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Old 21st Dec 2022, 16:20
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
Grasshopper, you forgot to address him as grasshopper.
Am I wasting my time here? Maybe. But this is a serious forum, read and contributed to by professionals. People who know when to listen and learn. And how to read between the lines.
They know exactly what I am talking about and sooner or later, one of them is going to start asking the right questions.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 21:32
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Am I wasting my time here?
No, you are wasting ours.

​​​​​​​But this is a serious forum, read and contributed to by professionals. People who know when to listen and learn. And how to read between the lines.
Again no,have you read GBO's posts?

​​​​​​​They know exactly what I am talking about
Thrice no. The only one who knows what you are talking about is you. Just state what you think happened and why then a discussion can ensue. You can start with my post at #82 if you like. No requirement for deep dives on the internet, just my assessment of why MH370 did what it did.

If you want to be an international man of mystery go right ahead but when you get ridiculed don't blame other people.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 21:43
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Originally Posted by ferry pilot
Am I wasting my time here? Maybe. But this is a serious forum, read and contributed to by professionals. People who know when to listen and learn. And how to read between the lines.
They know exactly what I am talking about and sooner or later, one of them is going to start asking the right questions.
Guys, I'm the one who REALLY knows what happened, but i'm not going to tell you. You should just do your own research while I continue to make vague references and maintain my imagined position of superiority.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 21:46
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also from psychological POV it doesn't fit any known human behaviour.
Doesnt fit? Really? Are you aware of the German wings murder suicide? Are you aware of the Palembang murder suicide? Less well known is the Egyptair crash.

If we know anything about human behaviour it is that it holds an infinite number of ways to surprise by acting in a new and unthought of way. Think about the 2001 flights in to the world trade centre. Unheard of before it happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 01:58
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Doesnt fit? Really? Are you aware of the German wings murder suicide? Are you aware of the Palembang murder suicide? Less well known is the Egyptair crash.

If we know anything about human behaviour it is that it holds an infinite number of ways to surprise by acting in a new and unthought of way. Think about the 2001 flights in to the world trade centre. Unheard of before it happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
You have that right Icarus


I am here for conversation, not argument. My apologies to anyone I have offended.
If I appear to be anything other than an amateur researcher with information to share
I can see how that would happen.

There is a story, but the media had no interest in it and neither did anyone else. Foreign country,
politics, religion and other things we tend to sweep under the carpet. And it is complicated.
Suicide, mass murder, airplane disappearance. That does not happen because someone’s lover was unfaithful. It is the kind of story investigative journalists would spend months uncovering
in former times. I found enough to know what happened but of course I can’t talk about it here.The first mention of the wrong topic on this or any forum would end it before it began.
Regrettably, no one cares. It appears to be a better tale of unsolved mystery than one of sordid
facts of life and hard ugly truths. For me, the attraction was the puzzle and the search for the solution. All I wanted to do here was pass this on to anyone else who likes that sort of thing. It really is a superb story.
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Interesting parallels between MH370 and C19.

MH370
A highly specific mechanical failure which took out all communications and pressurisation, but left other flight systems intact
Versus
Malfeasance and human involvement

C19
Sudden appearance of a virus with many odd features (including a furin cleavage site and a spike with a higher affinity for human than any animal ACE2 receptor) AND with no animal host found after 3 years of looking
Versus
A human engineered virus emerging in a city where AND when US was funding precisely this research.

In both cases, a preponderance of circumstantial evidence and Occams razor points strongly towards the 2nd explanation.
However in both cases there has been obfuscation by officials, political influence, and censorship which have kept trying to prop up the first explanation.

Interesting.
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Doesnt fit? Really? Are you aware of the German wings murder suicide? Are you aware of the Palembang murder suicide? Less well known is the Egyptair crash.

