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Old 1st Jan 2023, 03:22
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Originally Posted by sandsthrudahrglass
" international jet experience " means jack and counts for nothing when trying to get a job or trying to progress with just about every airline down under. In particular the red flying rat!.
Originally Posted by Australopithecus
In fact it counts against you because Qantas. But that’s another story, .
I'm sure all the guys and gals at subsidiaries of Qantas would be glad to hear that! Your insightful and intimate knowledge of mainline hiring preferences means they won't have to worry about anyone coming to mainline from international carriers. Phew!
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 03:52
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Originally Posted by sandsthrudahrglass
" international jet experience " means jack and counts for nothing when trying to get a job or trying to progress with just about every airline down under. In particular the red flying rat!
Large proportion joining mainline as S/Os atm are ex HK, CX or Dragon. Last I heard several hundred applications for this round of recruitment from Cathay alone.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 04:09
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
In fact it counts against you because Qantas. But that’s another story, and would quickly be moot if the company decided it needed yet another wedge group to provide downward pressure on wages.
They mustn’t have looked very closely at the experience of 3/4 of the S/O’s getting hired at the moment with significant jet time then.

Clearly don’t know much about the topic.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 04:15
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Yeah, clearly. I am somewhat aware of the current hiring practices, and aware of the backgrounds of the recently hired with whom I fly. Even the rare ex CX etc ones. Ask those guys the next time if the hiring process was streamlined because of their prior jet experience.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 04:19
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Originally Posted by morno
They mustn’t have looked very closely at the experience of 3/4 of the S/O’s getting hired at the moment with significant jet time then.

Clearly don’t know much about the topic.
The experience levels and backgrounds of new recruits have changed throughout the years, if at one point jet experience was a negative it certainly isn’t now. As once upon a time being ex Eastern or Sunnies Dash 8 was almost an automatic rejection, now that’s not the case.

With about 5x as many applicants as recruits needed a lot of pilots are going to get rejection letters. Now if by chance one pilot and their mates from a particular background unfortunately all get rejection letters it may seem there’s an organised conspiracy to not recruit them, that simply isn’t the case. It’s usually just co-incidence.

Mainline, like any carrier, just want to recruit people who they know are likely to pass training and not incur further costs there or at any point in the future.

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Old 1st Jan 2023, 04:21
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
Yeah, clearly. I am somewhat aware of the current hiring practices, and aware of the backgrounds of the recently hired with whom I fly. Even the rare ex CX etc ones. Ask those guys the next time if the hiring process was streamlined because of their prior jet experience.
I don’t think anyone claimed that it made their hiring process more streamlined, but it definitely didn’t disadvantage them/us.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 04:22
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Originally Posted by dr dre
The experience levels and backgrounds of new recruits have changed throughout the years, if at one point jet experience was a negative it certainly isn’t now. As once upon a time being ex Eastern or Sunnies Dash 8 was almost an automatic rejection, now that’s not the case.

With about 5x as many applicants as recruits needed a lot of pilots are going to get rejection letters. Now if by chance one pilot and their mates from a particular background unfortunately all get rejection letters it may seem there’s an organised conspiracy to not recruit them, that simply isn’t the case. It’s usually just co-incidence.

Mainline, like any carrier, just want to recruit people who they know are likely to pass training and not incur further costs there or at any point in the future.
Exactly
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 13:39
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Soooooo how that EA going???…… anyone….. bueller???

Pretty much a sure bet the first one will be voted down. No one is optimistic except those lunatics in the office. And even a few of them have seen the trees…

Keep dreaming kids.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 20:38
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
$400K would be the extreme end, $300K would be more common..
As a year 1 Capt doing 70hrs per month, not chasing any hours, base pay is $300K.
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Old 28th Jan 2023, 05:56
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
As a year 1 Capt doing 70hrs per month, not chasing any hours, base pay is $300K.
70 hours a month short haul is working hard...



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Old 28th Jan 2023, 08:47
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
As a year 1 Capt doing 70hrs per month, not chasing any hours, base pay is $300K.
You know the aim of the game is to do the LEAST amount of hours. That’s why base pay or min guarantee is so important!
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Old 28th Jan 2023, 09:35
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
You know the aim of the game is to do the LEAST amount of hours. That’s why base pay or min guarantee is so important!
Wouldn’t that mean the hourly rate and trip RIGs are the important metrics? What’s the point of having a high base pay if it means you’re flogged for it? If you’re not currently flogged for it, you will be!


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Old 28th Jan 2023, 09:58
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Originally Posted by WillieTheWimp
Wouldn’t that mean the hourly rate and trip RIGs are the important metrics? What’s the point of having a high base pay if it means you’re flogged for it? If you’re not currently flogged for it, you will be!
Sorry I didn’t explain my thoughts well. A high base pay combined with a low overtime threshold and a high overtime figure is the goal.
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 22:46
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VQW painted up now , a nice little carrot indeed.
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 03:04
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Tipping The Scales

If not already, the scales at Network Aviation and further throughout the industry will soon start tipping heavily towards the employees...the local market has already changed

Qantas desperate to rehire staff who took redundancies or resigned

“As one of our cabin crew members who made an incredibly difficult decision to leave Qantas during the pandemic – we want to provide an update on how our recovery is going and the very different circumstances we’re operating in today.”

It said the business was “now back in profit and growing again...”




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Old 15th Feb 2023, 03:24
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[QUOTE=RealSatoshi;11385989]If not already, the scales at Network Aviation and further throughout the industry will soon start tipping heavily towards the employees...the local market has already changed

Qantas desperate to rehire staff who took redundancies or resigned

“As one of our cabin crew members who made an incredibly difficult decision to leave Qantas during the pandemic – we want to provide an update on how our recovery is going and the very different circumstances we’re operating in today.”

It said the business was “now back in profit and growing again...”



[/QUOTE

Not really interested in the pretty landscapes you fly but more how much you will pay us in this market. You want pilots pay them well.
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 05:22
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
VQW painted up now , a nice little carrot indeed.
You are smoking crack if you think pilots at network give an f about a ****ty ex jq a320 that's been covered in fire retardant from a hangar incident and probably a bucket of crap. Carrot my arse.
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 22:38
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You are smoking crack if you think pilots at network give an f about a ****ty ex jq a320 that's been covered in fire retardant from a hangar incident and probably a bucket of crap. Carrot my arse.
No crack needed to see 4 additional jets with the EBA open is high fives and promotions all round. What concessions were needed to meet the business case?

VQW did 8 years post incident work with Jetstar. I gather Network deserves new frames from France ? Now thats crack.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 01:01
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False dichotomy.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 01:05
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
No crack needed to see 4 additional jets with the EBA open is high fives and promotions all round.
Contrary to what Aviation Management thinks they got taught during their work-from-home MBA's, promotions to operate extra capacity is required to support the business case. Stop believing that it is a carrot to sign a sub standard EBA because a fraction of the pilot body will get a seat or type change.

If management could, they would operate all airframes with the cheapest cadets ((in both seats), that they could find - it's got nothing to do with paying a competitive and respectable wage. Do managers also get offered an inferior EBA because Joe Soap down the corridor got a seat closer to the coffee machine...thus promotions for all as everyone gets to move one seat closer
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