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Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 03:22


Originally Posted by GaryGnu (Post 11126643)
The Federal Government can decide who can cross the border into Australia and the conditions under which they do so. Sure the Feds could impose a quarantine requirement but then they would have to administer and deliver it. That is something they have shown no inclination to take on since March 2020.

NSW is getting out of the quarantine game for vaccinated arrivals from 01 November. Who is going to take over?

The moment an international traveller steps foot outside a terminal they will be free to do as they wish inside NSW.

The real question is how long the other states/territories will be able to justify their own quarantine requirements from now on.

Not sure what you mean here, it contradicts itself. The Federal Government is unlikely to open the International Borders until all the States are ready and agree to do so.
In the case when one or two states are holding out, then the borders can still be open Nationally and any restrictions into any one state is on that state alone.

CaptCloudbuster 15th Oct 2021 03:42

Brilliant political play by the NSW Premier. Will force Morrison to actually take responsibility and make a decision that will have personal Political consequences for him. Will Morrison decide to finally take up the Fed quarantine responsibility or decide to ban / allow unfettered double vaccinated inbound travel?

GaryGnu 15th Oct 2021 03:52


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11126647)
Not sure what you mean here, it contradicts itself. The Federal Government is unlikely to open the International Borders until all the States are ready and agree to do so.

Perhaps I am succumbing to my own optimism Xeptu. But equally, I cannot see how you can be so adamant about what the Feds will or will not do. Effectively, the NSW government is sending a signal to Canberra, and elsewhere, saying "we are ready, let 'em in". I for one hope that the Feds respond by saying "OK, here they come".


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11126647)
In the case when one or two states are holding out, then the borders can still be open Nationally and any restrictions into any one state is on that state alone.

So what about the inverse situation where one state is ahead of the others and is prepared to accept the risk and reward of allowing travellers across the border?

Icarus2001 15th Oct 2021 03:57

So what if ScoMo says the international border is now "open" with no quarantine reqquirement on arrival for vaccinated travellers.

Perth Airport is now open for business.

McGowan says no way. His authority ends at the airport boundary does it not? Federal land and all that, AFP jurisdiction not WAPOL.

Would be an interesting little exercise.

Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 04:00


Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster (Post 11126650)
Brilliant political play by the NSW Premier. Will force Morrison to actually take responsibility and make a decision that will have personal Political consequences for him. Will Morrison decide to finally take up the Fed quarantine responsibility or decide to ban / allow unfettered double vaccinated inbound travel?

I understood there will be no quarantine for any double vaxxed inbound passengers anywhere. Only the unvaxxed, but then you can't come in anyway, it's a double vaxxed and a negative test prior to departure. Quarantine is federal anyway for International Inbound Passengers. I'm not sure about outbreaks and close contacts sent into quarantine, I think that's State.

Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 04:03


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11126653)
So what if ScoMo says the international border is now "open" with no quarantine reqquirement on arrival for vaccinated travellers.

Perth Airport is now open for business.

McGowan says no way. His authority ends at the airport boundary does it not? Federal land and all that, AFP jurisdiction not WAPOL.

Would be an interesting little exercise.

Oh come on, if the state is closed to arrivals that's it, no different to a domestic turn around enroute, which has happened.

SOPS 15th Oct 2021 04:07

ScoMo has just said that the Federal Government controls the borders. No tourists yet. Only returning Australians will be allowed to start with.

Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 04:07


Originally Posted by GaryGnu (Post 11126652)
So what about the inverse situation where one state is ahead of the others and is prepared to accept the risk and reward of allowing travellers across the border?

Then the International Borders are open and thus ends the National State of Emergency. An individual state can remain closed to both either or International or Domestic Travel.

That wasn't the plan though, it was all of us together, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in stages as you say.

SHVC 15th Oct 2021 04:17


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11126640)
I'm not sure the Feds can open the International Borders to just one state. An overly enthusiastic new Premier perhaps.

They can, and they just did. NSW open for returning Australians and immediate family which is being looked at to being expanded to parents, permanent residents are also allowed to freely leave for holiday and return with no quarantine into NSW with proof of TGA approved double vaccination. Sco Mo also said “Australians are allowed to leave freely” meaning WA residents are free to leave Aus and return, however, will be subject to their own state requirements getting to their residents where ever that is.

Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 04:24


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11126660)
They can, and they just did. NSW open for returning Australians and immediate family which is being looked at to being expanded to parents, permanent residents are also allowed to freely leave for holiday and return with no quarantine into NSW with proof of TGA approved double vaccination. Sco Mo also said “Australians are allowed to leave freely” meaning WA residents are free to leave Aus and return, however, will be subject to their own state requirements getting to their residents where ever that is.

Another case of what was said and what is understood to have been said. All of the states have been open to returning Australians albeit in limited numbers and on occasions no entry at all to an individual state. Australians leaving can but not so freely and returning has always been subject to conditions.

