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Old 27th Nov 2022, 22:56
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Network EBA

Negotiations are well underway against an interesting industrial environment (to say the least). Jetstar just voted up an agreement including a BOOT allowance to keep clear of the award. Any thoughts on how this plays out for Network (where the base pay is currently well below JQ’s, so would theoretically need an even bigger BOOT allowance)?
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27th Mar 2023, 02:41
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Originally Posted by walesregent
It’s important for everyone to realise that we may be standing at the precipice of a once in a generation opportunity to actually achieve some improvements in pay and conditions. Other threads indicate that the group is staring at a pretty small and disinterested pool of candidates (did someone say 10 applicants to jq following the latest ad?), the usual demographic problem and, of course, fierce competition from the US and elsewhere. Add to this expansion plans and other AOCs running close to capacity and dare I say we might be in the midst of a pilot shortage? (Maybe only technically so, but the advantage is as good as it gets).
From an outsiders perspective...

The now expired by 2.5 years Network EBA consists of 25 pages - The soon to expire (31 August 2023) QF Short Haul EBA consists of 128 pages.

At this time, with everything in your favour and Multi-Employer Bargaining written into law...there is no excuse not to be presented with an EBA which in structure and detail mirrors the QF Short Haul EBA. The company will argue that operations are different and they are, but the protections and provisions sought and deserved are not - take the QF Short Haul EBA, copy the structure and fill in the blanks where there are real and tangible differences.

This is the first step for all group companies to get back on a level playing field, albeit only by protections and provisions. Any laissez fare attempt by a union not to present the pilot body with a well structured and planned EBA as illustrated above should be laughed at. The time to be respected in this industry is now, not tomorrow, not the next EBA. The end of the Financial Year is coming and there are some that will be hard pressed to make their KPI's by getting it signed, so as to secure another bonus and share allocation - don't be fooled.

Prepare now for what they are not telling you, as that is always where the danger in these things lie...think FRMS / International layovers / Red-eye flights / Fleet change...leave no stone unturned.

Good Luck!
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Boot allowance? Is that where you get 10% off a pair of RM Williams?
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Old 28th Nov 2022, 00:10
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Go hard ladies and gentlemen.

If not now when? Flights being cancelled all around the country due to lack of crew AT ALL AIRLINES.

To the media who read this. The airlines are trying to disguise the current state of crew shortages because it reflects directly on their management practices. Covid gets the blame for almost everything, including lost luggage. Shine the torch in there and find the REAL story.

Good luck to Network crew.
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Old 28th Nov 2022, 00:21
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Originally Posted by smiling monkey
Boot allowance? Is that where you get 10% off a pair of RM Williams?
I’d vote for that……
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Company won't even have a Christmas party due to "covid" what a disgrace....
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Keep it simple and piggy-back J*
Nothing less
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Old 28th Nov 2022, 02:58
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Especially on the verge of a global pilot shortage...US subsidiary regionals are now offering the equivalent of an AUD 235K bonus just to join. I'm sure a few years back when they were negotiating their contracts the pilots were told that the airline couldn't afford more than a 2% or 3% pay rise...point being they can.

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The QF IR Playbook states that they are to threaten to outsource your work to Alliance/NJS/QLink and also offer you the ‘opportunity’ to operate the 2nd Tranche of A220.
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Christmas Parties aren’t included in a 5 page bare-bones EBA. It’s the sacrifice they have to make to secure the Winton A321s. “Strategic Imperatives”.
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Who actually cares. But not what I heard - it still is happening just a dif month,
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JQ had S/O’s and cascading ratio’s to help lift their case.

Network do not.

Whilst Network pilots continue to feed off the promotion / new type promise, they will continue to be given the scraps.

Add to that new management all round, all desperate to make their mark…… good luck
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....and what new type would that be, Jack?
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Old 3rd Dec 2022, 06:39
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Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
....and what new type would that be, Jack?
2nd round of A220s coming your way Network pilots!!
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Yeah as hand me down, engineering nightmares in about 20 years time. As above, they get the scraps.
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Where the Bin Chickens are a majestic creature sorting through waste to select only the finest of foods, the Seagulls of the West live in the sand scrapping for the old chips.
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A220s??
Seriously??
And why would anyone in Network possibly be interested in that toy?
I thought you were going to say A330s
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Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
A220s??
Seriously??
And why would anyone in Network possibly be interested in that toy?
I thought you were going to say A330s
Network pilots at one point reckoned they were going to be flying the 321XLR. Or the first batch of A220s (although that rumour may have credence as I heard NJS management were hinting to NJS pilots they may possibly put the 220 in Network as a tactic to get NJS pilots to vote up that EA earlier this year).

Network's entire model is to fly aircraft that are at the end of their high daily density RPT life and operate them on low daily density charters, which is not where you put brand new aircraft.

But they keep getting told by their superiors that there's "heaps" of new aircraft "just around the corner", so stay here for a command and don't jump ship. Isn't working apparently as a whole bunch just jumped ship to Atlas, and dozens on the mainline hold file too. A lot who came from HK during Covid looking to go elsewhere too apparently.
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The Network and VARA models are designed to maximise earnings from mining contracts whilst keeping costs as low as possible. The model is built around cheap leases and labour. Sure, they could throw new aircraft out west, but margins will head south. Those who are pushing the line that new toys are coming have been brainwashed. Pull your head in and wake up.

You would be better off jumping the fence to Virgin who from what I gather is merging with mainline minus the Airbus. Whilst mainline crews have taken a haircut in recent times , certainly is more favourable in the longer run especially if one wants a left seat east coast base. Network Left seat is a dead end job.
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Although it's not a fait accompli, but if Qantas gets the ACCC over the line to take over Alliance then it will play the NJS, Network and Alliance drivers off each other to get the best deal for the shiny new things coming along in the sub-150 seat segment. I can imagine that Alliance gets all the F100s to keep the rest of the fleet going and gradually replaces them with the E190s, leaving Network as the cheap A320 operator using the hand-me-downs from JQ.
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Can someone share information regarding the breakdown of pay and benefits from the EBA? What does a first year FO make on both types?
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