Family might be bothered with QLD opening, it will be interesting if tourist could be bothered. Family of 4 wasting half a day of their holiday dragging kids around looking for a testing facility to appease a random 5 day test or face over $4000 in infringements P/P.

Why would you bother getting a QLD border pass. No one will be checking if you’ve got one.

I arrived from CBR yesterday and no one checked mine and apparently the border is still ‘closed’.

Always like your posts PJ, pretty balanced and thoughtful.
If the press conference was observed did any of the journos ask "what's the point/benefit of the 5 day dictum"? If yes what was the considered response?

As I'm planning to head up to the Bribie Island area for a week or so before Xmas I jumped in and made a hire car booking from the 14th, "free cancellation" on the booking but treat that with a grain of salt and see the battle if attempted.

Whilst I view the 5 day test as bull**** for interest I tried to see what was available on a weekend - a reasonable spread on Saturday morning, almost nil on a Sunday.
If the Premier wants to come up with such crap can only hope she realises she'll have to make testing facilities available - more money to be wasted on behalf of the people, go Anna!

Last query for those far smarter than myself - if for example I arrive on a Tuesday is that Day 0 or Day 1 ie is it a rolling 24 hours or a static day?

Cheers.

My international border permit always has the time of my arrival at the airport and so I’ve always used that as my zero hour and counted up from there. I assume you would do the same as you cross the QLD border by car.

Permits permits permits! As there is a lot of focus on the world 1 male tennis player refusing to prove vaccination to be able to play in the slam in Melbourne, he has already been registered to play. I would of thought given the current rules of entry for international arrivals he would be sent to HQ for 14 days if he does not provide evidence, there fore not to much of an issue at state level unless he does go to HQ and still try’s to compete. How would victorians feel if DA made an exemption for NJ to play!

WA the only state closed in Australia after the 20th DEC! Let’s hope they stay closed well onto next yr I hated going there.

For someone who hates going to WA, you seem to be quite upset and vocal regarding the border restrictions. For the sake of your health, and possibly your families mental health, let the hate go and enjoy your life.

Its not a bad source but Foxxster loves to only hear the good rosy bits. As John says, we are still learning a lot all the time and if his assumptions are wrong then the world is in for a bad time. The talk of the significant rule changes are only if things do turn bad, not right now. The UK has put in some mask mandates, vax passports and a recommendation to work from home. Not massively significant things.

where is the like button when you need it?

Yes..where has it gone? Probably the fault of these pesky WA peeps...🤭😁

Im not upset at all with WA border closure. Not one bit, I’m actually happy they’re closed.

If you don’t choose to go there then why are you happy they’re closed? It shouldn’t make any difference?

May I ask what the specific reason is you “hate” going there? The people? The city? The weather? The traffic?

btw a reopening date will be announced imminently for a date in just over a month’s time so if your employment requires you to travel to WA looks like your reprieve from being in a place you “hate” won’t last for much longer.

The sand gropers getting all defensive now. Some parts of WA are really good but PH is a $hit hole. MM will make an announcement about making an announcement to keep stringing you all along.

Well that’s your opinion, free to stay in Sydney or Melbourne where it costs both arms and legs to buy a house, and to sit in a traffic jam all day long. Net interstate migration showed a net gain for WA and a larger net loss for NSW and Vic over the last year so the “free market” is deciding where they’d rather live.

Well that will be made imminently. We can see if it’s a firm date or a “stringing along”.

To be fair..having left Europe and now live in Perth (married a Perth girl who wanted to come.home after X years in UK), I do agree with some of this sentiment. Perth is not exactly the most exciting place in the world nor forward thinking. That said I long for the borders to open so I can get away more!, That includes though getting out and back into Aussie easily! Not sure if that will ever happen.

If that's PHE you're talking about, I'll happily second that!

Yes. That's what happens in popular Cities. People want to be there.

There are many reasons in addition to " want to live there" driven by supply and demand not just popularity. I actually find Perth quite expensive frankly! 🤭

I have friends and family that have been adversely affected by that Goose’s border restrictions.

What drives me mad though, is that this bloke is merely using his border restrictions as a cover up for his government’s abysmal healthcare system. If they had to deal with any decent outbreak, it’d fail. And then his policy decisions would become apparent.

So I’m looking forward to the borders opening, just to see McGoose be exposed for the failure he is.

How can that be true with a hard border?? All I have read about is businesses complaining there is no staff in WA and they can't import anyone.

Well … I’m not sure just what the plan is for WA to open up. But as of now, it’s goodbye QLD, you are now locked out of WA from Monday.

You obviously do not understand what you’re on about by that comment.

As more and more domestic flights will now get cancelled in the lead up to Christmas, just remember that Mark McGowan and his WA Government have been the saviour of aviation in this country! I’m pretty sure I saw his nose lengthen as he said it!

love the language..‘locked out’ as if that ****hole is somewhere people would want to go. It’s you that’s locked in, welcome to south west china….you’re all just too blind to see it. Stockholm syndrome alive and well in WA. You can bet the moment McGoose is shown to be the failure he is, he’ll be all over the ‘news’ there blaming the nasty eastern states or the feds because he didn’t spend on the WA health system. He barely gets any airtime outside of WA anymore. Treasonous fool he is.

