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Old 2nd Oct 2023, 02:16
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On the flight booking page on the Qantas website it looks like Alliance are scheduled to do the PER-DRW route (usually operated by NAA a320s) and PER- ADL (usually operated by QF737s) on the 4th October. It will be a shame if more of these flights pop up as it will dampen the much needed effect of PIA that the NAA pilots are fighting so hard for.
Good luck guys and girls, keep fighting for a brighter future for all Australian pilots!
for what it’s worth there are currently zero Alliance flights operating for QF/NW into and out of Perth on Wednesday. No sign of any DRW/ADL flights. Not to say it might change but for now there’s just the regular QQ Wednesday flights.

good luck lads. Don’t let the whingers here sway you. You have 99.9% of fellow Aussie pilots behind you
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The glaringly obvious QF Own Goal here, is the fact that the 'Contingency Plan' they are relying on, happens to be operated by Pilot Group(s) with higher TCE's (Total Cost of Employment) than the one they are trying to replace...HuH


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Originally Posted by meatbomb01
for what it’s worth there are currently zero Alliance flights operating for QF/NW into and out of Perth on Wednesday. No sign of any DRW/ADL flights. Not to say it might change but for now there’s just the regular QQ Wednesday flights.

good luck lads. Don’t let the whingers here sway you. You have 99.9% of fellow Aussie pilots behind you
I completely understand the position the pilots in the entire industry are in and at no stage do I have anything against any pilot group. I believe that NAA pilots have support of majority if not all the pilot groups in Australia.

I just posted it here for awareness so that some of the contingency measures applied by Qantas senior management are exposed. I would add screenshots but unfortunately can’t add them.

Currently QF1870-1871, QF1892-1893 PER-DRW-PER (NAA a320 route) and QF1926-1927 PER-ADL-PER are scheduled to be operated by Alliance E190s on Wednesday the 4th of October.

I haven’t seen any others pop up.

All the best to all the pilots. Good luck.
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You can get a Stat dec for sickness for $3 at MEL, $5 at BNE and SYD and $4 at PER pharmacies beats qoctor by a mile.
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Originally Posted by meatbomb01
for what it’s worth there are currently zero Alliance flights operating for QF/NW into and out of Perth on Wednesday. No sign of any DRW/ADL flights. Not to say it might change but for now there’s just the regular QQ Wednesday flights.

good luck lads. Don’t let the whingers here sway you. You have 99.9% of fellow Aussie pilots behind you
Staff Travel would suggest otherwise. These flights are normally A320s (and were 737s before that)




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The Alliance cancer has now mestastised, must be great getting a free visa. Now try and live on your pathetic wage….
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Moving beyond PIA itself, what are the specific things Network pilots want from their new EA?
I’ll start by saying I see no reason why you shouldn’t be paid at least what a QF SH pilot gets paid for doing almost the exact same job.

Having seen the proposed EA that I gather has now been pulled, you had managed to negotiate some reasonable gains. So what would you like improved in it? That’s the point of taking PIA after all.

Looks like base pay is well up, despite a pay freeze (which is a joke) there is a 10% pay rise from 2022-2023. Plus the A320 has another ~10% additional. It’s still more than 6% below JQ A320 pay though.
The overtime threshold now kicks in at a lower figure, much lower than JQ but still higher than QF SH. Not knowing how many hours you regularly do I’m not sure if this is of much help or not.
Working day off payment appears to be up nearly 400% but you don’t want to rely on such payments to manage your budget.
Extra RDO.
Improved allowances and some tightening of accomodation standards.

I’m hoping the PIA announced, and the threat of more, will compel Qantas to give you what you are worth. So what are the big ticket items that pilots want improved from this first offer?
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Maybe he's right. Not Alliance , but Bravo ( anything but Bravo )
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Analysis / Business

‘Bullied and harassed’: Qantas pilots accuse management of intimidation over pay

Working harder for less money, pilots at Qantas' Perth-based subsidiary have long complained of being treated as third-class workers.

MICHAEL SAINSBURY

OCT 02, 2023

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QANTAS CEO VANESSA HUDSON (IMAGE: AAP/LUKAS COCH)Preparing to strike this week, Perth-based Qantas pilots employed at its Network Aviation (NA) subsidiary have accused the company of intimidation, bullying and harassment as management threatened to withhold backpay as the two sides tussle over a long-overdue pay deal.

