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brokenagain 9th Oct 2021 21:26


As soon as NSW and Victoria explode, you can forget any hope of WA borders coming down, Mark McGowan had stated clearly he is waiting to see what happens on the Eastern States.
Watch the tune of Sandgropers start to change once they see New South Welshmen and Victorians travelling overseas.

If only Chairman MaoGowan had spent the last 18 months bolstering his faltering health system instead of playing border politics he might not be in this position where he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Same goes for Palacechook and her work experience child deputy premier up north.

krismiler 10th Oct 2021 00:23

In Singapore, the experience has been that +98% of COVID cases have little or no symptoms, 1% need oxygen and 0.2% in the ICU. Most of those needing oxygen or ICU are over 60 years old. Almost all deaths have been unvaccinated senior citizens with underlying health problems.

As of yesterday 83% of the population are vaccinated, booster shots are being offered to those who were jabbed 6+ months ago.

Chris2303 10th Oct 2021 03:22


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 11123975)
As of yesterday 83% of the population are vaccinated, booster shots are being offered to those who were jabbed 6+ months ago.

What was the primary vaccine and are they using the same manufacturer's product for the booster?

krismiler 10th Oct 2021 04:34

The primary was Pfizer-Biontech and all three jabs I had were the same brand. As of yesterday, 98.4% of those infected have little or no symptoms, probably because there are so few unvaccinated people left to become ill and drag the average down if they catch the virus.

1.3% need oxygen, 0.1% ICU and 0.2% have died. 83% of the population are fully vaccinated with 85% having had at least one dose. New cases 3700 yesterday.

I hope the Australian government is watching Singapore's experience carefully. Daily case numbers rocketed over the last month, however the numbers in hospital on oxygen or in the ICU increased at a far lower rate and was easily manageable.

KRviator 10th Oct 2021 06:32


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 11123976)
November 1st looks like a goer.

But only in and out of the East Coast it seems...

Westyrannical Australia appears to be quite happy to stay in their Covid-Zero bubble.


Western Australia could remain closed for months after the international border ban is lifted but Premier Mark McGowan says it’s not a “big problem”.

Asked what he thought about the possibility of most Australians being able to fly to Paris but not Perth during a Friday press conference, Mr McGowan said: “I don’t think that is a big problem. Western Australia will open up internationally at some point in time and it’s probably just a difference of months between us and other states, in particular Victoria and NSW,” he said.

“If that means in the interim we don’t have mass deaths, we don’t have huge dislocation in our economy, we don’t have lots of people losing their jobs, well then I think the choice is clear. “We wait till it’s safe.”
Then there's

But the WA Premier confirmed his expectation the reopening date would be “sometime next year” and claimed initially international travel would be a “NSW thing”. It’s really a NSW thing at this point in time,” he said. “I think the view is that if people from NSW want to fly overseas and come back they’re really not adding to the risk because NSW is highly infected.”

Mr McGowan said international travel was unlikely to change the risk profile in NSW which is currently in the middle of a major Delta outbreak of the virus. Source
Of course, then there's this pearler:

Speaking on Friday afternoon, McGowan said people could fly to Sydney and then out of the country when the international travel ban lifts - but they may not be allowed back into Western Australia.

“My advice would be don’t do that unless you want to spend a lot of time in Paris or NSW,” he said. Source
Nothing like being able to fly home from Paris, but not continue on to Perth... :ugh:

Transition Layer 10th Oct 2021 06:36

This guy must really dislike his own family in NSW. Guess he doesn’t want them coming to Xmas in Rocko! They can FaceTime him from Singapore, it’s the same time zone at least :}

machtuk 10th Oct 2021 07:17

McClown now has the worlds longest Covid (rabbit) proof fence, the idiot is welcome to it!

Ladloy 10th Oct 2021 08:07


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11124027)
But only in and out of the East Coast it seems...

Westyrannical Australia appears to be quite happy to stay in their Covid-Zero bubble.

Then there's

Of course, then there's this pearler:
Nothing like being able to fly home from Paris, but not continue on to Perth... :ugh:

The price you pay for being virtually unaffected for the last 18 months.

PoppaJo 10th Oct 2021 11:03

I sincerely hope if a positive person finds themselves on say, a ML-SY flight next month once borders are open, the entire manifest and crew does not need to isolate for a fortnight.

I see a Virgin flight today, one kid positive, everyone into isolation at a medi hotel.

Going to be positive kids on all flights shortly as they don’t have a vax approved yet.

dr dre 10th Oct 2021 12:55


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11124031)
This guy must really dislike his own family in NSW. Guess he doesn’t want them coming to Xmas in Rocko! They can FaceTime him from Singapore, it’s the same time zone at least :}

Actually you might have some reason to be hopeful, the Health Minister this week indicated reopening would be, like all other states, around “end of the year”. We know the Covid chief has been given a Dec 31 deadline, the mining industry has been mandated and remote indigenous communities will preparing to be be separately isolated whilst the rest of the state is open. That was a concern that the entire state would be isolated while remote community vax rates remained low but now it seems they’ll independently isolated whilst the rest of the state is open. We know the WA first doses plus forward bookings are over 80% and pretty much all get one dose get two, and as the need for vaccines in NSW is decreased this can be redistributed elsewhere. I believed they’ve bought bookings forward which has also bought the projected 80% date forward too.

