Network Aviation PIA
Well they are either stupid (I don't think they are) or they are fresh out of ideas and resorting to empty threats to try and scare a few people. It worked.. on one or two people only 😂
I await the pearlers from the JQ ‘cough’ I mean QF playbook.
We absolutely want to do a deal that rewards our people for the great work that they do every day but we're not going to do that at any cost.
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We absolutely want to do a deal that rewards our people for the great work that they do every day but we're not going to do that at any cost.
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With the roster SMS texts for this weekend off the charts…. Personal texts from SH crewing…. Emails from local base teams AND base managers (who never email about anything) all happening today….. let’s just say, there is enough discord in the SH ranks that we are definitely not the contingency they think they have….. smash it out of the park Network and lay the ground work for us and the rest of the group to follow!!!!
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With the roster SMS texts for this weekend off the charts…. Personal texts from SH crewing…. Emails from local base teams AND base managers (who never email about anything) all happening today….. let’s just say, there is enough discord in the SH ranks that we are definitely not the contingency they think they have….. smash it out of the park Network and lay the ground work for us and the rest of the group to follow!!!!
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lay the ground work for us and the rest of the group to follow!!!!
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Yes, mainline pilots are to blame and subsidiary pilots, especially network pilots armrest the messiah (plural).
In all seriousness, full support to the network pilots during their PIA. We’re all behind you
In all seriousness, full support to the network pilots during their PIA. We’re all behind you
You really are dense No Upgrade. You want unity, but every chance you get you denigrate Qf mainline pilots on this forum. Pretty stupid way to appeal for help.
You also show your ignorance of IR law and history.
a) Pilots don’t get to vote on whether their employer buys a new subsidy.
b) Mainline pilots took PIA to protect their flying and it got shut down by the Federal Government.
Qantas successfully used the threat of farming out mainline flying to other operators over the last decade. (Not an idle threat given they’ve done exactly that to varying degrees). Network pilots are in a strong position though, as there is no such threat hanging over their heads. The new jets are already on their way so the pilots can push hard for well deserved improvements.
Good luck to the Network pilots.
You also show your ignorance of IR law and history.
a) Pilots don’t get to vote on whether their employer buys a new subsidy.
b) Mainline pilots took PIA to protect their flying and it got shut down by the Federal Government.
Qantas successfully used the threat of farming out mainline flying to other operators over the last decade. (Not an idle threat given they’ve done exactly that to varying degrees). Network pilots are in a strong position though, as there is no such threat hanging over their heads. The new jets are already on their way so the pilots can push hard for well deserved improvements.
Good luck to the Network pilots.
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If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is bickering amongst pilot groups. Hold your egos and petty insults in check and support whoever and whatever action is taking place to raise conditions. A rising tide lifts all boats.
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Let’s just say you definitely are….easy to talk the talk for one day. What will you do over weeks and months? Yup.
Like you’ve been laying the ground work all these years? Voting in QF alter ego carriers and B scales for your 3% and a few carrots. So PLEASE stop, the rest of the group are following….in the remnants of YOUR destruction of pilot conditions in Australia.
Like you’ve been laying the ground work all these years? Voting in QF alter ego carriers and B scales for your 3% and a few carrots. So PLEASE stop, the rest of the group are following….in the remnants of YOUR destruction of pilot conditions in Australia.
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Let’s just say you definitely are….easy to talk the talk for one day. What will you do over weeks and months? Yup.
Like you’ve been laying the ground work all these years? Voting in QF alter ego carriers and B scales for your 3% and a few carrots. So PLEASE stop, the rest of the group are following….in the remnants of YOUR destruction of pilot conditions in Australia.
Like you’ve been laying the ground work all these years? Voting in QF alter ego carriers and B scales for your 3% and a few carrots. So PLEASE stop, the rest of the group are following….in the remnants of YOUR destruction of pilot conditions in Australia.
I was looking at an article ( NZ media) this morning that had some relevance to any working group that took a pay freeze in recent history.
This paragraph seemed like a good practical example of what many pilot groups need to be aware of.
