or thrown the concept out the window. Don't know. Not one press conference on that subject.
Peta Credlin grilled Dan on this not just that 6min call and the standard cold face answer. I will determine what's best for the state according to the science.
Gosh that's good answer spin at it's best.

If you open up do the obvious things (mask, space, sanitise etc) then tracing should keep cases <15.
If not, then Dan has proved (in fact already proved) that lockdowns don't work.
That's according to the latest information WHO released according to the science.

Obvious, except its not that simple, is it?

Your post #473 regarding mask wearing illustrates -

"Come Thursday I think it means I'm going to have a criminal record."

Transition Layer 13th Oct 2020 11:47

'We can't be a hermit nation': Infectious disease expert backs select travel bubbles

There is zero appetite for risk in this country anymore! We are doomed as a nation if we remain locked off to the rest of the world indefinitely.

Turnleft080 13th Oct 2020 12:20


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10903669)
Obvious, except its not that simple, is it?

Your post #473 regarding mask wearing illustrates -

"Come Thursday I think it means I'm going to have a criminal record."

Don't get me started on those horrible lack of O2, runny nose, filthy disgusting, nappies things that you place around your
face that keep touching and placing in your pocket. Look at all those lovely facial expressions. Look at everyone just looking at the ground
while walking. Let me guess, did I write something like this at post #473 without looking it up.
A mentally drained mind really needs all the O2 it can get.
II'I wear one not for good health, only because Dan says so. That's it.
All the graphs that go up & down, up & down again for the last 9 months will happen wearing a mask or not.
In fact they work like lockdowns. They will prolong the virus. Ventilation works better.

"Am I ever gonna see your mask again. No way, get masked, mask off."

currawong 13th Oct 2020 12:31


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10903686)
Don't get me started on those horrible lack of O2, runny nose, filthy disgusting, nappies things that you place around your
face that keep touching and placing in your pocket. Look at all those lovely facial expressions. Look at everyone just looking at the ground
while walking. Let me guess, did I write something like this at post #473 without looking it up.
A mentally drained mind really needs all the O2 it can get.
II'I wear one not for good health, only because Dan says so. That's it.
All the graphs that go up & down, up & down again for the last 9 months will happen wearing a mask or not.
In fact they work like lockdowns. They will prolong the virus. Ventilation works better.

"Am I ever gonna see your mask again. No way, get masked, mask off."

If it makes you feel any better, from the W.H.O -

"WHO has updated its guidance to advise that to prevent COVID-19 transmission effectively in areas of community transmission, governments should encourage the general public to wear masks"

https://www.who.int/publications/i/i...ncov)-outbreak


"Encourage" ;)

blubak 13th Oct 2020 21:07


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10903329)
Labor or Liberal diehards- who gives a fcvk right now? Let’s deal with COVID and pick the best leaders for the job.

If you could clone Gladys or Dan to run all the other states I know which one I would chose.

Couldnt agree more,what colour you wear or what political agenda you support has nothing to do with the best man for the job.
Let the facts make your mind up not what political party somebody in your family decided to vote for & advised you to go the same way & never consider the alternative.

minigundiplomat 13th Oct 2020 21:47


Quote:
Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
Labor or Liberal diehards- who gives a fcvk right now? Let’s deal with COVID and pick the best leaders for the job.

If you could clone Gladys or Dan to run all the other states I know which one I would chose.
Couldnt agree more,what colour you wear or what political agenda you support has nothing to do with the best man for the job.
Surely you mean best woman.......

blubak 14th Oct 2020 07:27


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 10903956)
Surely you mean best woman.......

Best man or woman,dont care what they are or what colour they represent,a good job is just that.

Transition Layer 14th Oct 2020 11:55

McCoward’s house of cards is looking shakier by the day:

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...14-p56549.html

vne165 14th Oct 2020 13:24

Agreed, the mistake of assuming broad support for hard borders will soon be revealed.

Green.Dot 14th Oct 2020 20:01

It backs up what many of us have suggested for a long time saying all states except Vic and NSW should have unrestricted travel between them. From the article...

“Premier Mark McGowan has been “caught out on his political decision” to keep WA’s border closed after his Chief Health Officer told a parliamentary inquiry the state could open to five of the other seven Australian jurisdictions.”

:ugh:


currawong 14th Oct 2020 20:21

The WA legislation sounds different to QLD...

Regarding the QLD border -

"The powers granted to the Chief Health Officer in a public health emergency are extensive."

"Although the final decision is made by the Chief Health Officer, the Premier is able to contribute information that the State Government considers relevant."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...harge/12753776


So in the QLD context at least, measures taken are unlikely to change regardless of the government of the day.

