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SHVC 5th Nov 2021 19:16

WA still playing border games! Covid is barley spoken about here why is MM still at code red

Maggie Island 6th Nov 2021 02:04


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11137559)
Looking at some numbers of vaccine refusers in various organisations by the time any mandate due dates occurred:

Royal Melbourne Hospital 0.4%
NSW Health 0.1%
SA Health less than 1%
Nationwide Aged Care workers: 0.3%
Qld Health: less than 2%
WA AMA members 0.02%

Vaccination rates will be over 90% in every state. There's far more anti vaxxers on social media than in real life.

I think the numbers of vaccine hesitant are quite consistent Australia wide, the numbers of lazy vaccinators in WA has gotta be right up there though:ugh:

Borders open in February would still be a tad optimistic imho

krismiler 6th Nov 2021 02:11

Vaccine refusers will be lower in industries where they are exposed to the effects of COVID or where jobs are dependent on being vaccinated, such as health care and aviation.

Once QLD opens up then Australia is basically open again. WA can sit in isolation, with NT, SA, and TAS not really mattering much in the grand scheme of things. With NSW and VIC open, the pressure is really on QLD to follow suit ASAP.

The "Brisbane Line" from WW2 still seems to be in effect.

ScepticalOptomist 6th Nov 2021 09:52


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11137559)
Looking at some numbers of vaccine refusers in various organisations by the time any mandate due dates occurred:

Royal Melbourne Hospital 0.4%
NSW Health 0.1%
SA Health less than 1%
Nationwide Aged Care workers: 0.3%
Qld Health: less than 2%
WA AMA members 0.02%

Vaccination rates will be over 90% in every state. There's far more anti vaxxers on social media than in real life.

Health workers in general are more likely to follow health advice, as you’d expect. Vaccine refusers don’t make up all the numbers unfortunately.

I hope we see over 90%, and I hope it doesn’t take too long for WA and QLD.

I’m off to book my booster shot - at least appointments are easy to get!

PoppaJo 6th Nov 2021 10:07

They are now sending out text messages to all residents of regional towns in QLD due to low uptake. Many of these towns have not even had 50% 1 dose yet. Some are still in the 30s and 40s! Many bigger places are also stuck in the low 70s.

Cairns and regions especially are not all that great either. Soon to be awash with covid as tens of thousands start to arrive and pass it on in a bit over 4 weeks.

You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.

Ladloy 6th Nov 2021 10:51


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11138085)
They are now sending out text messages to all residents of regional towns in QLD due to low uptake. Many of these towns have not even had 50% 1 dose yet. Some are still in the 30s and 40s! Many bigger places are also stuck in the low 70s.

Cairns and regions especially are not all that great either. Soon to be awash with covid as tens of thousands start to arrive and pass it on in a bit over 4 weeks.

You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.

Just see what is happening in the southern states of the US. It will be the same in QLD.

MickG0105 6th Nov 2021 11:58


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11138085)
You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.

You mean Her Excellency, the Governor of Queensland.

SHVC 6th Nov 2021 19:36


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11138085)
They are now sending out text messages to all residents of regional towns in QLD due to low uptake. Many of these towns have not even had 50% 1 dose yet. Some are still in the 30s and 40s! Many bigger places are also stuck in the low 70s.

Cairns and regions especially are not all that great either. Soon to be awash with covid as tens of thousands start to arrive and pass it on in a bit over 4 weeks.

You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.

“awash with covid” really!! Bloody he’ll mate NSW and VIC have been open for a while now and we are not “awash with covid” the fact is, numbers are still declining. NSW and VIC Ppl are not super spreaders so don’t look each individual thinking they are Covid is barley mentioned here now we have moved on. I didn’t even realize WA is still closed untill old mate made some noise to try and make himself relevant but, no one in this state cares anymore.

Ladloy 6th Nov 2021 20:04


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11138318)
“awash with covid” really!! Bloody he’ll mate NSW and VIC have been open for a while now and we are not “awash with covid” the fact is, numbers are still declining. NSW and VIC Ppl are not super spreaders so don’t look each individual thinking they are Covid is barley mentioned here now we have moved on. I didn’t even realize WA is still closed untill old mate made some noise to try and make himself relevant but, no one in this state cares anymore.

sure Sydney is doing fine. Just head into regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis. Higher than Sydney's case and death rate during peak delta and no one seems to care.

Lead Balloon 6th Nov 2021 22:08


The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis [in] regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury.
Precise areas and numbers, please.

AerialPerspective 6th Nov 2021 22:12


Originally Posted by Chad Gates (Post 11136428)
That’s great (I’m assuming you’re over east?). We in the west though are still very much effected by it. Not all of us are happy clappers like SOPS and the 3 blokes he knows who keep telling him at BBQ’s how much they love all this ;)

I think you mean affected. Different meaning if you're 'effected' e.g. "the process was effected by the pressing of the button" as opposed to "the entire state was affected by the pandemic".

SHVC 6th Nov 2021 22:54


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11138336)
sure Sydney is doing fine. Just head into regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis. Higher than Sydney's case and death rate during peak delta and no one seems to care.

This is the other blown out issue, attributing every cause death to "delta" sure they may have had covid when they passed, did it actually kill them, not in all cases. A good flu will kill an elderly person or immune compromised individual. Its time to move on and get on with life there is an economic storm coming which will have much more drastic effects than covid. If certain states want to stay locked away and come up with numbers that are not achievable for opening good on them leave them be.
The WHO need to down grade as its circulating relativity constant with in the world population.

