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Old 27th January 2023 | 13:39
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Soooooo how that EA going???…… anyone….. bueller???

Pretty much a sure bet the first one will be voted down. No one is optimistic except those lunatics in the office. And even a few of them have seen the trees…

Keep dreaming kids.
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Old 27th January 2023 | 20:38
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
$400K would be the extreme end, $300K would be more common..
As a year 1 Capt doing 70hrs per month, not chasing any hours, base pay is $300K.
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Old 28th January 2023 | 05:56
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As a year 1 Capt doing 70hrs per month, not chasing any hours, base pay is $300K.
70 hours a month short haul is working hard...



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Old 28th January 2023 | 08:47
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
As a year 1 Capt doing 70hrs per month, not chasing any hours, base pay is $300K.
You know the aim of the game is to do the LEAST amount of hours. That’s why base pay or min guarantee is so important!
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Old 28th January 2023 | 09:35
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
You know the aim of the game is to do the LEAST amount of hours. That’s why base pay or min guarantee is so important!
Wouldn’t that mean the hourly rate and trip RIGs are the important metrics? What’s the point of having a high base pay if it means you’re flogged for it? If you’re not currently flogged for it, you will be!


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Old 28th January 2023 | 09:58
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Originally Posted by WillieTheWimp
Wouldn’t that mean the hourly rate and trip RIGs are the important metrics? What’s the point of having a high base pay if it means you’re flogged for it? If you’re not currently flogged for it, you will be!
Sorry I didn’t explain my thoughts well. A high base pay combined with a low overtime threshold and a high overtime figure is the goal.
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Old 14th February 2023 | 22:46
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VQW painted up now , a nice little carrot indeed.
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Old 15th February 2023 | 03:04
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Tipping The Scales

If not already, the scales at Network Aviation and further throughout the industry will soon start tipping heavily towards the employees...the local market has already changed

Qantas desperate to rehire staff who took redundancies or resigned

“As one of our cabin crew members who made an incredibly difficult decision to leave Qantas during the pandemic – we want to provide an update on how our recovery is going and the very different circumstances we’re operating in today.”

It said the business was “now back in profit and growing again...”




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Old 15th February 2023 | 03:24
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[QUOTE=RealSatoshi;11385989]If not already, the scales at Network Aviation and further throughout the industry will soon start tipping heavily towards the employees...the local market has already changed

Qantas desperate to rehire staff who took redundancies or resigned

“As one of our cabin crew members who made an incredibly difficult decision to leave Qantas during the pandemic – we want to provide an update on how our recovery is going and the very different circumstances we’re operating in today.”

It said the business was “now back in profit and growing again...”



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Not really interested in the pretty landscapes you fly but more how much you will pay us in this market. You want pilots pay them well.
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Old 15th February 2023 | 05:22
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
VQW painted up now , a nice little carrot indeed.
You are smoking crack if you think pilots at network give an f about a !!!!ty ex jq a320 that's been covered in fire retardant from a hangar incident and probably a bucket of crap. Carrot my arse.
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Old 15th February 2023 | 22:38
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You are smoking crack if you think pilots at network give an f about a !!!!ty ex jq a320 that's been covered in fire retardant from a hangar incident and probably a bucket of crap. Carrot my arse.
No crack needed to see 4 additional jets with the EBA open is high fives and promotions all round. What concessions were needed to meet the business case?

VQW did 8 years post incident work with Jetstar. I gather Network deserves new frames from France ? Now thats crack.
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Old 16th February 2023 | 01:01
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False dichotomy.
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Old 16th February 2023 | 01:05
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
No crack needed to see 4 additional jets with the EBA open is high fives and promotions all round.
Contrary to what Aviation Management thinks they got taught during their work-from-home MBA's, promotions to operate extra capacity is required to support the business case. Stop believing that it is a carrot to sign a sub standard EBA because a fraction of the pilot body will get a seat or type change.

If management could, they would operate all airframes with the cheapest cadets ((in both seats), that they could find - it's got nothing to do with paying a competitive and respectable wage. Do managers also get offered an inferior EBA because Joe Soap down the corridor got a seat closer to the coffee machine...thus promotions for all as everyone gets to move one seat closer
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Old 16th February 2023 | 01:35
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Has anyone got the pay rates on offer in the proposed EBA?
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Old 16th February 2023 | 02:20
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
Has anyone got the pay rates on offer in the proposed EBA?
Jetstar minus 20%
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Old 16th February 2023 | 04:07
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
You know the aim of the game is to do the LEAST amount of hours. That’s why base pay or min guarantee is so important!
Agree. Was only pointing out that at an average of 70hrs per month, the base pay without allowances etc would be $300K. To get to $400K means a lot of extra work and bugger all days off.

Is 70hrs “working hard”? I think so, others may have different views. However, it’s an average months work in short haul.

Probably why some stick to longhaul.
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Old 16th February 2023 | 04:56
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Agree. Was only pointing out that at an average of 70hrs per month, the base pay without allowances etc would be $300K. To get to $400K means a lot of extra work and bugger all days off.

Is 70hrs “working hard”? I think so, others may have different views. However, it’s an average months work in short haul.

Probably why some stick to longhaul.

Do you mean 70 hours per month, which equates to around 64.5 hours per 4 week roster?

Or 70 hours per roster, which is 75.8 hours a month?
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Old 21st February 2023 | 02:37
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I don't get why everyone is hating on Network Pilots & mocking them for flying to the Pilbara. Don't you think they would rather be at mainline flying a 787 or domestic on a 737 earning $300k ? not everyone is that fortunate. It's like hating someone because they don't own a big house in Cottesloe. Should they walk off the job and stop feeding their families because they feel like they should get paid more?
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Old 23rd February 2023 | 04:17
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QF Press release :
Five mid-life A319/320 aircraft to support the growth of the resources market in Western Australia, for delivery next year.

It’s not clear if these are additional airframes, or end of lease replacements .
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Old 23rd February 2023 | 04:34
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and that DC is a pretty good summation of Australian aviation . . . . . collectively we will never improve our lot for that reason.
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