How is that announcement coming along! The only announcement made was the border was tightened last night but no mention of opening. WA is in an indefinite lockdown.
What is the plan MM!

People wishing to go to WA for Xmas from Qld are well and truly stuffed like the turkey they were going to have there!
WA's pathetically slow vaccination rate is the root cause of this latest border restrictions and that's largely due to that Political Drongo not encouraging his lemmings to go and get vaccinated asap.
The other States and territories Leaders have done so but not this clown!, well not lately and it's too late to do much good now anyway.
You have well and truly played the role of " Grinch " Mr. Premier and you so called advisors.
We all have to learn to live with Covid and all of it's variants as can't stop it , just live with it like the flu.

"RodH , 12th Dec 2021 05:51
People wishing to go to WA for Xmas from Qld are well and truly stuffed like the turkey they were going to have there!
WA's pathetically slow vaccination rate is the root cause of this latest border restrictions and that's largely due to that Political Drongo not encouraging his lemmings to go and get vaccinated asap.
The other States and territories Leaders have done so but not this clown!, well not lately and it's too late to do much good now anyway.
You have well and truly played the role of " Grinch " Mr. Premier and you so called advisors.
We all have to learn to live with Covid and all of it's variants as can't stop it , just live with it like the flu."

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Encouraging? They tried that for months but no-one listened, at least as long as NSW and VIC. Now it’s mandated for pretty much every major sector in the state because they realised without community COVID transmission there are enough muppets here to stop the coverage reaching 80-90%. No-one in WA other than the lunatic fringe of the liberal party is going to support opening borders to deliberately allow 1000+ people to die earlier than they need to, so the borders will remain closed. When I meet people who refuse to get vaccinated and try to explain the consequence of their actions, they are “cool with that”.
Try to bear in mind that the vast majority of West Australians are vaccinated and they also want to see the border restrictions lifted but in a way that does not disrupt the lack transmission suppression measures, ie wait for high vaccination rates.
Short of physically dragging people off the street, I’m not sure how much more “encouragement” politicians can provide. They are taking away people’s livelihoods for not getting vaccinated, something that the Murdoch press and Nine would be decrying as totalitarianism if they hadn’t already used that with their anti-border restriction by-lines.

So you believe that if MM opened the borders from say Dec 20th to allow Christmas travel then 1000+ people will die in WA?

How did you come to that conclusion? Of the total deaths in Australia of 2072 in the last 22 months, 1390 were in Victoria.


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These are FACTS. This is why it is so hard to have a sensible discussion about COVID rules. So much catastrophising.

If MM did open up the border, there is nothing stopping vulnerable people from self isolating at home is there?

you’re correct, I was engaging in hyperbole, I apologise.

The short of it is that population density is the prime driver of this thing and then how communities interact, which in the case of QLD and WA it's really not a big threat. Vic has a more European style of interaction and dense population that converges around the city center, then throw in the communities that have large extended families and large community gatherings for whatever and you have the perfect spreading ground. I would hazard a guess that Melbourne also has a very high amount of older population concentrated in retirement homes which adds to the death rate. I doubt WA would get a massive outbreak even if they did let it rip, but I don't really care what they do, its their turf, their rules. Something for the voters of WA to sort out when the time comes.

Hold the press. If your positive and decide to spread your germs on one of our flights entering this state, then the hold planeload is off into Quarantine for the next fortnight, courtesy of our Anna.

Four flights today have now fallen over. Edit. Now that’s 5. Goodbye Christmas for these poor people.

Domestic confidence is never going to improve. Cannot believe I am still reading Airports being marked as exposure sites requiring quarantine. Every flight and airport is a exposure site now, forever and ever and ever!

But I thought everyone was in need of a PCR negative result 72 hrs before travel?
Something is not correct?

Sounds like a reaction to the cases in Newcastle.

RAAF member flew NTL-BNE-TSV

They’ve changed their minds, after businesses basically told them they will ruin everything if everyone who’s on a flight has to quarantine every time someone has covid.

Now only a couple of rows either side, which I think is still ridiculous, but better than the entire aeroplane I guess.

Notified in TSV as a close contact of NTL covid case.

Poor Pat Cummins got caught out. Looks like eating indoors and shaking hands of other restaurant guests are high risk activities still.

Ummmm. I think we all know that....well maybe not all.

Scotty from Marketing says: "There will be no more lockdowns."

Who knew that Scotty decided whether States or parts of States would lock down? I thought lockdowns were not his responsibility...

Always a creep, doubly so when campaigning for re-election.

Might not be lockdowns but travelers appear spooked at the moment, Tasmania are isolating entire plane loads, not one or two rows.

Seen a pretty significant drop off in pax numbers across the last fortnight, more noticeable this week. The commentary around 20-30k cases a day next month won’t help much either.