Given the calibre of our politicians, probably not a bad idea.





KRviator 20th Oct 2020 01:52

So, yeah. You can now fly from UnZud to New South Wales, the Territory or South Australia, either direct, or via Sydney - and not have to undergo quarantine. Yet you cannot fly from anywhere in Australia to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Westralia without being forced to undergo 2 weeks mandatory - but completely voluntary remember! - detention at your own cost...

Yep, we're certainly living up to that concept of Federation alright! :mad:

Ragnor 20th Oct 2020 02:16

TAS will open to NSW 2nd November. As proven NSW has the best contact tracing team in the country if not the world its been proven with their quick actions on potential breakouts that’s undeniable.

QLD and WA will find it harder to keep their borders closed past November without having to answer for it now. November will certainty be an interesting month for those two states. Hopefully QLD people have woken up to Queen P and that idiot SM who has demonstrated he is actually a child and should not be in the job.


getaway 21st Oct 2020 03:14

So apparently now, any Qlders can drive as far south as feral Byron Bay without restriction(not sure why anyone would want to, except to get drugs) & apparently now anyone from NSW including SYD can drive to Byron Bay without restriction, so Qlders & those from SYD can mix at Byron, but they can't fly SYD/BNE/SYD or BNE/SYD/BNE without restrictions/quarantine.

Is this nuts ?

brokenagain 21st Oct 2020 04:31


Is this nuts ?
Whilst I think it’s funny you started this thread under a different username and here you are again acting all sneaky sneaky with a new flash username, you do raise a very good point. It doesn’t really pass the pub test. It’s hard to see it as anything but political grandstanding.

With growing discontent in Queensland around the border closure, could we see a last minute pre election border announcement from Queen P as a cynical way to try win some more votes?

Ragnor 21st Oct 2020 09:23


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 10908595)

With growing discontent in Queensland around the border closure, could we see a last minute pre election border announcement from Queen P as a cynical way to try win some more votes?

This is exactly what she and that child idiot SM will do. They have the speech prepared already as to why the 28 days is no longer needed, it will involve ML doing so well so being close is no longer a greater threat as to what last week was blah blah blah.
To be honest I don’t want QLD ppl here, our testing is 3 times higher than theirs our contact tracing is ten fold Better than theirs and covid is running rampart in their sewage so one has to ask. Is QLD actually doing as good as they make out?

The even scarier thing is that QLD ppl will vote Queen P and Idiot SM back in which well.....I’ll stop there....

Ragnor 25th Oct 2020 19:48

Today is the day, lets see if Queen P and that idiot SM side kick of hers make a rational, science based announcement.

blubak 25th Oct 2020 20:27


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10911632)
Today is the day, lets see if Queen P and that idiot SM side kick of hers make a rational, science based announcement.

That side kick actually makes her look good(if thats possible),like u say comes out with all these useless statements that have no relevance to the issue hes attempting to get across.

Stickshift3000 26th Oct 2020 08:25


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10911632)
Today is the day, lets see if Queen P and that idiot SM side kick of hers make a rational, science based announcement.

Before the Qld election? Just won't happen...

Ladloy 26th Oct 2020 08:28

No excuses gladys! Don't be a hypocrite

Square Bear 26th Oct 2020 09:13

Interestingly this afternoon the online Courier Mail had an online article stating that a decision on the border full opening would be made on the Friday prior to Saturdays vote.

Within a very short time frame the article disappeared.

Lets see what happens.


slats11 26th Oct 2020 13:27


One of the best presentations you will ever see.

dr dre 26th Oct 2020 14:04


Originally Posted by slats11 (Post 10912136)
One of the best presentations you will ever see.

How could've there have been a hysteria about lockdowns in his country which never really locked down to begin with and has let the virus run rampant?

I don't think we need to listen to this guy (a history writer btw) or his moronic countrymen across the Pacific for medical advice, how about follow the lead of our neighbours to the near north who've controlled the situation far more successfully.

Ragnor 26th Oct 2020 19:37

This inept QLD are rally something. They are going to release a "road map" for border opening on Friday not sure why a road map is needed just open in damn thing, it shouldn't be closed anyway. In the mean time they let their resident hang out in Byron Bay without realizing over 1000 supposed highly infections and contagious Sydney and NSW people go.

layman 26th Oct 2020 21:09

Ragnor

The NSW border is still closed to people in Victoria.

Even NSW residents, who have only been in regional Victoria, have to spend two weeks quarantine in Sydney to get home.