The claim comes as Qantas, in an attempt to cover NA flights, is upending its schedules on the east coast during the school holidays by cancelling flights and shifting aircraft to Western Australia. The WA subsidiary covers both the crucial mining sector in the state, transporting fly-in-fly-out (FIFO) workers, as well as a growing roster of commercial flights from Perth to regional destinations and Darwin.

Qantas management has targeted the pilots with communications over the past two weekends. The first was hand-delivered by courier; the second was sent by email. Couriers delivering the initial missive, a copy of which has been seen by Crikey, were required to take photos of their delivery and the families of some pilots ended up in these photos.

Qantas pilots eye first strike in 57 years as top brass filibusters Senate committee

Read More“I felt intimidated, threatened, bullied and harassed — and so did my colleagues,” one NA pilot told Crikey. ”What sort of company treats its people like this — especially after promising a new way of operating?”

The letter stated: “Importantly, the backpay to October 2022 is only available if the proposed agreement is voted up and approved. If the proposed agreement is not voted up the company would have to reconsider its position. This could mean all items currently agreed could be withdrawn … We may also need to consider options available under the Fair Work Act, including application for an intractable bargaining declaration”.

Qantas’ hardline attitude to staff has been underscored recently by the High Court’s determination that the airline illegally sacked 1,700 workers.

Last week the main union representing NA pilots, the Australian Federation of Air Pilots (AFAP), advised Qantas of the pilots’ looming strike on Wednesday, October 4 — the first strike for Qantas pilots since 1966. The decision for industrial action was made after an overwhelming 99.5% of its members, who represent 85% of pilots at NA, voted in favour. The shrinking rump are represented by the Transport Workers’ Union and The Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA), which are the main unions for Qantas mainline.

In response to the planned industrial action, Qantas said that, as of this morning, it has cancelled 50% of the 50 or so daily flights flown by NA. In response to questions from Crikey, the airline said in a statement last night that it has “finalised contingency plans … to the planned industrial action”.

“This includes redeploying Qantas 737 jets for intra-WA flying, utilising aircraft from other charter operators and moving some flights to other days. Where there are seats available, we’re also moving customers on to other airlines to minimise disruption to school holiday travel,” the company said. That will likely be cold comfort to those affected by the cancellations in the east coast schedule. For each 737 that is brought to Perth, between two and six flights will be cancelled.

AFAP senior industrial officer Chris Aikens told Crikey, “It is disappointing that Qantas management is not working on resolving this issue to avoid any industrial action for Western Australia’s travelling public. Instead of providing a reasonable offer to WA-based pilots that could potentially have suspended the stop-work action, the company appears to be putting its energy into trying to take B737 pilots away from eastern state passenger services to fly the lucrative charter contracts for the mining companies.”

“These B737 pilots are paid around 40% more than the network pilots who would have normally flown these charter and passenger flights around regional WA. This just reinforces the current inequitable situation where Network [Aviation] pilots’ pay and conditions are so much worse than their peers’ for essentially doing the same work. The Network pilots are simply asking for something that is affordable and sustainable for the company and its workforce.”

The decision by Qantas chief executive Vanessa Hudson to partly “break” the NA strike by using Qantas mainline pilots appears to fly in the face of her recent apologies by way of videos to staff and customers, as well as an unconvincing appearance before a Senate inquiry last week with her chair Richard Goyder, now universally described as “embattled”.

She is also forcing mainline pilots to be strike-breakers, as they will otherwise risk breaking their own contracts, pilots said.

“We know that post-COVID we haven’t always delivered to what our customers expect but we are listening and we hear what they are saying,” Hudson said
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‘Workers put through hell’: Qantas loses High Court appeal over sacking of 1,700 staff

Read More“As a company, our job is to get the balance right between looking after our customers, you our people and the business itself. Right now achieving this balance must first start with our customers and that’s what we’ll be focused on with our management team.”

Still, amid disruptions the NA strike has on the mining sector, one can only imagine the pressure that Goyder has had from fellow West Australians Andrew Forrest and Gina Rinehart, as well as executives from BHP, Rio Tinto and other miners.

And here lies the exquisite dilemma that Hudson finds herself in only a month into the job: look after the company’s core corporate clientele or try and deliver on recent promises to improve things for regular punters. In today’s Australia, the corporations always win.

Customers are unlikely to be heartened by Qantas’ claim that customers who won’t be able to travel “on Wednesday because of the work stoppages” will be contacted to “discuss alternative travel options” and that they can “request a full refund if they no longer wish to fly”.