It shows the long term power ( and savings if you’re an employer) of pay freezes.
What you get in dollar terms actually doesn’t matter, it’s what you can do with it that matters and where you sit compared to your neighbour is important with respect to buying power/ lifestyle etc.
This paragraph seemed like a good practical example of what many pilot groups need to be aware of.
Quote:
The report shows that in 1998, beginning teachers on average earned $596.15 a week - 6 percent more than the average wage. Regular pay boosts over the following decade kept their pay around about that, but a pay freeze in 2010 saw their earnings fall below the average Kiwi by 2012 - and it is yet to recover.
By last year, the average beginner teacher was earning $953.62 a week - 60 percent more than in 1998, but now 14 percent below the average income. In 1998 they earned 127 percent more than the minimum wage in 1998 - down to 61 percent in 2018.
The report shows that in 1998, beginning teachers on average earned $596.15 a week - 6 percent more than the average wage. Regular pay boosts over the following decade kept their pay around about that, but a pay freeze in 2010 saw their earnings fall below the average Kiwi by 2012 - and it is yet to recover.
By last year, the average beginner teacher was earning $953.62 a week - 60 percent more than in 1998, but now 14 percent below the average income. In 1998 they earned 127 percent more than the minimum wage in 1998 - down to 61 percent in 2018.
It shows the long term power ( and savings if you’re an employer) of pay freezes.
What you get in dollar terms actually doesn’t matter, it’s what you can do with it that matters and where you sit compared to your neighbour is important with respect to buying power/ lifestyle etc.
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The New Daily- Scott Riches
For Qantas to move forward and access the silver lining of the post-Joyce cloud, open dialogue will be paramount. Messages will need to be strong, clear and honest.
Workers will be on high alert for duplicitous “help us to help you” narratives, and they will have a better sense for the business’ true objectives than they are given credit for.
While most workers will not always articulate their perceptions in a way that lands well with a corporate board, they can read the tea leaves and get a feel for what the business is really about.
If Qantas proceeds with limp and patronising dialogue, it will fail.
If, on the other hand, they rebuild workplace relationships with dignity and respect, they will reignite the goodwill of their most ardent and effective brand ambassadors.
But whatever happens, Vanessa Hudson won’t get the opportunity to make her mark on the business and seize the once-in-a-career opportunities before her until she’s been able to step out of the Goyder-Joyce shadow she’s in right now.
That creates a tough position for Goyder if he’s going to put the interests of the national carrier before his own, but no tougher than the position faced by the 1700 sacked workers a couple of years back.
A key difference is, unlike most of those workers, Richard Goyder will still have a couple of side gigs to keep him going.
Workers will be on high alert for duplicitous “help us to help you” narratives, and they will have a better sense for the business’ true objectives than they are given credit for.
While most workers will not always articulate their perceptions in a way that lands well with a corporate board, they can read the tea leaves and get a feel for what the business is really about.
If Qantas proceeds with limp and patronising dialogue, it will fail.
If, on the other hand, they rebuild workplace relationships with dignity and respect, they will reignite the goodwill of their most ardent and effective brand ambassadors.
But whatever happens, Vanessa Hudson won’t get the opportunity to make her mark on the business and seize the once-in-a-career opportunities before her until she’s been able to step out of the Goyder-Joyce shadow she’s in right now.
That creates a tough position for Goyder if he’s going to put the interests of the national carrier before his own, but no tougher than the position faced by the 1700 sacked workers a couple of years back.
A key difference is, unlike most of those workers, Richard Goyder will still have a couple of side gigs to keep him going.
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Just remember this is an anonymous and open forum guys. You will get people making comments who:
a) have no idea
b) are trolls
c) are management from the other team
d) are trying to cause division in a subtle and cunning ways
Best to ignore them and not respond at all.
a) have no idea
b) are trolls
c) are management from the other team
d) are trying to cause division in a subtle and cunning ways
Best to ignore them and not respond at all.
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Can anyone here confirm if their rosters have been pre-managed/modified ahead of the PIA?
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