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Old 13th Dec 2022, 20:48
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Can someone share information regarding the breakdown of pay and benefits from the EBA? What does a first year FO make on both types?
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Jetstar minus 20%

That applies for pay and conditions
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 21:01
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Jetstar minus 20%

That applies for pay and conditions
i would have thought it more after the recent JQ vote
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 14:19
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Jetstar minus 20%

That applies for pay and conditions
What's the Jetstar pay grade?
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Old 15th Dec 2022, 07:44
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Originally Posted by airbus4lyfe
What's the Jetstar pay grade?
CPI minus 4%
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Old 16th Dec 2022, 00:35
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Where the Bin Chickens are a majestic creature sorting through waste to select only the finest of foods, the Seagulls of the West live in the sand scrapping for the old chips.
So what kind of bird best describes you Aussie?… oh actually don’t bother I just realised I don’t give a sh_t… idiot…
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Old 16th Dec 2022, 04:46
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Voting yes for anything less than Jetstar’s base salaries (available in the latest AFAP magazine emailed recently) would be an embarrassment….

Imagine pulling into Broome looking across at the 737 Captain parked next to you flying the same route (with less passengers on board) knowing they’re on $100k more than you. Time to stand up for your worth.
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Old 16th Dec 2022, 08:41
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Voting yes for anything less than Jetstar’s base salaries (available in the latest AFAP magazine emailed recently) would be an embarrassment….

Imagine pulling into Broome looking across at the 737 Captain parked next to you flying the same route (with less passengers on board) knowing they’re on $100k more than you. Time to stand up for your worth.
lol. 737 captains if they chase hours can out earn a network captain easily by 200k
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Old 17th Dec 2022, 09:08
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With Jetstar, Qantas Main line, Virgin Australia, Alliance, Cobham, Atlas, Kalita Air, Singapore, Cathay and Emirates all advertising for Pilots, Network management might be in for a shock next year.
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Old 18th Dec 2022, 10:51
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Originally Posted by stevieboy330
With Jetstar, Qantas Main line, Virgin Australia, Alliance, Cobham, Atlas, Kalita Air, Singapore, Cathay and Emirates all advertising for Pilots, Network management might be in for a shock next year.
Network won’t be releasing more than one pilot per month to any other Q Group internal companies. I’d be surprised if they even allowed that.

I’m sure many are looking at Atlas etc along with the Middle East
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 21:48
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lol. 737 captains if they chase hours can out earn a network captain easily by 200k
Really? Circa 400k for a QF 73 skipper? I call Bulls hit
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 22:17
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Really? Circa 400k for a QF 73 skipper? I call Bulls hit
I know a 737 Skipper who did.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 22:22
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I know a 737 Skipper who did.
There’s more than a few.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 22:36
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Originally Posted by airdualbleedfault
Really? Circa 400k for a QF 73 skipper? I call Bulls hit
There’s 13 x 28 day rosters in a year.

If for 11.5 of those you did 87 hours, you’d go close to hitting your 1000 hour annual limit. For the remaining 6 weeks you could take annual leave for which you would be paid your average hours, which would be 87.

87 x 13 = 1131

1131 x current year 4 hourly rate = $398k. Add allowances, super and training into that, and you’re over $400k.

All of that presupposes that there is additional flying to pick up AND that a pilot is motivated to chase those hours, but it can be done.

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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 01:11
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$400K would be the extreme end, $300K would be more common.

Either way NAA/QF have been arrogant enough to manipulate the pilot bodies to accept this situation. Now is the time to reverse and correct this.
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Old 24th Dec 2022, 07:57
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With the new Jetstar EBA being approved the base pay rate for 320 FOs and CPTs will soon be 160k and 240k and substantially more when allowances are added.

How does this compare to the Network 320 drivers and is the company likely to match it?
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Old 24th Dec 2022, 08:54
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With the new Jetstar EBA being approved the base pay rate for 320 FOs and CPTs will soon be 160k and 240k and substantially more when allowances are added.

How does this compare to the Network 320 drivers and is the company likely to match it?

Much less, and no. In order to retain people long term they need to up the pay substantially, to a point where the lower cost model becomes unsustainable. Even with an increased pay there are jobs with better conditions and career diversity out there. They see NAA as a stepping stone to get some jet time for somewhere else.
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Old 25th Dec 2022, 03:04
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Really? Circa 400k for a QF 73 skipper? I call Bulls hit
I know multiple skippers who have done it. 420 is the biggest number I’ve heard
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Old 25th Dec 2022, 06:45
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I know multiple skippers who have done it. 420 is the biggest number I’ve heard
relatively easy to do.
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Old 25th Dec 2022, 08:17
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In order to retain people long term they need to up the pay substantially, to a point where the lower cost model becomes unsustainable
That is not really true. Pilot wages are such a small part of the overall costs that even a 20% increase would not kill the business model of LCC.

Total crew costs are between 13-16% of operating costs. Not that significant but management can squeeze so they do. Hard to squeeze fuel sellers and airport fees.
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Old 26th Dec 2022, 02:47
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Originally Posted by SixDemonBag
relatively easy to do.
I have seen an end of year pay for $461K in 2018. But that was with additional duties to fill in the remaining days of the life that pilot does not have. Super, meals etc adds approx $50K to however many hours you can chase. But chasing hours≠a life.

I have never met an Australian pilot who didn’t deserve a life at least as good as our American cousins. We just, as a group, have to demand it. Hopefully the industrial laws will change soon so that there can be a future in aviation in this country.
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