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Old 16th Feb 2023, 01:35
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Has anyone got the pay rates on offer in the proposed EBA?
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 02:20
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Has anyone got the pay rates on offer in the proposed EBA?
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 04:07
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
You know the aim of the game is to do the LEAST amount of hours. That’s why base pay or min guarantee is so important!
Agree. Was only pointing out that at an average of 70hrs per month, the base pay without allowances etc would be $300K. To get to $400K means a lot of extra work and bugger all days off.

Is 70hrs “working hard”? I think so, others may have different views. However, it’s an average months work in short haul.

Probably why some stick to longhaul.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 04:56
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Agree. Was only pointing out that at an average of 70hrs per month, the base pay without allowances etc would be $300K. To get to $400K means a lot of extra work and bugger all days off.

Is 70hrs “working hard”? I think so, others may have different views. However, it’s an average months work in short haul.

Probably why some stick to longhaul.

Do you mean 70 hours per month, which equates to around 64.5 hours per 4 week roster?

Or 70 hours per roster, which is 75.8 hours a month?
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 07:01
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high fives and promotions all round.
Promotions so they can still earn less than mainline FO’s and Captains at most other narrowbody operators.
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Old 21st Feb 2023, 02:37
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I don't get why everyone is hating on Network Pilots & mocking them for flying to the Pilbara. Don't you think they would rather be at mainline flying a 787 or domestic on a 737 earning $300k ? not everyone is that fortunate. It's like hating someone because they don't own a big house in Cottesloe. Should they walk off the job and stop feeding their families because they feel like they should get paid more?
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 04:17
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QF Press release :
Five mid-life A319/320 aircraft to support the growth of the resources market in Western Australia, for delivery next year.

It’s not clear if these are additional airframes, or end of lease replacements .
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 04:34
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and that DC is a pretty good summation of Australian aviation . . . . . collectively we will never improve our lot for that reason.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 05:05
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Originally Posted by DC1996
I don't get why everyone is hating on Network Pilots & mocking them for flying to the Pilbara. Don't you think they would rather be at mainline flying a 787 or domestic on a 737 earning $300k ? not everyone is that fortunate. It's like hating someone because they don't own a big house in Cottesloe. Should they walk off the job and stop feeding their families because they feel like they should get paid more?
It's not so much "hating on them" for their current predicament. But an acknowledgement that with the state of the pilot market that there are better opportunities out there, in the contract world, overseas etc. For some the role may suit, I think some who have been overseas for their careers may see it as a "retirement job" to see out their days, but the younger guys and girls can probably see better longer term opportunities.
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Old 24th Feb 2023, 00:20
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Originally Posted by dr dre
It's not so much "hating on them" for their current predicament. But an acknowledgement that with the state of the pilot market that there are better opportunities out there, in the contract world, overseas etc. For some the role may suit, I think some who have been overseas for their careers may see it as a "retirement job" to see out their days, but the younger guys and girls can probably see better longer term opportunities.
Not ‘hating’?? So making up derogatory names is what, friendly? Yeah right.

No one at NAA asked for mainline to purchase it. No one at NAA asked to have a wage policy that holds back the pilots from a resonable wage. No one asked for the string of Qantas managers that have done nothing more than used NAA as a spring board for their mainline (or JQ) careers.

NAA is OWNED by mainline. It is a reflection of that airline, only its starting point in terms of conditions and pay is lower.

Hate away. But hate Qantas, not just NAA.
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Old 24th Feb 2023, 13:25
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Originally Posted by kimbobimbo
Not ‘hating’?? So making up derogatory names is what, friendly? Yeah right.

No one at NAA asked for mainline to purchase it. No one at NAA asked to have a wage policy that holds back the pilots from a resonable wage. No one asked for the string of Qantas managers that have done nothing more than used NAA as a spring board for their mainline (or JQ) careers.

NAA is OWNED by mainline. It is a reflection of that airline, only its starting point in terms of conditions and pay is lower.

Hate away. But hate Qantas, not just NAA.
Can we hate the pilots who offer to come in on RDO's to save Network/QF from being fined tens of thousands of dollars in delayed/cancelled charters to the pilbara all for a measely $350?
Or those answering their phone to help them out because they think they'll hit productivity but never come close?

