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AerialPerspective 1st Oct 2021 06:52

News in the last few hours which I'm sure everyone has heard via other means but Gladys has resigned. Expects the party to elect a new leader/Premier in the next few days and she will also resign from Parliament.

Apparently the ICAC Inquiry hasn't gone away and she's seen a sword and fallen on it.

blubak 1st Oct 2021 07:20


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11119398)
Victoria reported 1,438 cases yesterday.

Also reported that 93% of these cases were unvaccinated.

In a couple of weeks about 7% of theses cases will end up in hospital (~100) with about 1% (~14) likely to end up in ICU.

The unvaccinated are going to cause the hospital system grief for some time yet.

Thats a huge % unvaccinated,i guess there will always be those who shout conspiracy but for the average guy in the street why would you take the risk.

lc_461 1st Oct 2021 08:34

With ScoMo opening the international borders, I can now feasibly travel Sydney to Singapore, before I can go to Brisbane or Perth. Or Adelaide or Hobart for that matter.
A pleasing step but still incredibly frustrating!

StudentInDebt 1st Oct 2021 09:38


Originally Posted by lc_461 (Post 11119533)
With ScoMo opening the international borders, I can now feasibly travel Sydney to Singapore, before I can go to Brisbane or Perth. Or Adelaide or Hobart for that matter.
A pleasing step but still incredibly frustrating!

is that correct?

https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/australia/atp/notice

Short-term visitors with travel history to Australia, within the last 21 days before departure for Singapore, will not be allowed to enter Singapore with effect from 2 July 2021, 2359hrs (Singapore time). Please refer to the press release here issued by the Singapore Ministry of Health (MOH) dated 30 June 2021.

With immediate effect, applications for the ATP for short-term visitors travelling from Australia will be suspended until further notice.


Colonel_Klink 1st Oct 2021 10:05


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 11119484)
News in the last few hours which I'm sure everyone has heard via other means but Gladys has resigned. Expects the party to elect a new leader/Premier in the next few days and she will also resign from Parliament.

Apparently the ICAC Inquiry hasn't gone away and she's seen a sword and fallen on it.

Let’s hope this has no bearing on NSW’s plan to open up….

Angle of Attack 1st Oct 2021 10:57

is that correct?

https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/australia/atp/notice
Quote:
Short-term visitors with travel history to Australia, within the last 21 days before departure for Singapore, will not be allowed to enter Singapore with effect from 2 July 2021, 2359hrs (Singapore time). Please refer to the press release here issued by the Singapore Ministry of Health (MOH) dated 30 June 2021.

With immediate effect, applications for the ATP for short-term visitors travelling from Australia will be suspended until further notice.

Not sure about SIN, that info is a little old but UK and USA will be fine. I think there is a slight issue with the US recognising the Aussie AZ but that will be sorted. If SIN still hold the same requirements well, they are destroying their hopes of them being an effective hub carrier. In fact I think a lot of the big hub carriers futures are in doubt.


AerialPerspective 1st Oct 2021 11:14


Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink (Post 11119589)
Let’s hope this has no bearing on NSW’s plan to open up….

I doubt it will, but it's probably more bad news for Morrison, a scandal in the biggest State and one he's accused of being PM of (a la 'Prime Minister for NSW') as it's one of the States he has to hold in next years election. Although there has been some signs (such as not confirming he's going to Glasgow later in the year) that some are pointing to as potential that we could be looking at a November/December Federal Election. IMHO that would be idiotic, just out of lockdown to put poeple in queues at polling places just to make sure there's every chance for the virus to spread.......

Ladloy 1st Oct 2021 21:51


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 11119623)
I doubt it will, but it's probably more bad news for Morrison, a scandal in the biggest State and one he's accused of being PM of (a la 'Prime Minister for NSW') as it's one of the States he has to hold in next years election. Although there has been some signs (such as not confirming he's going to Glasgow later in the year) that some are pointing to as potential that we could be looking at a November/December Federal Election. IMHO that would be idiotic, just out of lockdown to put poeple in queues at polling places just to make sure there's every chance for the virus to spread.......

