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aussieflyboy 17th Nov 2021 04:05


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11143289)
The UK is set to require a booster shot to avoid Q if travelling.


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...ain-covid-pass


The ‘ let’s open up and get back to normal ‘ thing is a little more complicated than it appears.

No big deal for Aussies. Boosters are freely available for those who were vaccinated 6+ months ago.

SHVC 17th Nov 2021 05:48

Australia being very highly vaccinated the country will be in the high 80s maybe low 90s eventually. We won’t see domestic borders close again altho WA who are still in lockdown for the foreseeable future. I couldn’t be certain that an international border closure would occur again, that is still a strong possibility.

morno 17th Nov 2021 09:47

And now it’s made it’s way to an indigenous community that has a large amount of movement back and forth between there and a NW Qld indigenous community. That’ll be the beginning of the end

No Idea Either 17th Nov 2021 21:33

WA is not in “lock down”, there are still moving around quite freely within the State. They just won’t let anyone else in from the other States. More like “isolation” I think.

SHVC 17th Nov 2021 22:38

Isolation-lockdown what ever you want to call it. Locked down within your own state is a better term. You can leave but can return without 14 days quarantine …… unless you’re a cricketer then it’s 5 because covid only takes 5 days in cricketers.

Ladloy 18th Nov 2021 00:32


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11143810)
Isolation-lockdown what ever you want to call it. Locked down within your own state is a better term. You can leave but can return without 14 days quarantine …… unless you’re a cricketer then it’s 5 because covid only takes 5 days in cricketers.

SA, Tas and QLD residents are free to move through the state and vice versa.

Transition Layer 18th Nov 2021 10:14


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11143829)
SA, Tas and QLD residents are free to move through the state and vice versa.

Until those states shortly open up to VIC and NSW, at which point WA will likely go back to the “island within an island” mantra that MM loves!

Clare Prop 18th Nov 2021 15:24


Originally Posted by No Idea Either (Post 11143798)
WA is not in “lock down”, there are still moving around quite freely within the State. They just won’t let anyone else in from the other States. More like “isolation” I think.

Nonsense. People from TAS, QLD and SA can enter without quarantine and without being vaxxed.

There have been two lock downs since the pandemic began, each lasting 4 days.

We have had less cases and deaths since this began that Vic get in one day.

Foxxster 18th Nov 2021 20:37

Europe slides further towards lockdowns and restrictions. Do not go and if you know anyone planning a trip there including the UK in the next few months, advise them against it.
Even if countries only lockdown the unvaccinated, in Germany that is 14 million people. Think of the effect that is going to have on the number of workers available to staff restaurants, shops, public transport, hotels etc etc. And major events like Christmas markets are already being cancelled. Things are only going to get worse and probably quite rapidly.


The hardest-hit region has been Upper Austria, where the governor today called for restrictions on the un-jabbed to be scrapped - but only so that a full nationwide lockdown can be imposed instead.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ief-warns.html

StudentInDebt 18th Nov 2021 21:42


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11144079)
Nonsense. People from TAS, QLD and SA can enter without quarantine and without being vaxxed.

There have been two lock downs since the pandemic began, each lasting 4 days.

We have had less cases and deaths since this began that Vic get in one day.

Completely agree, there is no lockdown in WA. The states you list have enacted similar travel restrictions to states with COVID cases and NT was on there too until this week.
For the sake of accuracy, since the pandemic began there have been 3 "snap" lockdowns in WA this year - January, April and June, there was also an initial period of lockdown restrictions from mid-March to May 2020 (capacity restrictions remained in place for several more months).

Icarus2001 18th Nov 2021 22:23

The fact you can fly from Sydney or Melbourne to Europe but not WA shows we are no longer one country.
The damage this political mess has created will last a long time.


Europe slides further towards lockdowns and restrictions.
Looking at you source link I can see why you believe that. The media PREDICTIONS are not reality.

Ladloy 19th Nov 2021 00:01


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11144225)
The fact you can fly from Sydney or Melbourne to Europe but not WA shows we are no longer one country.
The damage this political mess has created will last a long time.



Looking at you source link I can see why you believe that. The media PREDICTIONS are not reality.

If only the PM took responsibility

Icarus2001 19th Nov 2021 00:21

I wish he COULD. The federal government cannot override State Health Acts.

I have said before, imagine ScoMo allowing flights into Perth Airport or Brisbane Airport, Federally controlled land AFP jurisdiction. Then the state police are on the road out of the airport throwing everyone into quarantine.

dr dre 19th Nov 2021 02:15


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11144195)
Europe slides further towards lockdowns and restrictions. Do not go and if you know anyone planning a trip there including the UK in the next few months, advise them against it.
Even if countries only lockdown the unvaccinated, in Germany that is 14 million people. Think of the effect that is going to have on the number of workers available to staff restaurants, shops, public transport, hotels etc etc. And major events like Christmas markets are already being cancelled. Things are only going to get worse and probably quite rapidly.