KRviator 15th Oct 2021 04:34


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11126660)
They can, and they just did. NSW open for returning Australians and immediate family which is being looked at to being expanded to parents, permanent residents are also allowed to freely leave for holiday and return with no quarantine into NSW with proof of TGA approved double vaccination. Sco Mo also said “Australians are allowed to leave freely” meaning WA residents are free to leave Aus and return, however, will be subject to their own state requirements getting to their residents where ever that is.

And that could be what The Dom is looking forward to.

If McGoose or Anna-Stayaway continue to refuse permission to enter to anyone who has been in NSW, then any QLD/WA residents can fly back in to Oz, and will have to stay in NSW spending their $$ there rather than their home state. Who knows, he might even convince a few of them to stay in NSW with the logic "We did the righty by you, your own Premier turned their back & disowned you!" :}

Icarus2001 15th Oct 2021 04:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
So what if ScoMo says the international border is now "open" with no quarantine reqquirement on arrival for vaccinated travellers.

Perth Airport is now open for business.

McGowan says no way. His authority ends at the airport boundary does it not? Federal land and all that, AFP jurisdiction not WAPOL.

Would be an interesting little exercise.

Oh come on, if the state is closed to arrivals that's it, no different to a domestic turn around enroute, which has happened.

Domestic is a different beast to international.

SHVC 15th Oct 2021 04:50


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11126662)
Another case of what was said and what is understood to have been said. All of the states have been open to returning Australians albeit in limited numbers and on occasions no entry at all to an individual state. Australians leaving can but not so freely and returning has always been subject to conditions.

Yeah ok what ever. We all know you’re dead set against moving on and living. Ppl will be able to enter NSW that’s what was said.

CaptCloudbuster 15th Oct 2021 05:06


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11126654)
Quarantine is federal anyway for International Inbound Passengers.

Always has been per the Constitution. “National Cabinet” convened and SCOMO conveniently palmed off his responsibility to the States. My point is he now has to actually make a decision and wear the consequences.

SOPS above reports he’s done just that.

dr dre 15th Oct 2021 05:19


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11126609)
I believe the remaining states won't be that far behind NSW including WA.

The CEO of Cricket Australia revealed today the discussions regarding the next Ashes test series that've been ongoing between the relevant parties and governments, indicating the series will go ahead as scheduled and they're happy with the negotiations with the WA government regarding the viability of the fifth test in Perth.

The 4th test ends in Sydney on Jan 9 and then the 5th test starts in Perth on the 14th. Obviously isn't going to be a 14 day quarantine in place by then.

Buster Hyman 15th Oct 2021 05:20

Wow. After all this time, people still don't know how the Quarantine arrangements work between Federal & State. :rolleyes:

Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 06:17


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11126668)
Yeah ok what ever. We all know you’re dead set against moving on and living. Ppl will be able to enter NSW that’s what was said.

Mate that's really not fair, I'm a realist and say it like it is. The New NSW Premier does not have the powers to open his International Border, that's a Federal Government responsibility.

Now just a heads up, Emperor McGowan is likely to have some fun in the media with the new Liberal Premier, don't take it too seriously.

P.S We need a title for the new King of Liliput following the Slaying of Queen Gladys

itsnotthatbloodyhard 15th Oct 2021 06:51


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11126681)

Now just a heads up, Emperor McGowan is likely to have some fun in the media with the new Liberal Premier, don't take it too seriously.

McGowan is a man who doesn’t look like he’s ever had a moment’s fun in his entire life.

SHVC 15th Oct 2021 07:24

I’m a realist as much as you, and what DP has done is put SM balls in a noose! He went one way sco mo has now made it his own political agenda to go against him as he does not want to upset the voters of other states.

McGowen is a person that actually has not done a thing in his life! WA is an absolute mess he is riding the closed border covid wave and the that is the main reason he won in a landslide!

Now Gladys, her resignation is the best thing that happened to NSW I was a fan of her but her saying one thing doing another was getting old. Remember her saying the 11am would stop but the next day, the next day and after that there she was still doing them.

Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 07:31


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11126698)
I’m a realist as much as you, and what DP has done is put SM balls in a noose! He went one way sco mo has now made it his own political agenda to go against him as he does not want to upset the voters of other states.

McGowen is a person that actually has not done a thing in his life! WA is an absolute mess he is riding the closed border covid wave and the that is the main reason he won in a landslide!

Now Gladys, her resignation is the best thing that happened to NSW I was a fan of her but her saying one thing doing another was getting old. Remember her saying the 11am would stop but the next day, the next day and after that there she was still doing them.

Mostly agreed, however that's politics, if a politician is going to appear in the media and sprout sh#t then they should expect a hosing down, that's what we Aussies do. The new King of Lilliput won't be any different, except he has the luxury of joining the race in the last 50 metres. Personally I think he's blown it already, lets see what happens.


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