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Old 27th Dec 2022, 00:53
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The master warning may sound, but that won’t actually tell you the exact nature of the problem. There are many accidents and incidents where the crew have heard the master warning sound, but have misidentified the cabin altitude warning when affected by hypoxia eg Helios 522, Payne Stewart’s Lear Jet, Kalitta 66, etc.
Have you ever actually sat in a jet airliner? The Cabin Pressure aural warning is the same as the T/Off Configuration warning, NOT the Master Warning Horn.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 01:02
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I do not foresee this theory being ironed out before this thread hits 1000 posts but probably by 5000.

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Old 27th Dec 2022, 01:09
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It beggars belief the crew was so overwhelmed or hypoxic they couldn't descend when the CABIN ALTITUDE warning occurred,
That’s the problem with hypoxia, it leads to mental confusion!
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Originally Posted by Dora-9
Have you ever actually sat in a jet airliner? The Cabin Pressure aural warning is the same as the T/Off Configuration warning, NOT the Master Warning Horn.
I'm not sure if that's true about the more modern triple 7 but that's certainly true for the maggot which had more steam-driven gear.

In fact, did I mention there's a notoriously prodigious (some might even say pesky, or annoying, or even outright irritating) poster in here with firsthand knowledge of the config/cabin pressure confusion scenario? It'd be great to hear his or her input!
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Originally Posted by Dora-9
Have you ever actually sat in a jet airliner?
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There is not a flightpath possible an airway available that can does go around Indonesian airspace and still meet satellite data. Do you have one?
Is that what you meant?
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 01:37
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Originally Posted by Eclan
Is that what you meant?
No. Flightpath.
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Originally Posted by GBO
No. Flightpath.
Ah, I'm with you. Sorry, I've only just re-joined this discussion. How are you doing? Winning? Are you going to tell everyone what you've flown or do you consider that information irrelevant and possibly counter-productive?
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 01:56
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That’s the problem with hypoxia, it leads to mental confusion!
The pilots were so "confused" they couldn't make a couple of selections on the MCP to descend when the CABIN ALTITUDE warning occurred at 15,000 ft (in your scenario). But, at some later time, when the cabin altitude was even higher and the pilots presumably even more hypoxic, they were compos enough to complete a more complicated task to, first of all, find the appropriate waypoints, then enter them correctly into the FMC, along with the airport identifier for Banda Aceh. Bull****.
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I've never flown a big jet, or any jet for that matter, other than two circuits in the Ansett 727 sim at Essendon, I've come to the conclusion that GBO's flying experience extends to FS only.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 05:42
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Originally Posted by megan
I've never flown a big jet, or any jet for that matter, other than two circuits in the Ansett 727 sim at Essendon, I've come to the conclusion that GBO's flying experience extends to FS only.
That could be true but if a flight simmer is smart enough and well-read in the manuals which are freely available if you know anyone then he could figure out a valid theory.
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I'm not sure if that's true about the more modern triple 7
It was on the ones I flew - B772 & B773.

then he could figure out a valid theory
It's when he starts making assumptions about crew actions and priorities that his logic gets a bit thin. Hence why several posters (including me) have queried his experience, or lack thereof. He's have a lot more credibility amongst the cynics here (again including me) if he stopped stone-walling.

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Sorry, I might have missed it, but how did you propose to fly from IGARI to Penang airport?
look, if he wanted to land in Penang he would have landed there, not program several waypoints further down the Strait
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look, if he wanted to land in Penang he would have landed there, not program several waypoints further down the Strait
How’s he? The tech crew, the male Flight Attendant or the paxing engineer?
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whoever did this(although it's quite obvious who is it)
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Originally Posted by megan
I've never flown a big jet, or any jet for that matter, other than two circuits in the Ansett 727 sim at Essendon, I've come to the conclusion that GBO's flying experience extends to FS only.
Or an engineer with experience on flight sim …..excellent systems knowledge but no line flying experience.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 23:14
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The sad fact of the matter is that the psyche of the pilot is now one of the key vulnerabilities in RPT transport. As other vulnerabilities have been reduced, this issue has increased - certainly in relative terms, and perhaps even in absolute terms.

