A bit of a thread drift, but it's fascinating the whole concept of the Gods in a post apocalyptic world when future generations refer to our hocus pocus stories when we were gods in flying machines that carried hundreds of people to distant lands that don't exist. How many generations would it take, before there just fanciful bedtime stories.

Also its important to note the differences so that you don't quote US rights when they don't apply in Australia. Such as free speech, which is worded differently, more in the right to hold an opinion. Also quite interesting that Australia chose to opt out of banning domestic use of racial hate speech and propaganda with regards to rights, although there are laws that cover hate speech.

Federation was mostly pushed for by businesses wanting to conduct cross border trade, as pre-1901 you needed to pass border control to pass between colonies such as NSW and Vic, including tariffs and everything you'd see between two different nations. The idea it was something done for the greater population alone is misleading. Victoria and Melbourne in particular had become wealthy and also xenophobic, they didn't want foreigners but they wanted trade to increase wealth and luxury goods especially from within Australia being of mostly all the same ancestry. The businesses also played on fears of invasion by nations such as Russia/France/Germany post Crimean war as Australia was barely protected by itinerant RN Vessels and had no significant navy or army of its own. So the reasoning behind Federation in Australia and Independence of the USA is a vastly different story with a very different set of 'founding fathers'.

It's sad that most Australians have more idea about the US system and history then what happened in the creation of Australia. Especially in the lead up to Federation, everyone knows there was a gold rush, but very few know the story and lessons to be learnt from what happened in Melbourne post gold rush as well. There are some good historical lessons about shunning the world and thinking you can live off limited wealth for ever.

This place really is PPRunNeapedia.

Come on guys back to pages & pages of endless stats to bluff the sheeple -) I enjoy reading the numbers waiting to die of this wildly infectious disease that will kill you, well according to the lunatic Andrews that is!-)

Well, breaking news

6 cases in Victoria overnight

Queensland will not re open on Sunday, not officially announced but someone from the AMA in qld said that this morning so I imagine at the qld govt press conference this morning with the goose and quack it will be announced.

also maybe another Victorian lockdown with those 6 cases. That’s me guessing.

4 cases of covid confirmed in two schools near Newcastle also. Students that is. 3 siblings at one school. So it is spreading…

Five!

That's the number of my friends or close acquaintances who have died FROM NOT WITH Covid-19 since the middle of June.
It's not just stats, Dick.

It's bad, real bad over there; There is a rising incidence in patients appearing to be doing ok with relatively mild symptoms, then after a week or two suddenly deteriorating, cough, vomit, bleed, die. That's new, do we have a breakout strain on our hands.

All your health bureaucrats do is use statistics to allocate resources all day..at least prior to Covid.

the symptoms you’re describing are typical for ADE or VADE.

“The United States’ Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had received 1,226 reports of myocarditis following 296 million doses of mRNA vaccinesadministered up to June 11. This equates to a risk of roughly one in 240,000 doses. These cases were mostly in young men and predominantly occurred after the second dose.

Independently from vaccines, myocarditis occurs in roughly 23 per 100,000 peopleworldwide per year (we don’t have reliable figures for pericarditis). This shows us there’s a much lower risk from vaccination than exists in the population generally.”

1:240,000 chance of developing myocarditis from Pfizer. Almost all lived.

Im comfortable with my statement.

Well we havn't really finished first wave antics yet, the media have been calling the resurgences as 2nd/3rd waves, these are just lockdowns and re spreading of the similar strains of the original virus. Delta has the same MO as the original, just spreads faster. These are just small issues compared to if the virus adapts and decides it wants to become aggressive and attack more vigorously to survive. During the Spanish flu the true second wave was far more deadly and vigorous and attacked the young and healthy. Again the downside of letting a nasty virus run free, it allows greater chance for both worse or less deadly strains to mutate. The more spread the more chance of mutation for good or bad, then you leave it up to lady luck for survival.

I know you probably don't care, but that statement just rubs **** in the face of the families that have actually lost loved ones through no fault of their own.

Not saying in regard to the general public, just to this particular individual. The chance of Myocarditis is very low, however this guy may have had an underlying condition making him susceptible to it, therefore both covid and the Pfizer vaccine could trigger a problem or death in this one individual. A recent observational study focused on 12-18 years olds in particular found a much greater proportion had Myocarditis after second dose, also underlying from even mild covid exposure. Not necessarily causing death, but there is definitely something in that male age group in the USA that makes them far more likely to get it.

Myocarditis is the inflammation of the heart muscle, it swells and causes complications. If it becomes acute then similar to a heart attack can leave scarring on the heart, which may not have immediate consequences but will reduce the lifespan of the individual and complications as the heart ages. Basically you can lose large parts of your heart muscle to scaring and still live, however your maximum physical activity reduces and continues to reduce as the heart ages. This in turn means you are more susceptible to anything that stresses the body.

I don't know much about it myself but i ran it past the girls who were in VIC, volunteering, pre-vaccine and delta wasn't in the country at the time.
She says, he's quite right (matty) about ADE but that's not supposed to happen with either Covid-19 or it's vaccines, she didn't see any of those symptoms at the time.

262 cases, 5 deaths.

one week lockdown in the Hunter and upper Hunter area.

VADE has been the feature of ALL previous coronavirus vaccine attempts that have seen them scrubbed. Not saying it’s happening with these vaccines but anyone who has been vaccinated now had better hope not

Well, I'm much happier now I took my chances with the risk of blood clots with Astra Zeneca.

Myocarditis may be rare but it’s common enough for the FDA to put a warning on the label of Pfizer and Modernas vaccines:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda-...-vaccines.html

Gladys is going to lock down some regional areas from 5pm. She should have put road blocks around Sydney from the start. But this softly softly approach she has, is just letting it get out of control.

I have an even more serious concern. A breakout strain that dwarfs all existing effects of Covid.

Lots of guessing in that statement.
“Independently from vaccines, myocarditis occurs in roughly 23 per 100,000 peopleworldwide per year (we don’t have reliable figures for pericarditis). This shows us there’s a much lower risk from vaccination than exists in the population generally.”

”This included an in-depth review of 145 cases of myocarditis in the European Economic Area”

”In five cases that occurred in the EEA, people died.”
would suggest not.




I’m tipping this poor “particular individual” would have beaten the door down to get him some Pfizer if he had his time again. Especially since almost all cases of vaccine related myocarditis are mild.

Basically you’re saying
IF he had some precondition that MAYBE linked the vaccine to myocarditis, he MIGHT have developed Myocarditis and MIGHt have died from it despite almoast ALL case are mild. Seems like a long shot.
but I guess you’re right. Technically the vaccine might not have saved him. He also might have been struck by a meteorite

a very real concern seeing as this WuHu flu appears to be a bio weapon cooked up in the WuHu lab. With a little help from Fauci and others giving US funding.

Ever since antibody-dependent enhancement killed two toddlers in RSV vaccine trials in the mid-1960s it has been a front-of-mind consideration for all pharmaceutical companies developing vaccines. Because ADE manifests itself promptly upon a vaccinated host being exposed to infection it is relatively easy to spot; it generally manifests itself very early in the clinical trial process. And it stops the development of a vaccine dead in its tracks.

So far there have been over 4 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines administered globally; documented cases of ADE is what? I'm not saying that there have been no cases but where's the data?