If we know anything about human behaviour it is that it holds an infinite number of ways to surprise by acting in a new and unthought of way. Think about the 2001 flights in to the world trade centre. Unheard of before it happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
this really has nothing to do with those cases, this guy was a fervent opponent of Malaysian dictatorial government and there is a high likelihood he wanted to see the result of his action (making them look stupid by overflying the country), he practiced landing on CI with big planes on his simulator and likely wanted to request the asylum there (as there is already an asylum centre), facing death penalty in his own country Australia probably wouldn't extradit him to Malaysia

there is also a confirmed turn to Australia after he cleared indonesian FIR, if he wanted to crash the plane somewhere far he wouldn't bother to do that turn

facing the huge stress and possibly a resistance inside the plane he might have changed his decision along the way and really suicided himself, but I highly doubt that would be his original plan
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this really has nothing to do with those cases,
The shared characteristics are a pilot deliberately flying a serviceable aircraft into the ground (or water) thereby killing all occupants.

​​​​​​​ there is also a confirmed turn to Australia after he cleared indonesian FIR,
Do you have a graphic showing this or some reference?

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Originally Posted by ferry pilot
If I appear to be anything other than an amateur researcher with information to share
I can see how that would happen.
But you're not sharing any information.

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I found enough to know what happened but of course I can’t talk about it here.
Yes, you can talk about it here. If you think there's any impediment, just PM me the information that shows what happened, and I'll talk about it here.
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I posted it online, including here, and my posts were deleted immediately. I spelled it out and sent it to the media. Dead silence. But everyone I told in person agreed with the facts and came to the same conclusion.

You only have to look in two places to figure it out for yourself, as no doubt many, many others have. It will not be found in the media anytime soon, and you will see why as you learn more.
There was a court case shortly before the pilot’s final departure. He was there, and left “ visibly
upset” according to witnesses. Know what that case was about and how and why the pilot was
involved and you will have half the story.

The flight data recorder contains the other half. Obviously, the pilot did not want it to be found. He was not alone in that.

It took me about three days. You should have it in a matter of hours.
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
The shared characteristics are a pilot deliberately flying a serviceable aircraft into the ground (or water) thereby killing all occupants.
no it is not shared because we do NOT know if he deliberately did that, we don't know what was happening on the plane before the crash and it certainly wouldn't be the first time that their was a brawl in and around the cabin

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

Do you have a graphic showing this or some reference?

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I don't have a graphic but it's assumption also made by investigators based on pings and max speed/range of the plane, if he wanted to go somewhere unnoticed he would turn further from Australia not closer to it
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Originally Posted by kingRB
Guys, I'm the one who REALLY knows what happened, but i'm not going to tell you. You should just do your own research while I continue to make vague references and maintain my imagined position of superiority.
No, actually it is I who know the truth about what happened that night. I can’t post it here because it will immediately be deleted, ‘they’ are monitoring every internet site across the globe in case some random poster works it out.

You might say that only someone of superior intelligence could join the dots and solve the mystery; that may be true, although it’s not for me to say.
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I don't have a graphic but it's assumption also made by investigators based on pings and max speed/range of the plane, if he wanted to go somewhere unnoticed he would turn further from Australia not closer to it
I ​​​​​​​always thought the proximity of the solar terminator was not coincidental. I suspected that dictated the final heading.
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Originally Posted by ferry pilot
You only have to look in two places to figure it out for yourself, as no doubt many, many others have. It will not be found in the media anytime soon, and you will see why as you learn more.
There was a court case shortly before the pilot’s final departure. He was there, and left “ visibly
upset” according to witnesses. Know what that case was about and how and why the pilot was
involved and you will have half the story.
yeah it was likely the trigger but we still don't know another half of the story, we can just suppose

Now, what else happened just a week or two before MH370 flight?An ethiopian copilot has successifully hijacked the plane to Italy and landed in another country(Switzerland). So I am quite sure that story couldn't pass by the captain as he was proven aviation enthusiast and it sure went through his head many, many times during those two weeks, maybe he just wanted to imitate the action.

also if he searched about it, it would quickly lead him to the website of unsuccessful Ethiopian hijack in 1996 which had Australia as a destination for seeking asylum...

besides he was old enough (16yo back then) to remember hijacking of Malaysian MH653 which happened in 1977 and hijackers also changed the destination country but that one crashed

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I may have said earlier that this is for the folks who like this sort of thing. If its not for you that’s fine but why do you feel the need to shoot the messenger just because drift data or whatever else you prefer does not support it? I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. There is nothing in this for me.