If you're going to go into work on an RDO at least try get paid close to, if not in excess of 4 figures for the day.
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Old 24th Feb 2023, 21:27
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I’ll ask ,
are they taking DECS, Also can you transfer from JQ OR QF LINK to Network. Asking because need a job in PERTH , unable to get into mainline .
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 02:56
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Originally Posted by soseg
Can we hate the pilots who offer to come in on RDO's to save Network/QF from being fined tens of thousands of dollars in delayed/cancelled charters to the pilbara all for a measely $350?
Or those answering their phone to help them out because they think they'll hit productivity but never come close?

If you're going to go into work on an RDO at least try get paid close to, if not in excess of 4 figures for the day.
absolutely hate those people. And we know who they are.
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 03:46
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Why would the brutal IR team cave into your gentle requests for improvements in the next EBA when so many continue to save the company's backside by coming into work for pittance?

You all know what a heavily delayed or cancelled charter costs them. That's not your problem. If all of you stood strong for two or three rosters and refused to work more than you're contractually required/rostered then very quickly you'd see management have a freak out and come to the table knowing they have no choice but to offer you more to come into work on your well deserved days off.

Tell them next time to cancel the flight or pay you what you're worth. The guys and girls in the 737 get a minimum FO call out of $900 and $1408 for Captain. And if it's a flight/s longer than 4 hours like a Broome return or Darwin return then that goes up even higher.

What have you got to lose to say no and ask for something similar?

Again, ask yourselves what their costs are if they cancel a flight? I'm sure someone else here can quote the rumoured figures.
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 22:53
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Originally Posted by soseg
Why would the brutal IR team cave into your gentle requests for improvements in the next EBA when so many continue to save the company's backside by coming into work for pittance?

You all know what a heavily delayed or cancelled charter costs them. That's not your problem. If all of you stood strong for two or three rosters and refused to work more than you're contractually required/rostered then very quickly you'd see management have a freak out and come to the table knowing they have no choice but to offer you more to come into work on your well deserved days off.

Tell them next time to cancel the flight or pay you what you're worth. The guys and girls in the 737 get a minimum FO call out of $900 and $1408 for Captain. And if it's a flight/s longer than 4 hours like a Broome return or Darwin return then that goes up even higher.

What have you got to lose to say no and ask for something similar?

Again, ask yourselves what their costs are if they cancel a flight? I'm sure someone else here can quote the rumoured figures.

That’s exactly right! But pilots are a stupid bunch of rabbits all looking for a carrot and are willing to step on anyone else along the way - even their own colleagues. Engineers at Virgin are striking once a week. They recognise that they’re not a liability and will get a nice win as a result. Pilots in this country should have gone on strike years ago. If pilots don’t band together now when everything is going their way from a negotiation standpoint they’ll never move forward.
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 23:07
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That’s exactly right! But pilots are a stupid bunch of rabbits all looking for a carrot and are willing to step on anyone else along the way - even their own colleagues. Engineers at Virgin are striking once a week. They recognise that they’re not a liability and will get a nice win as a result. Pilots in this country should have gone on strike years ago. If pilots don’t band together now when everything is going their way from a negotiation standpoint they’ll never move forward.
Pilots are not stupid .
Pilots did go on strike years ago - does 1989 ring any bells. The unintended consequences of this strike are still with us 34 years later.
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Old 26th Feb 2023, 07:40
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Originally Posted by sid-star
Pilots are not stupid .
Pilots did go on strike years ago - does 1989 ring any bells. The unintended consequences of this strike are still with us 34 years later.
That strike was poorly managed. 34 years later I’m sure a combined group of pilots could intelligently fight for what they deserve.
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Old 26th Feb 2023, 07:57
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Originally Posted by sid-star
Pilots are not stupid .
Pilots did go on strike years ago - does 1989 ring any bells. The unintended consequences of this strike are still with us 34 years later.
That was a different era. We all have the benefit of PIA these days. Get it approved in court and go hard!
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Old 26th Feb 2023, 13:34
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That was a different era. We all have the benefit of PIA these days. Get it approved in court and go hard!
Love the optimism, suggest you temper that with some awareness of history,
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Old 27th Feb 2023, 07:53
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Love the optimism, suggest you temper that with some awareness of history,
By that do you mean Jetstar PIA November 2019?
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