Network EBA
So IB not contested by AFAP, Qantas forced back to the table by the FWC. Narrow body short haul flying with similar seating capacity, similar weight. Same job same pay….how am I doing?
You are believing your own bullsh*t.
Take some time to understand the process.
Try reading the “Same Job Same Pay”’ legislation for a start. If you struggle to understand it, then hire a lawyer like the ones who spoke for all parties today.
Enjoy their invoice.
I think Qantas should be thankful that the Network pilots have not taken a leaf out of the above unions book. What they are asking for is IMO not unreasonable.
“The AFAP have requested a two-week post intractable bargaining declaration negotiating period. If the Deputy President rules that bargaining is intractable, this is likely to come with orders to cease all Protected Industrial Action (PIA). If that two-week bargaining period is unsuccessful, then a hearing before the Full Bench of the Fair Work Commission will proceed to hear the issues and look to issue an intractable bargaining workplace determination.”
A more professional view of what was likely to happen rather than GFRs melodramatic view of a major tactical win in creaming QF. ie the AFAP seem to have achieved what it wanted in tactics. It would seem that the AFAP wanted another 2 weeks of having the opportunity to continue to bargain.
It could be a genuine attempt to find a settlement by negotiating. It could be an opportunity for another 2 weeks of PIA to try to apply more pressure.
A more professional view of what was likely to happen rather than GFRs melodramatic view of a major tactical win in creaming QF. ie the AFAP seem to have achieved what it wanted in tactics. It would seem that the AFAP wanted another 2 weeks of having the opportunity to continue to bargain.
It could be a genuine attempt to find a settlement by negotiating. It could be an opportunity for another 2 weeks of PIA to try to apply more pressure.
That’s a disingenuous interpretation Jamie.
A time frame was going to be issued, just because AFAP stated their preferred timeframe doesn’t necessarily mean
To me it says “ keep it short, if they wont get with the program in two weeks then make the declaration “.
A time frame was going to be issued, just because AFAP stated their preferred timeframe doesn’t necessarily mean
that the AFAP wanted another 2 weeks of having the opportunity to continue to bargain.
Framer,
chill out. I suggested a couple of possibilities.
The AFAPs tactics are only known to the AFAP.
The real issue is, does the AFAP really want a FWC determination? Do they think that the FWC is their best chance of success? No one knows the answer. Demeaning the judge is just cheap shots by bottom dwellers.
Currently AFAP are the Obi Wan in this situation. Get the popcorn ready it’s going to be another interesting two weeks.
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“The AFAP have requested a two-week post intractable bargaining declaration negotiating period. If the Deputy President rules that bargaining is intractable, this is likely to come with orders to cease all Protected Industrial Action (PIA). If that two-week bargaining period is unsuccessful, then a hearing before the Full Bench of the Fair Work Commission will proceed to hear the issues and look to issue an intractable bargaining workplace determination.”
The resurgence of enterprise bargaining: When bargaining goes wrong
The declaration of IB doesn’t automatically mean it goes to a determination. Parties will still have a time period (AFAP has asked for 2 weeks) which they can negotiate to a solution, get assistance from the FWC in way of mediation, or at least identify what they agree on and what they don’t before it heads to the FWC for determination.
If the negotiation period doesn’t find a solution the FWC then the full bench of the FWC will make a determination. That determination is final, no chance for members to vote on it.
How that determination will go is anyone’s guess, but with the majority of FWC Commissioners being appointed during the previous government’s term when Eric Abetz, Christian Porter and Michaelia Cash were the Ministers for Industrial Relations I hardly doubt they are very union friendly.
How that determination will go is anyone’s guess, but with the majority of FWC Commissioners being appointed during the previous government’s term when Eric Abetz, Christian Porter and Michaelia Cash were the Ministers for Industrial Relations I hardly doubt they are very union friendly.
Probably not, but there are bigger businesses than Qantas at stake here and making a determination that leads to rapid attrition and cripples the operation that facilitates a large percentage of Australia’s commerce (ie FIFO transport) is hardly in the FWCs interest. Their instinct might be to let Qantas run their business as they see fit but they will probably realise (or someone will mention) that that isn’t in the public interest, which is one of the criteria for an IB determination.
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