The hardest-hit region has been Upper Austria, where the governor today called for restrictions on the un-jabbed to be scrapped - but only so that a full nationwide lockdown can be imposed instead.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ief-warns.html

From the graph on the Daily Mail link we can see that France, Italy, Spain and Portugal are recording the slowest growth in new infections. They also happen to be the most vaccinated of all countries, with total vaccination rates of 75-80% (would equate to 90%+ of over 16s as used in Australia)

UK has a high vax rate too so their growth is in the middle, but they don’t have any other measures for the moment, vaccine passports plans were dropped. In Italy for instance they have a green pass system to enter a restaurant, bar or workplace and that combined with high vax is working to keep numbers down.

Places like Austria, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany have 65-70% total Vax numbers. They are the ones now debating imposing restrictions on the unvaccinated, and that alone has caused the vax rate to shoot up as the article states.

In Australia we have vaccine mandates, a greater will to implement vaccine passports plus will achieve a higher vax rate (95%+ of over 16s) before opening up and letting the virus fully circulate before next winter, so shouldn’t encounter the same problems.

The evidence from Europe is clear, very high vaccination rates plus use of a passport system and masks in high risk settings work well, along with restrictions on the unvaccinated. Moderate Vax rates and little or no restrictions on the unvaccinated is just not strong enough.

SOPS 19th Nov 2021 10:33


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11144225)
The fact you can fly from Sydney or Melbourne to Europe but not WA shows we are no longer one country.
The damage this political mess has created will last a long time.



Looking at you source link I can see why you believe that. The media PREDICTIONS are not reality.

Austria is going back into full lock down for at least 20 days. Germany tipped to follow. I think the predictions are becoming reality.

dr dre 19th Nov 2021 11:18


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11144400)
Austria is going back into full lock down for at least 20 days. Germany tipped to follow. I think the predictions are becoming reality.

For countries with low vax rates.

Austria had levelled off at 67% 1 dose and 64% 2 doses in the total population a few days ago, one of the lowest rates in Western Europe. Austria, for some reason, has had an abnormally high amount of influence from anti-vaxxers in it’s politcial sphere, the third biggest party in parliament is a far right party which has promoted anti-vaccine views, and a single issue anti vaccine party gained seats at the last election too. But these latest announcements have thankfully caused a spike in vaccinations in the last few days.

For comparison Australia is at 77% one dose and 70% two. This equates to 91% and 85% of over 16s. And climbing steadily whereas Austria levelled out well below.

SOPS 19th Nov 2021 12:30


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11144420)
For countries with low vax rates.

Austria had levelled off at 67% 1 dose and 64% 2 doses in the total population a few days ago, one of the lowest rates in Western Europe. Austria, for some reason, has had an abnormally high amount of influence from anti-vaxxers in it’s politcial sphere, the third biggest party in parliament is a far right party which has promoted anti-vaccine views, and a single issue anti vaccine party gained seats at the last election too. But these latest announcements have thankfully caused a spike in vaccinations in the last few days.

For comparison Australia is at 77% one dose and 70% two. This equates to 91% and 85% of over 16s. And climbing steadily whereas Austria levelled out well below.

Yes, I realise that. My point simply was, some of Europe is heading for another lock down.

Icarus2001 19th Nov 2021 12:51


Yes, I realise that. My point simply was, some of Europe is heading for another lock down.
So let’s agree then that one maybe two or three countries out of forty four MAY be going back into some form of lock down.
Agreed.

Ladloy 19th Nov 2021 20:04


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11144256)
I wish he COULD. The federal government cannot override State Health Acts.

I have said before, imagine ScoMo allowing flights into Perth Airport or Brisbane Airport, Federally controlled land AFP jurisdiction. Then the state police are on the road out of the airport throwing everyone into quarantine.

He did have the option to control hotel quarantine, order more vaccines earlier and implement a national plan. All of which he didn't do.

galdian 19th Nov 2021 20:55


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11144584)
He did have the option to control hotel quarantine, order more vaccines earlier and implement a national plan. All of which he didn't do.

OK we get it, you don't like ScoMo, fair enough.

Please don't continue to flog a dead horse - does nothing for the horse and makes the flogger appear unbalanced and unworthy.

Next year you get to express your displeasure at the ballot box - look forward to that time and when it comes let it rip! :ok:


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