Judging by the 'should've been Dan' content on social media I doubt there will be any effect on voting intention.

Green.Dot 2nd Oct 2021 03:04


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11119904)
Judging by the 'should've been Dan' content on social media I doubt there will be any effect on voting intention.

Difference is Dan wouldn’t have resigned or stepped aside. So we’d be stuck with him regardless, just like now. Sadly the slogan hasn’t aged well.


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Ladloy 2nd Oct 2021 03:38


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 11119963)
Difference is Dan wouldn’t have resigned or stepped aside. So we’d be stuck with him regardless, just like now. Sadly the slogan hasn’t aged well.


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That's a big assumption

AerialPerspective 2nd Oct 2021 05:12


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11119904)
Judging by the 'should've been Dan' content on social media I doubt there will be any effect on voting intention.

Maybe check the reputation of the LNP in the Hunter and surrounding regions, all areas the Feds need to hold or gain to retain office. Despite ScoMo's perceived actions during Covid, he and his government really deserve to lose for what has now been 9 years of failure on every front and yet another revolving door of PMs - I'm really looking forward to the fibre I'm now going to get to my house (NBN) after this shower said it was too expensive, then spent billions more to replace copper with copper and are now planning to spend billions on top to put the fibre in anyway. That is just one example, apart from threatening to lock up journalists, lawyers and anyone else who goes against them (many volunteer organisations have been screwed by this government because of their comments against its social policies such as robo-debt and the like), stacking the FWC and the AAT, the latter with people with zero experience but an affiliation to their ideology, allowing the aged-care sector to descend into chaos despite being warned. Too many others to list, including rorts that basically paid their way to an election victory and were deliberately hidden. Jesus Christ, back a few years ago, Dutton even considered raiding the journalist and other person(s) who he thought might have leaked the 'Au Pairs' info.

I don't care what people think of the ALP, they couldn't possibly be worse than these morons.

And, just a tip, social media (aka 'twitter storms' and 'trending' on facebook) are basically an amplification of a vocal minority, they do not represent reality. The Victorian people on a whole are widely supportive of Dan Andrews - the so-called protesters are NOT protesters, they are rancid scum who throw rocks, bottles and urine on police and journalists and desecrate public property and they do not confine themselves to those acts either, with many health organisations having had to direct their nurses and doctors to remove or cover up any identifying clothing or badges/passes to avoid what has happened recently, including abuse of health workers in the street on their way to work and the closure of a vaccination hub because health workers were abused and were doused in urine. Not many Victorians have problems with the police dousing them in capsicum spray or using rubber bullets because they are sick to death of these morons on our streets (not to mention the thousands of cases of Covid that have resulted).

I actually think there's a coiled spring in the electorate that is just waiting to take out all it's frustrations on Morrison and his government.

The last election (2019) when people were all saying the ALP and Shorten were going to trounce the LNP, I was saying that the election was going to be a LOT closer than everyone and the polls were saying. This time I estimate it will be a lot LESS close than people expect, there is a feeling out there that just one too many lies and BS excuses has been spouted by the happy-clappy-slogan-bogan and like happened with Howard, he just lied too many times and eventually people decided whatever came next was worth a try.

I'm not taking a position or advocating what should happen, despite my feelings about the pathetic performance of this government (I could say the same about pink bats) but just what I see in comments people make to me, there is a palpable sense of anger and it's not what is imagined to be portrayed by the rioters and their Sky After Dark amplification system.

Keg 2nd Oct 2021 06:35

If Twitter was the real world the Greens would be in charge, the entire nation would be in lock down, and those fortunate to be working would be paying 60% in tax.

43Inches 2nd Oct 2021 07:44

Judging by what I see on my feeds a lot of 'Dan' haters don't even live in Victoria. Same as those hating on McGowan are not from WA. Not saying that anti Dan people don't exist in Victoria and Melbourne, they most definitely do, but a lot of the waft is from people not in that state. As far as the so called tradie protests, every tradie I know hates them because they blame them for not being able to work, not Dan. Apparently there's a glut of 'only used once' hi-vis work wear on ebay since the protests.


and those fortunate to be working would be paying 60% in tax.
That's not far off the true situation for any high earner when you add in GST, import duties, hidden taxes and stamp duties, fuel exise, etc etc.

