Network EBA

[tOnneau51]

So wats the next step. The order mentions a bargaining period so is there a chance of an agreement occurring during this? regarding PIA moral victory, unless it brings a better deal then what was offered, who really cares? sounds like these pilots (and most I’d bet) deal in cash rather then imaginary wins

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by tOnneau51

So wats the next step. The order mentions a bargaining period so is there a chance of an agreement occurring during this? regarding PIA moral victory, unless it brings a better deal then what was offered, who really cares? sounds like these pilots (and most I’d bet) deal in cash rather then imaginary wins

end game is LH, SH, Virgin and others all unite and push back. Why QF is so determined not to give in to Network. They know what comes next when they do…but too bad. Treat your staff like garbage for years, and this is what happens.
It’s over. Time for things to swing the other way for once. Power is now firmly with the pilots…believe it or not.

[Chronic Snoozer]

Originally Posted by JamieMaree

GFR,
I found this one too. You too can find Shorthaul pilots EBAs 7,6,5 if you bother to look. They were all concluded favourably without PIA.
So I think your view on the result of PIA is not backed up by the facts.

Wow. Offer an EBA with conditions that the pilots vote up and avoid them taking PIA. Brilliant strategy. Some next level industrial relations thinking right there.

[Callsign Please]

Originally Posted by Big Silver Spoon

When mainline are threatening people with termination in their contract if they don’t bid for shorthaul on day 1

Forgive me being late but what’s the go with this, issue for people who gave HR assurances of interest or just any new starter?

[HudsonFish]

That would be an impressive outcome at $42k more than a year 1 Capt at Qantas.

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by Callsign Please

Forgive me being late but what’s the go with this, issue for people who gave HR assurances of interest or just any new starter?

most new starters…especially people with a 737 endorsement, as it makes it cheaper for QANTAS. Why not improve the conditions to get people. It’s called supply and demand. People don’t want the job because it sucks and is underpaid.
they FORCE people to sign up to the 737, by making an employment offer contingent on that.
JUST MORE BULLYING from a bunch of psychopaths.

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Or Qantas should be honest and make it known that everyone will start on the 737, no direct entry SO’s.

[ddrwk]

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

Or Qantas should be honest and make it known that everyone will start on the 737, no direct entry SO’s.

That’s not currently possible and shows a lack of understanding of the LHEA, SHEA and IA.

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Originally Posted by ddrwk

That’s not currently possible and shows a lack of understanding of the LHEA, SHEA and IA.

But it’s ok to force new starts there on day one?

[ddrwk]

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

But it’s ok to force new starts there on day one?

Not, it’s not, however it forms part of their employment contract which they choose to sign and Qantas believe it is legal. It is a woeful way of dealing with potential/new employees, yet that’s the way they insist on doing it.

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by ddrwk

Not, it’s not, however it forms part of their employment contract which they choose to sign and Qantas believe it is legal. It is a woeful way of dealing with potential/new employees, yet that’s the way they insist on doing it.

anything but improving the SH contract…ANYTHING.
idiots

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Originally Posted by ddrwk

Not, it’s not, however it forms part of their employment contract which they choose to sign and Qantas believe it is legal. It is a woeful way of dealing with potential/new employees, yet that’s the way they insist on doing it.

Yet they persist in the face of a pilot shortage.

[ddrwk]

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

Yet they persist in the face of a pilot shortage.

They persist with it because pilots continue to sign up to it. Same as Network terms and conditions.

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Originally Posted by ddrwk

They persist with it because pilots continue to sign up to it. Same as Network terms and conditions.

Aren’t Qantas concerned about pilot recruitment and retention? People may still be signing up to the deal but not in large enough numbers.

[ddrwk]

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

Aren’t Qantas concerned about pilot recruitment and retention? People may still be signing up to the deal but not in large enough numbers.

I think at this very moment, no, they’re not too concerned. Project 12-24 months down the track and it starts to look dicey. And a much shorter timeframe for subsidiaries.

Look, I think we all get wrapped up in looking overseas and saying that ‘X airline’s pilots got a 30% pay increase so why don’t we?’ In reality, there is no link. They are different markets. Qantas will say ‘If it’s so good, then they should leave and we aren’t losing pilots; we have no trouble recruiting.’ Point is, to rely on the pilot shortage, it has to be having an actual impact.

Maybe the lack of interest in A220 training positions is an indicator? Maybe the worm has turned, or is about to turn, but you can’t just engage in a ham fisted, emotive based PIA campaign without a realistic plan on how to improve pilot conditions. Hoping that PIA will bring the company back to the table will only get you so far.

[engine out]

Most SOs aren’t going to the 73 due to the SH award. They aren’t going there as they have just come from Qlink, Jetstar, Network, Rex etc and have had enough of flying multi-sector domestic days. They want lifestyle. If they recruited more people straight out of GA those 73 slots would fill quickly.

[Big Silver Spoon]

Originally Posted by ddrwk

Not, it’s not, however it forms part of their employment contract which they choose to sign and Qantas believe it is legal. It is a woeful way of dealing with potential/new employees, yet that’s the way they insist on doing it.

There’s a way around it.

Bid for the 737 day 1. Do the TR. Get checked out. Serve your probation.

Then use your golden bid to bid to longhaul as a second officer.

[A320 Flyer]

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

Who cares what AIPA do, in reality that union is in the minority when it comes to representing Pilots flying Qantas domestic passengers. QLink is the new Mainline and now’s the time for them to improve their conditions.

I think you’re wrong on both counts….

[Bug Smasher Smasher]

Originally Posted by Big Silver Spoon

There’s a way around it.

Bid for the 737 day 1. Do the TR. Get checked out. Serve your probation.

Then use your golden bid to bid to longhaul as a second officer.

You know that’s at the company’s discretion though, right?

What do you think are the chances of the company approving those bits? Honest answer.

[ddrwk]

Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher

You know that’s at the company’s discretion though, right?

What do you think are the chances of the company approving those bits? Honest answer.

Suggest letting sleeping dogs lie on this one.