And NSW still doesn’t have a roadmap or timeline for opening their border.


Square Bear 26th Oct 2020 21:46

Layman,
why would NSW need a roadmap or timeline for opening their border?.....Their borders are all ready open, with the only restrictions being to those that have been in Victoria within the last 14 days (with exceptions for Border residents etc). They are even allowing International NZ arrivals.

And fair in enough re restricting those who have been in Victoria. Even the Victorian Government is still cautious as to whether they have Covid under control or not......the Melbourne Metro still has the 25 mile “RIng of Steel”, so why would NSW allow unimpeded travel from Vic?

layman 26th Oct 2020 21:59

Regional Victoria is ‘banned’ as well even with lower case numbers than Sydney.

The ACT has a list of Victorian postcodes that can come to Canberra without quarantine but that seems too hard for NSW

Ragnor 26th Oct 2020 22:12


Originally Posted by layman (Post 10912374)
Ragnor

The NSW border is still closed to people in Victoria.

Even NSW residents, who have only been in regional Victoria, have to spend two weeks quarantine in Sydney to get home.

And NSW still doesn’t have a roadmap or timeline for opening their border.

Im sure even you, would agree Victoria is a different case all together. Gladys said this morning she is waiting to see if VIc ease restrictions further as she is of the opinion even Vic gov don’t have faith in their contact tracing.

layman 26th Oct 2020 23:17

Sorry. Can't agree..

It seems NSW are unable / unwilling / too lazy to differentiate between regional Victoria and Melbourne.

The ACT manages this by examining postcodes. Why can't NSW do the same?

NSW residents can't return home even when they have been in Covid free areas in Victoria for months - unless of course they fly from Melbourne to Sydney, quarantine for 2 weeks ($3,000), before driving home. Almost back to the border, Eden, in the case of one bloke I have spoken to. He hasn't been home to his family since before August. Pre-Covid, he used to drive home every 2nd weekend.

We're now able to transit through NSW back to the ACT, but this has only changed this week. The area we're in has had 2 Covid cases since April ..,,,,

getaway 27th Oct 2020 02:07


Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 (Post 10911904)
Before the Qld election? Just won't happen...

former qld premier beattie tells chukka to open borders asap

goodonyamate 29th Oct 2020 00:38

Well there goes qld. That moron is scared of her own shadow, and with the timing of four unlinked cases, we can kiss travel goodbye again. All because some peanut took a tour of Sydney whilst sick.

Ragnor 29th Oct 2020 00:40

Queen P is never going to open the border, not sure what would lead you to believe otherwise. W.A and QLD are just exposing their inadequate control of the virus. I understand they cant do what NSW are doing we just have to learn that those states will stay closed for the foreseeable future.

Buster Hyman 29th Oct 2020 00:52


Originally Posted by layman (Post 10912441)
It seems NSW are unable / unwilling / too lazy to differentiate between regional Victoria and Melbourne.

Would've been a great PR exercise to be open to Regional Vic. Especially when you consider (from an Aviation perspective) that there's multiple airports in Vic capable of sustaining QLink or Rex and/or currently are. Hell, there's even Avalon fer cryin' out loud!

I still believe that the State Govt's. are the masters of their own destiny and it's worth looking at how necessary it is for their existence.

blubak 29th Oct 2020 06:36


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10913924)
Well there goes qld. That moron is scared of her own shadow, and with the timing of four unlinked cases, we can kiss travel goodbye again. All because some peanut took a tour of Sydney whilst sick.

She needs to get her testing numbers up,it was great for her & her peanut sidekick to be sticking it into victoria when it suited but now she has to find another agenda.
No doubt the vic govt need to be made accountable for the hotel quarantine f up but overall the rules imposed(& yes,i hated them) have worked.
Almost 50,000 tests in the last 2 days,hopefully lo numbers continue.

Ragnor 29th Oct 2020 08:09

Yep I agree. QLD carry on as if they’re the best whilst only conducting 900-2500 test a day. VIC are now killing it hopefully their contact tracing is up to the task tho. Gladys made a few very valid comments on WA and QLD today I would love to see those premiers reply to her comments, they would have nothing.

Green.Dot 29th Oct 2020 08:33


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10914070)
Yep I agree. QLD carry on as if they’re the best whilst only conducting 900-2500 test a day. VIC are now killing it hopefully their contact tracing is up to the task tho. Gladys made a few very valid comments on WA and QLD today I would love to see those premiers reply to her comments, they would have nothing.

I can already see Anastasia Double-Chin pulling out the bullying card when everybody else “slams” their border shut to QLD when they have their turn at an outbreak.


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