Ladloy 7th Nov 2021 08:07


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11138371)
Precise areas and numbers, please.

Albury - 737 active cases and 9 deaths Since early October from Murrumbidgee health district
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....50b0a097db.png
- Going by this the cases would equate to 69278 active and 846 deaths in Sydney. In the space of 5 weeks. That's ONLY half of the twin city. From all reports from friends who live there in the medical field, the only hospital in Albury is full and unfit for covid patients. They have been moved to the cancer ward because it's the only place with up to date positive pressure facilities. Sydney and Melbourne won't take the patients either.

Southern health is south coast, Yass and Queanbeyan, reporting 424 cases since June, no report on deaths as I expect some are added to ACT numbers. Equivalent of 8500 sydney cases.

I'm not arguing for lockdowns or border closures, I'm just showing the facts that are hidden in the 'declining' numbers. It's all sunshine and rainbows in Sydney currently but some regional areas are hurting by decisions made 8 hours away. Per capita, regional areas are struggling and are more awash with covid than Sydney ever was.

Lead Balloon 7th Nov 2021 09:23

Then we’ll shortly see if your ‘astronomic’ numbers lead to catastrophic results.

Ladloy 7th Nov 2021 21:14


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11138504)
Then we’ll shortly see if your ‘astronomic’ numbers lead to catastrophic results.

You're missing my point, but anyway.

morno 7th Nov 2021 23:15


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11138746)
You're missing my point, but anyway.

What's your point? Do you want to live under a rock for the rest of your life?

Ladloy 7th Nov 2021 23:39


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11138777)
What's your point? Do you want to live under a rock for the rest of your life?

Exactly the opposite and I said that. I'm saying everyone is living under a rock with their ignorance that Sydney's numbers going down means it's a great success for the state.

Originally Posted by ladloy
I'm not arguing for lockdowns or border closures, I'm just showing the facts that are hidden in the 'declining' numbers.



My point is people think that opening up is great and everything is fine, but as usual, the Premier for Sydney, PM for Sydney and the Premier for Melbourne have forgotten about the regional areas which are under immense pressure by the crippled health system. There is next to no reporting on the issues facing regional areas because the numbers don't look alarming, but by a per capita standard they are much much worse than anything seen in Australia.

MickG0105 8th Nov 2021 00:15


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11138336)
sure Sydney is doing fine. Just head into regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis. Higher than Sydney's case and death rate during peak delta and no one seems to care.

You are bundling together three areas - "regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury" - that have markedly different COVID-19 outcomes.

If you look at NSW Health's Locally acquired COVID-19 cases for the last four weeks up to 8pm 6 November 2021 you see the following:

Queanbeyan-Palerang Regional local government area, population 62,500 (0.8 percent of the total NSW population) had 1.1 percent of the cases (78 out of 6,979 cases); an over-representation of some 37.5 percent.

Illawarra Shoalhaven local health district, population 387,600 (4.7 percent) had 4.7 percent of the cases (328); no over-representation.

Southern NSW local health district, population about 220,000 (2.7 percent) had 1.6 percent of the cases (112); an under-representation of about 40 percent.

Murrumbidgee local health district (includes Albury), population 242,840 (3.0 percent) had 9.7 percent of the cases (678); an over-representation of some 225 percent.

Albury local government area, population 54,350 (0.7 percent) had 8 percent of the cases (556); an over-representation of some 1,000 percent.

Very clearly, Albury should be a concern but that concern needs to be tempered against the relatively small population.

Noting that we are dealing with four weeks worth of data, the aggregated cases per capita for the various areas/districts are:
  • Queanbeyan-Palerang Regional LGA - 1.25 cases/1,000 population
  • Illawarra Shoalhaven LHD - 0.85 cases/1,000 population
  • Southern NSW LHD - 0.51 cases/1,000 population
  • Murrumbidgee LHD - 2.8 cases/1,000 population
  • Albury LGA - 10.23 cases/1,000 population
At the peak of outbreak we were seeing 4 week aggregated cases per capita in excess of 11-12 cases/1,000 population in Western amd South Western Sydney. And those districts had populations some twenty times larger than Albury's.

SRFred 8th Nov 2021 00:28

Much of the Queanbeyan-Palerang and Yass LGAs were in the Canberra bubble and IMO should be considered along with the ACT figures as they were free to travel in and out of the ACT without restriction.

43Inches 8th Nov 2021 00:35


At the peak of outbreak we were seeing 4 week aggregated cases per capita in excess of 11-12 cases/1,000 population in Western amd South Western Sydney. And those districts had populations some twenty times larger than Albury's.
Also the huge matter of population density. You have to be in close contact to transmit/contract covid, which requires high population densities or large congregations on regular basis. The factors for transmission to get out of control in country Australia is just not there with simple precautions. Melbourne suffers greatly from high density and centralised gatherings, meaning covid spreads like a grassfire at the end of summer. Sydney has high density but much more segregated population with several main population centers separated by topography, that don't interact like in Melbourne. A bit like Geelong has weathered the storm fairly well due to it being remote from Melbourne both physically and to a point socially.

Country Australia is also very different in how society interacts compared to say the USA, which have more social interactions that promote the spread.


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