Seems to be a change in tone, with the government now taking about mask mandates and capacity restrictions in order to change the mindset of population. My personal thought is a hustle to get vaccinated pre Christmas and a reopening close to it, and I think they’ll be very close to when Qld, SA, Tas and NT open, a matter of a few weeks at most.



Ladloy 10th Oct 2021 22:37


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11124141)
I sincerely hope if a positive person finds themselves on say, a ML-SY flight next month once borders are open, the entire manifest and crew does not need to isolate for a fortnight.

I see a Virgin flight today, one kid positive, everyone into isolation at a medi hotel.

Going to be positive kids on all flights shortly as they don’t have a vax approved yet.

isolation rules are no longer 14 days

Potsie Weber 11th Oct 2021 03:18


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11124464)
isolation rules are no longer 14 days


primary close contact in Victoria is still 14 days.

ChrisJ800 11th Oct 2021 05:04

Im guessing home quarantine after an international inbound flight will only be available if you are in driving distance of an international airport like SYD or MEL. I live in Tas so does that mean I still need to pay for hotel quarantine where I land and then additional home quarantine once I get back to Tas?

KRviator 11th Oct 2021 05:10

The SA Premier: "I reckon our borders will be open by Christmas, so everyone can have family over!" :ok:
The SA Health CEO: "Aaaahhh...no...":=

South Australia's top health bureaucrat has contradicted the expectations of the state's Premier, expressing doubt about a plan to scrap COVID-19 quarantine requirements for fully vaccinated interstate travellers by Christmas.

Last week, SA Premier Steven Marshall said he was hopeful that anyone looking to travel to SA who had been double vaccinated and had not been to any exposure sites "will be able to come back and enjoy a relatively normal Christmas". "I think people, this Christmas, can look forward to having people coming from interstate to spend time with them," he said on Wednesday. "People can have some confidence that as we get closer to Christmas there will be pathways for people to come back, and that we'll also be avoiding statewide lockdowns."

But SA Health chief executive Chris McGowan today indicated that that deadline may be premature.

"It's not our expectation that there'll be no quarantine requirements even for double vaccinated people at this stage," Mr McGowan told a parliamentary committee. When asked whether he was aware of any health advice suggesting that, by December 25, there would be no requirement for quarantining "if you're coming from interstate", Mr McGowan responded: "It may have come from someone else, but it hasn't come from me." Source
What is it with these McGowan blokes and their border policies? Are they bloody brothers or something?!? So what's that about following the "Health Advice" there, Premier?

PoppaJo 11th Oct 2021 06:32

Health officials need to take a back seat now, those people’s time in the spotlight is over, this is where the Premiers need to grow a pair and start taking control. The old witch up north still runs rings around our so called leader. She needs to be sacked.

Dr Chant must feel like a third wheel now. It’s Dom’s show now. I would expect her resignation fairly soon.

Great to see someone taking control.

dr dre 11th Oct 2021 06:59


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11124538)
The SA Premier: "I reckon our borders will be open by Christmas, so everyone can have family over!" :ok:

Even before the SA CHO's comments today Steven Marshall had said he would wait until vaccination rates were even across all SA Local Government Areas before easing border restrictions. Some LGAs in SA, in the Northern suburbs of Adelaide and rural areas primarily, are running about 20% behind the state average. So the Premier has a good excuse himself to not open up when the overall state average hits 80%.

Tasmania said they'd be aiming for 90% vaccinated, and the NT Chief Minister wants more than 80% to protect the territory's indigenous population. So they're all including little caveats to not open up if they deem that so.

What I think they're waiting for is NSW to be the canary in the coalmine and see how they do over the next 6 weeks. If hospitals aren't overwhelmed it'll bode well for reopening. If NSW hospitals are overwhelmed then the other states have a get out of jail card that wouldn't have had they set a firm reopening date.

43Inches 11th Oct 2021 08:01

The only state I see holding out closures past Christmas will be WA. I can't see a reason for the East coast to remain closed, which is how much of the populace will see it. That will make it hard for any premier to keep shut and prevent dissent. McGowan is still riding on his electoral mandate, forget about WA. They will stay shut for a while yet.

Melbourne the weather has been good lately, everyone down the beach and in parks. Reminds me of the old Sunday trading rules with people out and about but shops and pubs closed. The lockdown is really only in name now, people are doing mostly what they want. I hear cars racing, doing burnouts at night as usual well past curfew. If the police are policing it they are not doing much. This is probably why the numbers are jumping up.

Daylight Robbery 11th Oct 2021 08:46

As the rest of the world has shown, it's not about the number of infections once you move on from lockdowns and isolation. But rather the number of hospital admissions and serious illness/ deaths. Once you open up, the number of Covid-19 positive cases is no longer strictly relevant. We are probably all going to brush up against this virus in the next couple of years. Get vaccinated and stay healthy to ensure the best personal outcome from the inevitable contact.

Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 00:31

Is anyone else asking the question of how does NSW decision to open on Nov 1st work in a practical sense. Presumably returning Australians can come home without a need to quarantine. What happens when 10,000 returning Australians return to Sydney and none of them live in NSW.

Lead Balloon 15th Oct 2021 00:35

They'll spend a lot of money in NSW, for which we New South Welshmen will thank them!


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