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WingNut60 27th Oct 2021 03:32


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 11132542)
To a degree I think you just have to ignore WA, things will change only when interested parties indicate their concerns/problems to MM and he finally decides to "pivot", draw your own timeline.

Some of that maybe - second hand - but a friend from east coast wanted some travel, initially booked Porn* early April to Bali, now early Feb and required covid insurance for $80.00 available on arrival, imagine have to be supported/underwritten by the Indonesian government.
As with all insurance "read the fine print" but believe that's what's available.

Along with the WA mining companies staff shortages there'd be more than a few locals wondering why east coast can fly to Bali - but WA can't.

And yet, Smartraveller advises :


You must apply for a visa in advance of travelling to Indonesia. Contact your nearest Indonesian Embassy or Consulate for information. To enter Indonesia, travellers aged 12 and above must have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before travel. You must have evidence of medical insurance coverage for COVID-19. Local authorities may also require you to install and use the COVID-19 ‘Peduli Lindungi’ app. You must meet COVID-19 testing requirements and quarantine at a hotel for five days in the city of arrival. Contact your travel provider for up-to-date details.

We continue to advise:

Do not travel to Indonesia, including Bali, due to the health risks from the COVID-19 pandemic and the significant disruptions to global travel.
Yeah, I can hardly wait.

galdian 27th Oct 2021 04:20

Lots happening, maybe smarttraveller not updated quite yet?

Dunno, he's done his research, doesn't want to quarantine and the available medical insurance on arrival looks legit.

Also said when the February flights announced took a couple of days for porn* BC to only have 2 seats left so looks like there will be demand from some/many who are vaccd and decide to get on with life.

43Inches 27th Oct 2021 04:29

The DFAT warning will hold current until borders officially open and then countries, provinces, cities will have more specific warnings if Covid is a risk factor.

The insurance companies will take your money, as the condition on insurance just says that the DFAT warning is not current at 'time of travel', and to postpone or change travel to that location if it is. It's your responsibility to ensure you comply with terms and conditions of travel at the required time. Insurance, Warranties, etc are worth nothing if the fine print is not complied with.

WingNut60 27th Oct 2021 04:34


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 11132831)
Lots happening, maybe smarttraveller not updated quite yet?
.....

That update was issued on Monday.

43Inches 27th Oct 2021 04:37

I would say DFAT will not be updated until 1st of November when you are allowed to travel without an exemption. We are still under a blanket ban for travel so DFAT reflects that. That does not mean the advice will definitely change then, but it can't until that date.

Dannyboy39 27th Oct 2021 06:47


Originally Posted by logansi (Post 11132380)
No Tennis Australia is saying they can come but the Federal governments saying they won't get a Visa.

Scotty from Marketing has overruled this and is saying they can come into Aus. Got to love consistency.

Chronic Snoozer 27th Oct 2021 08:36


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11132854)
Scotty from Marketing has overruled this and is saying they can come into Aus. Got to love consistency.

Yeah and we have to be double vaxxed to leave. WTF.

C441 27th Oct 2021 22:04


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11132891)
Yeah and we have to be double vaxxed to leave. WTF.

I'm guessing that would be to ensure you are double vaxed when you return…...

Koizi 28th Oct 2021 03:50

https://www.traveller.com.au/austral...warning-h1zfok

DFAT to remove global do not travel warning.

WingNut60 28th Oct 2021 04:16


Originally Posted by Koizi (Post 11133304)
https://www.traveller.com.au/austral...warning-h1zfok

DFAT to remove global do not travel warning.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Indonesia.

They just released a travel advice on Monday (24/10) affirming "Do not travel" for Indonesia.
Why would you do that if you intended to remove it just four days later???

Right hand not knowing................... etc??

Cloudee 28th Oct 2021 06:20


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11132854)
Scotty from Marketing has overruled this and is saying they can come into Aus. Got to love consistency.

Vic Premier Dan has overruled Scotty and said unvaccinated tennis players won’t be competing in Victoria.

Chronic Snoozer 28th Oct 2021 09:30


Originally Posted by C441 (Post 11133218)
I'm guessing that would be to ensure you are double vaxed when you return…...

