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I wonder if the landscape has changed so much that QF would be better to bring all these subsidiaries into the tent.
eg the cost to pay the Network pilots the same as the SH pilots is roughly 9 mil per annum more than the first offer the union endorsed. Thats about a half of one percent of the gross profit for the half yearly results.
Keep in mind that those half year numbers would have been higher if they didn’t have the same IR load that is caused by fighting all the subsidiaries, strikes, pilot training due retention issues etc.
If they put all the subsidiary jet pilots on the SH hourly rate what would that cost? $60mil p/a?
If that had occurred 12 months ago how much would they have saved in training, McKinsey costs, IR battles and strikes?
Have we reached a stage where paying the SH dollar amount on the existing contracts is now the most cost effective move?
eg the cost to pay the Network pilots the same as the SH pilots is roughly 9 mil per annum more than the first offer the union endorsed. Thats about a half of one percent of the gross profit for the half yearly results.
Keep in mind that those half year numbers would have been higher if they didn’t have the same IR load that is caused by fighting all the subsidiaries, strikes, pilot training due retention issues etc.
If they put all the subsidiary jet pilots on the SH hourly rate what would that cost? $60mil p/a?
If that had occurred 12 months ago how much would they have saved in training, McKinsey costs, IR battles and strikes?
Have we reached a stage where paying the SH dollar amount on the existing contracts is now the most cost effective move?
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I wonder if the landscape has changed so much that QF would be better to bring all these subsidiaries into the tent.
eg the cost to pay the Network pilots the same as the SH pilots is roughly 9 mil per annum more than the first offer the union endorsed. Thats about a half of one percent of the gross profit for the half yearly results.
Keep in mind that those half year numbers would have been higher if they didn’t have the same IR load that is caused by fighting all the subsidiaries, strikes, pilot training due retention issues etc.
If they put all the subsidiary jet pilots on the SH hourly rate what would that cost? $60mil p/a?
If that had occurred 12 months ago how much would they have saved in training, McKinsey costs, IR battles and strikes?
Have we reached a stage where paying the SH dollar amount on the existing contracts is now the most cost effective move?
eg the cost to pay the Network pilots the same as the SH pilots is roughly 9 mil per annum more than the first offer the union endorsed. Thats about a half of one percent of the gross profit for the half yearly results.
Keep in mind that those half year numbers would have been higher if they didn’t have the same IR load that is caused by fighting all the subsidiaries, strikes, pilot training due retention issues etc.
If they put all the subsidiary jet pilots on the SH hourly rate what would that cost? $60mil p/a?
If that had occurred 12 months ago how much would they have saved in training, McKinsey costs, IR battles and strikes?
Have we reached a stage where paying the SH dollar amount on the existing contracts is now the most cost effective move?
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Definitely in that scenario Wales but I think it might even have reached a stage where the bloated management can stay and they just plug the SH hourly rate into the existing contracts and it’s still the cheapest option.
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PIA is absolutely effective. It’s honestly the only thing that will wake management up. Keep going guys, now is not the time to capitulate. It’s starting to cause them headaches.
one pilot group on similar conditions would absolutely be cheaper…but would cause management job loses…so which one will prevail 🙄
one pilot group on similar conditions would absolutely be cheaper…but would cause management job loses…so which one will prevail 🙄
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YeahNup you getting your buddy I Need Of A Change back in here with a new username?
I believe others have answered my points. Labour market supply and demand. As stated above, what are they meant to do? Roll over and sign away an extremely **** EBA while the rest of the world runs away with contracts exponentially better? Their hands are tied and good on them for finally stepping up to the worst IR machine in this country.
You let me know when you find a better solution to help bring up their wages, and the industry as a whole, closer to what’s happening overseas.
Enjoy flying into the Pilbara with 500hr pilots who unfortunately don’t know better and will be yes-men to everything management throws at them.
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Let me understand, established line pilots are allowing new joiners to accept lesser contracts like its their decision. Oh right, of course
a. Unemployment
or
b. accept the ****ty contract that the old guard voted up at the previous EBA vote (or successive EBAs slowly eroding new starter conditions for a few pieces of silver for the old guys)
it's not unreasonable to shift the responsibility in one direction
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Not quite what I meant, what I mean is all the crappy subsidiaries and contracts out there were implemented under the watch of Unions who had members at the time. I just always find the attitude from some a bit strange when they attack a pilot who now takes one of these jobs. You often hear the ‘why did you take a crap contract then’ or ‘your fault for taking the job’ type of stuff. I think these younger pilots have every right to ask what was done by these commenting individuals to prevent those contracts or outsourcing in the first place. I mean Qantas now has a B scale, it won’t be long before those B scales trade off some improvements in return for a C scale for new joiners.
