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I just don’t get why you’re so against getting the absolute best possible deal you could get, instead of these clearly half arsed deals QF IR keep throwing at you? Come on Need a Change, what’s in it for you?
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GoJet offering Green Card sponsorship
Can’t post the link, but check out their website..
GoJet now advertising Green Card sponsorship for E3 holders with a pathway to United.
The writing is on the wall, disenfranchised QF group pilots now have more international options..
GoJet now advertising Green Card sponsorship for E3 holders with a pathway to United.
The writing is on the wall, disenfranchised QF group pilots now have more international options..
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So what is the best deal and how do the pilots secure that please? What’s in it for me? Backpay, known conditions and certainty of what my future roster will be and protections around what the company can and cannot do with that be the current 7 day loophole.
Hang tough, the eleventh hour deal (the one they will drop on you to avoid IB) will be leaps and bounds ahead of what’s on the table now.
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To all us watching and encouraging you network pilots, what’s the result of the vote? Stay strong. It sucks that anyone should have to fight this fight. Full respect and admiration to you all.
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As someone said earlier, INOAC posts here feverishly coming into a vote, using all the usual fear based IR tactics - such as suggesting a loss of backpay. And supporting the bullying tactics of managers bailing up pilots over industrial issues in the aerobridge when they’re just trying to do their job safely.
Don’t worry - when the no result arrives, he will slink off and hide for a few weeks while cooking up the next fear campaign.
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The power of suggestion is strong in this one. INOC wants pilots to think anything other than what’s on offer will be less than it is now, ‘quick take it before it disappears!’ QF IR is a one trick pony and we’re seeing right through it.
Hang tough, the eleventh hour deal (the one they will drop on you to avoid IB) will be leaps and bounds ahead of what’s on the table now.
Hang tough, the eleventh hour deal (the one they will drop on you to avoid IB) will be leaps and bounds ahead of what’s on the table now.
I'm just a dumb-asre train driver who never finished Y12 - but one who was smart enough to give away commercial flying when I saw what lay ahead. However, when I'm earning very close coin to an A320 skipper and more than their Fokker Captains on a lifestyle 2/2 roster, you've got problems. The average training salary for us now is around the $85-90K mark, and once you qualify (realistically, 1-1.5 years), you'd have to be very unlucky to earn less than $130K on the east coast and $200K in the Pilbara. Even the blokes down the road at Rio with the new EBA are doing that well and they're the lowest paid up here - their minimum base rate is $110K and with allowances takes it to $197.5K for FIFO, much more if you live here..
If Network (and others) want to not only attract but retain aircrew, they're going to have to make the salaries and T&C's much more competitive in the current environment. That they don't want to speaks volumes about where the industry's headed down here and the level of respect the Group has for their staff (though that's not really a surprise these days, is it?)
There'll always be people with 'shiny jet syndrome', but even these days I get the impression the pool of potential students is rapidly shrinking because not many can afford the cost of training and the reward is no longer what it once was. So for the Network guys, and to quite Jack Dawson, "When you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose!" Keep fighting for the conditions you deserve!
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The answer is simple - he gets KPIs for getting a crap deal over the line.
As someone said earlier, INOAC posts here feverishly coming into a vote, using all the usual fear based IR tactics - such as suggesting a loss of backpay. And supporting the bullying tactics of managers bailing up pilots over industrial issues in the aerobridge when they’re just trying to do their job safely.
Don’t worry - when the no result arrives, he will slink off and hide for a few weeks while cooking up the next fear campaign.
As someone said earlier, INOAC posts here feverishly coming into a vote, using all the usual fear based IR tactics - such as suggesting a loss of backpay. And supporting the bullying tactics of managers bailing up pilots over industrial issues in the aerobridge when they’re just trying to do their job safely.
Don’t worry - when the no result arrives, he will slink off and hide for a few weeks while cooking up the next fear campaign.
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You really want to know what the best deal is for a NAA (Or a Rex or Eastern pilot)? Giving Network the asre and changing careers. There's better paying jobs out there with far better conditions across a range of industries than forcing yourself to suffer through this kind of rubbish every time the EBA rolls around for negotiation.
For the NAA guys there’s the JQ operation starting up over the road which I believe is still under crewed. At least you’ll be flying newer aircraft and to some more exotic destinations than some minesite.
AFAP members! If you can get hold of it, read
the latest QF SH Briefing and compare that with what’s on offer here. Consider that very carefully if you’re entertaining a yes vote, you’ll be left behind!
the latest QF SH Briefing and compare that with what’s on offer here. Consider that very carefully if you’re entertaining a yes vote, you’ll be left behind!
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Our claim for salary includes: • An immediate 8.36% increase to make up for the 2022, 2023 shortfall when compared to CPI. • An Additional 5% pay increase in line with industry movements. • Increases over the life of agreement in line with forecast CPI of: • 2024: 4% • 2025: 4% • 2026: 3% • 2027: 3%
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It was a wish list. Nothing more.
Our claim for salary includes: • An immediate 8.36% increase to make up for the 2022, 2023 shortfall when compared to CPI. • An Additional 5% pay increase in line with industry movements. • Increases over the life of agreement in line with forecast CPI of: • 2024: 4% • 2025: 4% • 2026: 3% • 2027: 3%
Our claim for salary includes: • An immediate 8.36% increase to make up for the 2022, 2023 shortfall when compared to CPI. • An Additional 5% pay increase in line with industry movements. • Increases over the life of agreement in line with forecast CPI of: • 2024: 4% • 2025: 4% • 2026: 3% • 2027: 3%
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Indeed, and I agree, however, this is where the AFAP believe short haul domestic pilots should be in the grand scheme, not where Qantas believe we should be. There is increasing upward pressure on pay and conditions and Qantas are madly denying its existence. If the desperate appeals by NAAs fearful leader is any indication, they are hugely concerned about the awakening of the pilots. The rush to get this deal locked before that happens is a clear indication of that.
Ps. You should see the job adverts for Alliance on Seek. Reeks of desperation.
P.P.S. Open time looks sporting for next week.
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Just keep voting no. Work to rule. Park every A320, 737, 717 and A220 in QF. Qantas can get with reality and pay housing allowances to anyone based in Syd or Melb and they can increase all pilot salaries by a minimum of 150k pa to keep in line with inflation. The greedy managers and directors of Qantas always keep up with inflation, its time pilots get their fair share. These morons need to realise they don't have a job without pilots. Park every Jet!
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