This is not a theory, or some brilliant idea. I am just an old airplane driver looking to see what happened here, same as you. I just happened to look somewhere maybe you didn’t. What I found was a puzzle that did not fit together very well, but I like puzzles. I stayed with it until I figured it out. It was not easy.

You want me to tell you the story, but what do you have if I do. A crock of BS from some old geezer with too much time on his hands. Do it the hard way and you learn things Google can’t teach you and other people will not believe.

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It is very likely the location is known.

SBIRS scans the entire global surface every 8 seconds looking for missile launch signatures. It has a higher resolution continuous tracking mode for anything of interest.

that’s how they knew which corner of which field the missile shooting down MH17 was launched from.

SLOW WALKER (1970s) demonstrated the ability to track (sliw) USSR bombers using the precursor of SBIRS. Think what happened to sensor technology, satellite coverage and computer processing in 50 years.
https://everything2.com/title/SLOW+WALKER

The plane was flying for hours after it was reported missing. You think no one looked?

Inmarsat may well be a cover for this. If US wanted to create a plausible alternative explanation for some data, they may well turn to UK.

For some reason, we don’t want to find that plane.

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Originally Posted by ferry pilot
I may have said earlier that this is for the folks who like this sort of thing. If its not for you that’s fine but why do you feel the need to shoot the messenger just because drift data or whatever else you prefer does not support it? I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. There is nothing in this for me.

This is not a theory, or some brilliant idea. I am just an old airplane driver looking to see what happened here, same as you. I just happened to look somewhere maybe you didn’t. What I found was a puzzle that did not fit together very well, but I like puzzles. I stayed with it until I figured it out. It was not easy.

You want me to tell you the story, but what do you have if I do. A crock of BS from some old geezer with too much time on his hands. Do it the hard way and you learn things Google can’t teach you and other people will not believe.
so why don't you share the puzzle with us then
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Because he knows what he has is…

You want me to tell you the story, but what do you have if I do. A crock of BS from some old geezer with too much time on his hands.
​​​​​​​They are his words. Just another wacky theory based on snippets of data linked together illogically.
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Originally Posted by ferry pilot
I may have said earlier that this is for the folks who like this is not for you that’s fine but why do you feel the need to shoot the messenger just because drift data or whatever else you prefer does not support it? I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. There is nothing in this for me.

….I just happened to look somewhere maybe you didn’t.
A contentious discussion will almost always have people who claim to have the cure/answer/truth, but respond to any queries with some version of ‘do your own research’

When pressed, the ‘research’ they rely upon is invariably unconvincing- a crackpot website or YouTube ‘documentary’ - and the real reason for the reticence is revealed - they know that their evidence is weak.

Some sort of confirmation bias or motivated reasoning is usually involved. On the web, you can find support for almost any idea you may have.

Even a look at this thread will show people who are just as convinced as you are that they have the answers. All but one theory is wrong.

But we’re all just spitballing here, and it’s certainly fascinating for a dabbler like me to follow a reasonably friendly discussion by genuinely knowledgeable people.
I do find it frustrating when people make unsupported claims though.
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this really has nothing to do with those cases, this guy was a fervent opponent of Malaysian dictatorial government and there is a high likelihood he wanted to see the result of his action (making them look stupid by overflying the country), he practiced landing on CI with big planes on his simulator and likely wanted to request the asylum there (as there is already an asylum centre), facing death penalty in his own country Australia probably wouldn't extradit him to Malaysia

there is also a confirmed turn to Australia after he cleared indonesian FIR, if he wanted to crash the plane somewhere far he wouldn't bother to do that turn

facing the huge stress and possibly a resistance inside the plane he might have changed his decision along the way and really suicided himself, but I highly doubt that would be his original plan
Could you please consider punctuation, it's hard to tell with all those lower case letters whether you've accidentally hit return and it's a continuation of the previous sentence or a new one.
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