Pilots are part of society. As mental health issues become more common across society, it’s only reasonable to assume this will also apply to pilots.

We have seen this in all professions - medicine, legal, law enforcement, business, high society, and of course politics. People do something inexplicable and hence unpredictably.
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You will have to forgive me, but I may not have made my point clear so I will repeat it. The facts speak for themselves. The government the pilot opposed was his employer. They held something over him. In court, his friend’s overturned conviction was reinstated and he was going to prison. It is no stretch of imagination to believe the pilot may have been facing a similar fate and if there is any doubt about this, what happened next removes it.

Within hours of leaving that courtroom, he committed suicide. Imprisonment for sodomy would have ended his career, completely destroyed his reputation and voided his pension. He was highly motivated to kill himself and no one would question any of these facts so far if that was all he did.

There is no mystery there. The only mystery is why he had to take an airplane full of people and hide it where no one could find it. This appears to be a mystery so profound there are still people who will not believe he did this. A suicidal man apparently boarded his own airplane and faced a multitude of mechanical failures that he and his crew could not overcome. A bad day if ever there was one but not so much as a single fact or a shred of evidence to support any of it.

The facts, once again, are not in dispute. The airplane and all aboard are lost at sea. As explained in my #237 post, if there is no proof their employee was at fault, the airline will pay only a fraction of the insurance settlements that would ensue if this were not the case.

This is why Captain Shah did not hang himself or drive his car off a cliff. He did not want his family and friends to read the sordid details of his indiscretions in the newspapers and other media so he found a solution. His reputation is tattered but intact, his family gets his pension and he goes down in history as the leading man in the greatest aviation mystery of all time.

This is not speculation, theory or anything else but the truth. This pilot had means, motive and opportunity to do what he did, and until there is evidence to prove otherwise, he did it, and this is why. You may wonder why it was not all over the media if it was so widely known, but the answer there is obvious too, though I have used up enough space already and will not spell it out.
They read these posts. And they are not interested.

They have ignored this truth for years, so there is no reason for you not to do so as well.
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[QUOTEIn court, his friend’s overturned conviction was reinstated and he was going to prison.][/QUOTE]

I have read that Capt. Zaharie is related to Anwar Ibrahim.
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 05:23
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Within hours of leaving that courtroom, he committed suicide. Imprisonment for sodomy would have ended his career, completely destroyed his reputation and voided his pension. He was highly motivated to kill himself and no one would question any of these facts so far if that was all he did.

This is why Captain Shah did not hang himself or drive his car off a cliff. He did not want his family and friends to read the sordid details of his indiscretions in the newspapers and other media so he found a solution. His reputation is tattered but intact, his family gets his pension and he goes down in history as the leading man in the greatest aviation mystery of all time
You suggesting the Captain was gay?
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Within hours of leaving that courtroom, he committed suicide.
Who leaving what courtroom??!! There is not one scintilla of evidence that Zahaire Shah was present at the Ibrahim hearing on 7 March 2014 whereas there is some evidence - his mobile phone records - which indicate that he was likely nowhere near the courts when the Ibrahim hearing was in session.

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Imprisonment for sodomy would have ended his career, completely destroyed his reputation and voided his pension. He was highly motivated to kill himself and no one would question any of these facts so far if that was all he did.
There has never been any suggestion that Zahaire Shah was facing, or was likely to face, a court on any charge whatsoever prior to the disappearance.


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This is not speculation, theory or anything else but the truth.
To the contrary. What you've proposed is little more than your theory which relies on a lot of speculation. Frankly, you're right up there with GBO in relying on a heapin' helpin' of rank speculation.

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