Pilots from two other Qantas subsidiaries, Sunstate and Eastern Australia Airlines, are also negotiating with Qantas management over a new pay deal and have voted in favour of protected industrial action. But as yet, no decisions have yet been made.

NA chief operating officer Trevor Worgan claimed that the proposed agreement “offers our pilots significant pay rises and more guaranteed days off each roster period and we’re disappointed the AFAP has chosen to move towards industrial action while we have been trying to negotiate”.

The problem is that, in reality, it does not. At the core of the dispute is an enterprise agreement that expired on October 31, 2020, four years after it was signed in 2016. So NA pilots have not seen a pay increase in almost four years, a delay that has seen many fall below award rates of pay.

Pilots at NA and Qantas’ other regional subsidiaries have long complained of being treated as third-class workers, after those working for Qantas mainline and Jetstar.

“Network Aviation is the backbone of Qantas operations in Western Australia, it is a very successful and highly profitable part of the Qantas group,” another pilot said.

‘All skeleton’: Can Qantas’ new CEO salvage an airline amid the wreckage?

Read MoreWhat used to be a small charter operator at Perth Airport has grown to cover all the regional ports in Western Australia and has replaced Qantas mainline services offering the same service at a significantly lower price. The aircraft are painted red and look the same as Qantas, but the pilots, cabin crew, engineers and ground staff earn significantly less than their Qantas counterparts for doing the same job — and work harder for less money.

“During COVID, Network Aviation continued to operate and actually expanded due to FIFO in Western Australia booming,” the pilot continued. “This more than doubled the flying time, but cost-cutting management did not double the pilot numbers, choosing to just work existing staff harder. The pilots earn 40% less than Qantas for doing an identical job. They also have significantly less benefits.”

Pilots who will fly Qantas 737s to cover some of the strike-affected NA schedule will receive almost double the salary of pilots flying similar A320 aircraft operated by NA.

Meanwhile, the threadbare state of Qantas’ maintenance and its lack of any backup aircraft for its long-haul routes continues to be exposed with a string of flight cancellations and delays pummeling passengers flying offshore during the school holidays.

For example, on September 23 Qantas cancelled two out of its three daily flights from Los Angeles to Australia. One of these was due to a sick pilot who could not be replaced because “no one will pick up the phone anymore”, according to an international pilot. This past weekend, Qantas QF1 to Singapore and London — an A380 — was delayed by 24 hours, as it had some air conditioning system work that needed to be done.

“As normal, no parts, no people and poor management,” an engineer explained
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Moving beyond PIA itself, what are the specific things Network pilots want from their new EA?
I’ll start by saying I see no reason why you shouldn’t be paid at least what a QF SH pilot gets paid for doing almost the exact same job.

Having seen the proposed EA that I gather has now been pulled, you had managed to negotiate some reasonable gains. So what would you like improved in it? That’s the point of taking PIA after all.

Looks like base pay is well up, despite a pay freeze (which is a joke) there is a 10% pay rise from 2022-2023. Plus the A320 has another ~10% additional. It’s still more than 6% below JQ A320 pay though.
The overtime threshold now kicks in at a lower figure, much lower than JQ but still higher than QF SH. Not knowing how many hours you regularly do I’m not sure if this is of much help or not.
Working day off payment appears to be up nearly 400% but you don’t want to rely on such payments to manage your budget.
Extra RDO.
Improved allowances and some tightening of accomodation standards.

I’m hoping the PIA announced, and the threat of more, will compel Qantas to give you what you are worth. So what are the big ticket items that pilots want improved from this first offer?
Grievances-

Reserve forming the backbone of a roster (7-8 in a 28 day roster period is not uncommon) with basically no limitations on use and a 90 minute call out- thus need to get babysitters on standby to cover the whole day.

Reserves not counting as duty coupled with annual duty target averaging 38 hours per week, rather than a limit per roster period means, after subtracting annual leave, you spend ~45 hours a week (sometimes more) at work or available to the company.

No DTA means a lot of time spent on the ground at no cost to the company and no benefit to the crew.

RDOs aren’t protected either side so you end up working late on last day and early on first- truncated weekends on most occasions.

Far too much roster flexibility. Can change at no cost to them up to four hours earlier as little as two days before.

I’m sure there are many others but that’s their general flavour.
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The decision by Qantas chief executive Vanessa Hudson to partly “break” the NA strike by using Qantas mainline pilots appears to fly in the face of her recent apologies by way of videos to staff and customers, as well as an unconvincing appearance before a Senate inquiry last week with her chair Richard Goyder, now universally described as “embattled”.