Sure. But to then allow unvaccinated tennis players to enter? Seems a tad hypocritical.

galdian 28th Oct 2021 12:02


Originally Posted by Cloudee (Post 11133322)
Vic Premier Dan has overruled Scotty and said unvaccinated tennis players won’t be competing in Victoria.

OK so where's the 2022 Oz open going to be held?

Perth's a no-go, Sydney the most obvious as probably most obliging, perhaps Brissie or Adelaide outside bets??

No offence to other capitals but difficult to handle the scale of the event.

I am of course assuming that Chairman Dan would never renounce that which he has announced!
Cheers

601 28th Oct 2021 14:02


Vic Premier Dan has overruled Scotty and said unvaccinated tennis players won’t be competing in Victoria.
How did Dan overrule the PM?
One controls the State borders the other controls the International borders.
Your statement would have credence if Dan overruled the decision on the international borders.

Derfred 29th Oct 2021 01:26

I don’t think there is actually any contradiction.

Scotty said “same rule for everyone, no exceptions” - and that rule is unvaccinated entry is allowed, you just need 14 days’ quarantine.

Dan said “same rule for everyone, no exceptions” - and that rule is you must be vaccinated to attend or participate in the Australian Open.

So Novak is welcome to come and watch the Australian Open on TV from quarantine at the Tullamarine Holiday Inn, but that’s as close as he’ll get to it.

AceMT 29th Oct 2021 01:29


Originally Posted by Slezy9 (Post 10797847)
You following events in the USA?

The USA is bad right now. I can tell you it is nowhere near as bad as Australia and NZ. We have relinquished some freedoms here, but down under you people are lost. You will NEVER get back the freedoms you have given away so easily. I have traveled to almost 100 countries and previously loved both A & NZ, but I wouldn't go back now if you gave me a free first class ticket.

Oh wait, you wouldn't let me in anyway since I haven't taken the mandatory poison...

dr dre 29th Oct 2021 01:40


Originally Posted by AceMT (Post 11133762)
The USA is bad right now. I can tell you it is nowhere near as bad as Australia and NZ. We have relinquished some freedoms here, but down under you people are lost. You will NEVER get back the freedoms you have given away so easily. I have traveled to almost 100 countries and previously loved both A & NZ, but I wouldn't go back now if you gave me a free first class ticket.

Oh wait, you wouldn't let me in anyway since I haven't taken the mandatory poison...

Oh well I guess 750,000 dead, the biggest mass death event in US history, is the trade off.

Could you list the “freedoms” Australia supposedly has given away? From your statement you seem to be in the US and relying on American media for your view of Australia, perhaps you watched Tucker Carlson’s show to form your view.

If you’re talking about vaccines for entry a non US citizen needs proof of vaccination to enter the US as well you know.

neville_nobody 29th Oct 2021 02:06


Could you list the “freedoms” Australia supposedly has given away? From your statement you seem to be in the US and relying on American media for your view of Australia, perhaps you watched Tucker Carlson’s show to form your view.
Well lets start with the freedom of movement within your own country without restriction or prejudice. Then let's look at the powers that Daniel Andrews wants passed in Victoria. When are these "emergency powers" going to end around the country? What is the trigger to even end them? Even the most lefty American would be horrified by what is going on here, it's a joke.

Lead Balloon 29th Oct 2021 02:24

...And the freedom of an Australian citizen to return to his or her own country.

aviation_enthus 29th Oct 2021 03:22


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11133766)
If you’re talking about vaccines for entry a non US citizen needs proof of vaccination to enter the US as well you know.

Ahhhh no. This is NOT a requirement to enter the USA. Any arrival over 2 years old MUST have a negative PCR test and sign a form to state they have done a test or had COVID in the last 3 months.

No requirement to be vaccinated (even as non-citizen).

However the CDC “recommends” if you are unvaccinated, you isolate and get another test after arrival.

Unlike Australia, “recommend” is not enforced, I’ve travelled to the USA twice this year with family, we were never asked about our vaccination status.




Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11133784)
...And the freedom of an Australian citizen to return to his or her own country.

Hear, hear!!!

“oh but you were always allowed to return”…..

If you were travelling for business (company pays) or you were a single traveller, yes. But if you didn’t have the cash, forget it ($50,000+ for a family).

Is that the “egalitarian” country we all thought we lived in???


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