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I wonder if the landscape has changed so much that QF would be better to bring all these subsidiaries into the tent.
eg the cost to pay the Network pilots the same as the SH pilots is roughly 9 mil per annum more than the first offer the union endorsed. Thats about a half of one percent of the gross profit for the half yearly results.
Keep in mind that those half year numbers would have been higher if they didn’t have the same IR load that is caused by fighting all the subsidiaries, strikes, pilot training due retention issues etc.
If they put all the subsidiary jet pilots on the SH hourly rate what would that cost? $60mil p/a?
If that had occurred 12 months ago how much would they have saved in training, McKinsey costs, IR battles and strikes?
Have we reached a stage where paying the SH dollar amount on the existing contracts is now the most cost effective move?
eg the cost to pay the Network pilots the same as the SH pilots is roughly 9 mil per annum more than the first offer the union endorsed. Thats about a half of one percent of the gross profit for the half yearly results.
Keep in mind that those half year numbers would have been higher if they didn’t have the same IR load that is caused by fighting all the subsidiaries, strikes, pilot training due retention issues etc.
If they put all the subsidiary jet pilots on the SH hourly rate what would that cost? $60mil p/a?
If that had occurred 12 months ago how much would they have saved in training, McKinsey costs, IR battles and strikes?
Have we reached a stage where paying the SH dollar amount on the existing contracts is now the most cost effective move?
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A great post . . . . . Well worth having a think about . . . . the steadfast resolve and PIA will force the powers at B to consider this reality.
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I wonder if the landscape has changed so much that QF would be better to bring all these subsidiaries into the tent.
eg the cost to pay the Network pilots the same as the SH pilots is roughly 9 mil per annum more than the first offer the union endorsed. Thats about a half of one percent of the gross profit for the half yearly results.
Keep in mind that those half year numbers would have been higher if they didn’t have the same IR load that is caused by fighting all the subsidiaries, strikes, pilot training due retention issues etc.
If they put all the subsidiary jet pilots on the SH hourly rate what would that cost? $60mil p/a?
If that had occurred 12 months ago how much would they have saved in training, McKinsey costs, IR battles and strikes?
Have we reached a stage where paying the SH dollar amount on the existing contracts is now the most cost effective move?
eg the cost to pay the Network pilots the same as the SH pilots is roughly 9 mil per annum more than the first offer the union endorsed. Thats about a half of one percent of the gross profit for the half yearly results.
Keep in mind that those half year numbers would have been higher if they didn’t have the same IR load that is caused by fighting all the subsidiaries, strikes, pilot training due retention issues etc.
If they put all the subsidiary jet pilots on the SH hourly rate what would that cost? $60mil p/a?
If that had occurred 12 months ago how much would they have saved in training, McKinsey costs, IR battles and strikes?
Have we reached a stage where paying the SH dollar amount on the existing contracts is now the most cost effective move?
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What I find most farcical is that members of Network / AFAP have the nerve to call out Qantas as a bully. Yet people within their ranks compile and circulate a 'scab list', where anyone who doesn't subscribe to their world view is labelled an outcast, and threatened with their future livelihoods. Whatever happened to live and let live? Freedom of speech, action and thought? Ceausescu would be proud of this grubby lot.
In unity, provided you agree with us.
What a joke.
In unity, provided you agree with us.
What a joke.
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It’s like page one of the FAA instructor handbook. Learning is a change of behaviour based on experience.
QF has been the IR bully.
If you are not seeing a change of behaviour, you have not provided the experience.
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But this isn’t how QF works. Their MO is that of the IR bully.
In early 2024 QF is offside with the Government, the Australian public,the staff, and the shareholders. Now is the time for a significant change in ‘personality’ if ever there was one. Here’s hoping!
If you are not seeing a change of behaviour, you have not provided the experience
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A company can have something that appears to be a personality, and that fits nicely with how our brains categorise, classify and label, but it’s not really the case. A company is a collection of people and procedures and when key people and procedures are swapped out ( Joyce and Goyder and quite a few other influential personalities) big changes are possible. An individual probably won’t change their MO but a company can.
In early 2024 QF is offside with the Government, the Australian public,the staff, and the shareholders. Now is the time for a significant change in ‘personality’ if ever there was one. Here’s hoping!
In early 2024 QF is offside with the Government, the Australian public,the staff, and the shareholders. Now is the time for a significant change in ‘personality’ if ever there was one. Here’s hoping!
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Let’s not forget their corporate customers, at least one of whom is so unhappy with the service Qantas provides that they are ‘starting their own airline’.
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Employ the current network guys on more money than QF domestic, in an attempt to retain sufficiently skilled pilots and reduce the millions being wasted on aircraft endorsements each month (as abused pilots leave for greener pastures).
then they don’t risk a crash with a 500 hour FO “single pilot” operation.