She is also forcing mainline pilots to be strike-breakers, as they will otherwise risk breaking their own contracts, pilots said.
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Pilots who will fly Qantas 737s to cover some of the strike-affected NA schedule will receive almost double the salary of pilots flying similar A320 aircraft operated by NA.
Pretty much says it all. Rather than fix the festering sore that is the multiple group entities operating the same equipment for vastly different reward, she will attempt to use the most expensive pilots to break the least expensive pilots.
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Read the above posts.

It been made abundantly clear if you VOLUNTARILY work on a day off over the next few days that assists your company position aircraft into WA or operates NA routes on Wednesday then you’ll be added to the list.

NO ONE will have a problem with you being called off reserve to operate.
so let me get this straight. A pilot with no affiliation to Network and is not involved in PIA decides to work on a day off to make some extra money for their family. But if they do they will be added to “the list”……which in the grand scheme of things is about as useful as used toilet paper. How long do you expect everyone to not work on a day off to support another companies PIA?? A one off, a week, every time??? Big picture, Network is in PIA. Go for it and do your best but if you think the rest of australia are going to join you in essentially unprotected industrial action then you’re very misguided
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so let me get this straight. A pilot with no affiliation to Network and is not involved in PIA decides to work on a day off to make some extra money for their family. But if they do they will be added to “the list”……which in the grand scheme of things is about as useful as used toilet paper. How long do you expect everyone to not work on a day off to support another companies PIA?? A one off, a week, every time??? Big picture, Network is in PIA. Go for it and do your best but if you think the rest of australia are going to join you in essentially unprotected industrial action then you’re very misguided
Go work your day off champ. Thankfully you won’t be sitting next to me.

The only reason you’re being asked to work your day off is because NA Pilots are conducting PIA…

Im sure you’ll be welcomed into the jumpseat the next time you get stuck in Broome/Exmouth/Darwin/the Goldy when there is no seats left to get home.

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so let me get this straight. A pilot with no affiliation to Network and is not involved in PIA decides to work on a day off to make some extra money for their family. But if they do they will be added to “the list”……which in the grand scheme of things is about as useful as used toilet paper. How long do you expect everyone to not work on a day off to support another companies PIA?? A one off, a week, every time??? Big picture, Network is in PIA. Go for it and do your best but if you think the rest of australia are going to join you in essentially unprotected industrial action then you’re very misguided
Not working on your DO is not "unprotected industrial action"

It's called showing a bit of solidarity in trying to improve conditions which have been continually attacked and eroded for the last few decades.


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I would think that the rest of the pilot body would see this unique opportunity and work to rule.

The only way QF going to stop nailing down conditions in the subsidiaries is to learn.

Look at the USA, the regionals used to be a disgrace on the pay front…….
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so let me get this straight. A pilot with no affiliation to Network and is not involved in PIA decides to work on a day off to make some extra money for their family. But if they do they will be added to “the list”……which in the grand scheme of things is about as useful as used toilet paper. How long do you expect everyone to not work on a day off to support another companies PIA?? A one off, a week, every time??? Big picture, Network is in PIA. Go for it and do your best but if you think the rest of australia are going to join you in essentially unprotected industrial action then you’re very misguided
So let me get this straight...
Your neighbour gets robbed upon his return from the bank. In his haste, the villain, known in the community, drops some of the loot in your backyard. You are faced with a decision, support your neighbour in finding his loot (all of it), or spend your 'find' on a weekend in Bali. Unbeknown to you, a few months down the line the villain arrives at your door to repeat his act - what would you expect your neighbour to do here...
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so let me get this straight. A pilot with no affiliation to Network and is not involved in PIA decides to work on a day off to make some extra money for their family. But if they do they will be added to “the list”……which in the grand scheme of things is about as useful as used toilet paper.
Are we comparing QF mainline pilots coming in on their day off on Wednesday to 2nd hand toilet paper?
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Yeah good luck with all that.
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How long do you expect everyone to not work on a day off to support another companies PIA?? A one off, a week, every time??? Big picture, Network is in PIA. Go for it and do your best but if you think the rest of australia are going to join you in essentially unprotected industrial action then you’re very misguided
Without having to go into vast details to explain unity, unionism or collectivism…..Every time

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It’s very easy to make a roster adjustment, legally.

if the shoe was on the other foot- how would mainline folk feel if Network were covering their PIA flying?

Look after each other within the rule book

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