Ladloy 2nd Oct 2021 07:52


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 11120002)
If Twitter was the real world the Greens would be in charge, the entire nation would be in lock down, and those fortunate to be working would be paying 60% in tax.

If you're the top 5% of income earners maybe, but a quick look through their taxation policy there's nothing to say they want to increase tax on the median income.

Telfer86 4th Oct 2021 06:17

Its hard not to bite on Political Dogma you have to put up with in Vic

Number plates that proudly proclaim "The Education State" , my understanding is that the calibre of year 12 standards in Vic is now pretty much the lowest
of the mainland states from likely at the to in 70/80s (thanks Joan)

Can somebody answer me this please

Cases currently circa 1500 per day in Melbourne/Vict (its a one city state), and rising rapidly - could bust through 3000 in a couple of weeks (& let's just
hope that does not happen)

Who will let Melb people into their state for Christmas - 80 days away ?

WA definite no, Tas seems very cautious - I would say no

Qld probably no ? ; story the other day about a ton of qld residents being locked out camping on NSW border , waiting to return to Qld for long time now

SA , not sure ; NT - who knows

NSW again not sure , the challenge might be getting back to Victoria from NSW

Great the vax rates are going up but even at >70% , nudging 80% of over 16s are the non-covid states really going to say
yes we don't give a rats about your case numbers , they have no relevance - the Vics are more than welcome to travel to our state

Would very much like to take a break from Melb (full vax etc) , but for the life of me would not understand why a covid-free jurisdiction would
let us in as we will bring death & destruction to you

Why also is Vict talking about "opening up" and easing restrictions when the graph of +ve case numbers is looking , well really rather vertical
What am I missing in this little scenario , why can't I see the happy & wonderful picture(succulent Roast Turkeys & families together from all over Australia)
that the Politicians seem to repeat & repeat & repeat ?





SHVC 4th Oct 2021 06:26

Because you have to open up, you can not stay locked away expecting to get to and stay at zero covid it’s lunacy. Open the god damn country up.

PoppaJo 4th Oct 2021 07:04


Originally Posted by Telfer86 (Post 11120907)

Would very much like to take a break from Melb (full vax etc) , but for the life of me would not understand why a covid-free jurisdiction would
let us in as we will bring death & destruction to you

Watch these idiots up North here shortly. They will open up, and as it should, virus in and people infected. Borders closed and Lockdown imposed. Life will be good down South.

Anna won’t be imposing lockdown restrictions on me at 90%. Police can fine me all they want. Absolute madness. Canavan will have a meltdown.


KRviator 4th Oct 2021 09:21

Even Jacinda has revoked her "Covid-Zero" target today. I do thoroughly enjoy how politicians everywhere weasel out of their previous commitments.


Under mounting pressure, Ms Ardern said her strategy was never to have zero cases, but to aggressively stamp out the virus.
We don't want Covid Zero but we do want to aggressively stamp out the virus. Idungeddit...:ugh:

Ladloy 4th Oct 2021 10:26


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11120979)
Even Jacinda has revoked her "Covid-Zero" target today. I do thoroughly enjoy how politicians everywhere weasel out of their previous commitments.

We don't want Covid Zero but we do want to aggressively stamp out the virus. Idungeddit...:ugh:

That was always part of the plan though? Not to weasel but to progressively move to living with covid ONCE the vaccine numbers are reached. Gladys just forced it early resulting in more deaths.

Fuel-Off 5th Oct 2021 04:34

[QUOTE=Gladys just forced it early resulting in more deaths.[/QUOTE]

Good luck with getting people vaccinated promptly with no virus about. Look no further than those sand gropers out West and banana benders up North. They lag behind the rest of the country with vaccinations because there's no virus!

The outbreaks that NSW and VIC are experiencing now is the cricket bat to the face that the country needed to collectively wake up the population that they are not immune from this worldwide pandemic.


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