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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 23:50
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Name and Shame?

How is it - half of us are doing the right thing - yet some people persist to do the wrong thing and continue to operate and break laws after being penalised...?
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 23:53
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Originally Posted by KRviator
So the WA Premier has stated he will not open the borders until the rest of the nation has achieved 28 days COVID-free.

My question to you is: What happens if (when) that is not achieved?
We keep having holidays in WA.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 03:16
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Oh those naughty AFL players from Richmond good to see they're having a blast and taking the pi$$.

Ensure those borders are shut air tight tho Anastasia.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 05:42
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Oh those naughty AFL players from Richmond good to see they're having a blast and taking the pi$$.

Ensure those borders are shut air tight tho Anastasia.
No no no,she cant shut them if theres a $ involved,got to recoup some losses somehow.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 07:34
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/20...SAEB_A5qb4d3ks

Well done NT.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 07:38
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Not really, massive kick in the guts to unemployed Aussies. Oh we are not Aussies anymore anyway the federation is on course for a break up
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 08:01
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Not really, massive kick in the guts to unemployed Aussies. Oh we are not Aussies anymore anyway the federation is on course for a break up
If you read it - they are still well short on labour in the local market and trying to get more "Aussies" to get the product in the box.

If you have ever tried picking mangoes, you would be aware it is not for everyone and not everyone is/can be good at it.

As soon as the borders are open will we see you apply? - I will not try it again.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 08:53
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Oh those naughty AFL players from Richmond good to see they're having a blast and taking the pi$$.

Ensure those borders are shut air tight tho Anastasia.
Well it turned out to be a pretty expensive piss-take.
Waiting for the cries of discrimination to follow no doubt...
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 09:00
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We keep having holidays in WA.]
So if you leave the “Sovereign State of WA” and perhaps visit Relo’s or friends in say QLD, NSW will you be able to return, or are you banished from the Kingdom for ever...at least until the whole country has had 28 days of no community transmission.

if that is the case, maybe we will see a movie such as Papilion on WA Devil Island?

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Old 4th Sep 2020, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Square Bear
So if you leave the “Sovereign State of WA” and perhaps visit Relo’s or friends in say QLD, NSW will you be able to return, or are you banished from the Kingdom for ever...at least until the whole country has had 28 days of no community transmission.

if that is the case, maybe we will see a movie such as Papilion on WA Devil Island?
To paraphrase the Eagles... “ You can check out anytime you like.. but chances are, you won’t be allowed back.”
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 10:38
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Nothing like being held hostage by your elected officials!
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 12:47
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You don’t have to look far

Originally Posted by Bend alot
This statement comes up often - but NEVER has anyone supplied any information on how or how long details. I am very interested to hear more about protecting the vulnerable (that group includes the elderly by the way).
Sweden and other countries that went through a proper wave in March/April have plenty of “good news stories” about how to protect the vulnerable.

Yes they had a high death rate amongst aged care homes. But within this bad news there are numerous stories of homes with NO deaths. They were the ones that were proactive and moved ahead of the government rules.

Things like:
- staff are only allocated to one centre
- preventing cross contamination between areas within individual centres
- limiting or stopping family visits during high case numbers
- no casual staff (all staff have paid sick leave so they will actually stay home when slightly ill)
- proper PPE training and equipment for staff members
- providing proper medical care (including oxygen) to COVID patients within aged care homes

Most of these things DID NOT happen in Australia as well. Especially in the Federally regulated centres. Even today its only VOLUNTARY that staff restrict themselves to working in one centre!!!

It’s not rocket science. The virus has been in the world for over 6 months now. There’s more than enough evidence of things that have worked to aim for better rules and regulations. We don’t have to reinvent the wheel. We don’t even have to come up with some brilliant plan. Just proper allocation of resources were the threat actually lies (over 70’s) would be a good start.

Open the borders between states.

Masks in all shopping centres, buses etc.

Protect our aged care homes and prioritise services that allow over 70’s to avoid public areas as much as possible (like home delivery, home medical visits, etc).

Let the rest of us get back to work as much as possible. The only thing saving us so far is JobKeeper. Watch how fast public sentiment changes next year when unemployment really starts to bite. When more people start losing homes.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 13:35
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
Sweden and other countries that went through a proper wave in March/April have plenty of “good news stories” about how to protect the vulnerable.

Yes they had a high death rate amongst aged care homes. But within this bad news there are numerous stories of homes with NO deaths. They were the ones that were proactive and moved ahead of the government rules.

Things like:
- staff are only allocated to one centre
- preventing cross contamination between areas within individual centres
- limiting or stopping family visits during high case numbers
- no casual staff (all staff have paid sick leave so they will actually stay home when slightly ill)
- proper PPE training and equipment for staff members
- providing proper medical care (including oxygen) to COVID patients within aged care homes

Most of these things DID NOT happen in Australia as well. Especially in the Federally regulated centres. Even today its only VOLUNTARY that staff restrict themselves to working in one centre!!!

It’s not rocket science. The virus has been in the world for over 6 months now. There’s more than enough evidence of things that have worked to aim for better rules and regulations. We don’t have to reinvent the wheel. We don’t even have to come up with some brilliant plan. Just proper allocation of resources were the threat actually lies (over 70’s) would be a good start.

Open the borders between states.

Masks in all shopping centres, buses etc.

Protect our aged care homes and prioritise services that allow over 70’s to avoid public areas as much as possible (like home delivery, home medical visits, etc).

Let the rest of us get back to work as much as possible. The only thing saving us so far is JobKeeper. Watch how fast public sentiment changes next year when unemployment really starts to bite. When more people start losing homes.
Thank you very much for a reply with some detail - I shall respond later to a few of your points.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 13:56
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Ah Yes Sweden again!

Remember the Cross Roads Hotel; one infection from interstate and there goes the NSW run of containment. It only takes one to start it all as Melbourne has seen; containment only happens when everyone is on board. At the moment that will not happen while people are following their own self interest.

The experts say better than 80% compliance with social distancing and heigene is what you need to sustain containment. According to to the CHO Victoria was around 85%; in June that was 25% and kahboom.

My side of MEL over the lat couple of days has been like a f***ing boxing day sale. The sun comes out and the masks (if people are bothering) are in their pockets or under their chins.

If that's not bad enough, the non-believers will be out in force tomorrow to protest the lock-down they themselves are perpetuating.

How the f*** do you protect the vulnerable; let alone the population against a bunch of f***wits who don't give a crap?

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Old 4th Sep 2020, 14:12
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Originally Posted by MrPeabody
Ah Yes Sweden again!

Remember the Cross Roads Hotel; one infection from interstate and there goes the NSW run of containment. It only takes one to start it all as Melbourne has seen; containment only happens when everyone is on board. At the moment that will not happen while people are following their own self interest.

The experts say better than 80% compliance with social distancing and heigene is what you need to sustain containment. According to to the CHO Victoria was around 85%; in June that was 25% and kahboom.

My side of MEL over the lat couple of days has been like a f***ing boxing day sale. The sun comes out and the masks (if people are bothering) are in their pockets or under their chins.

If that's not bad enough, the non-believers will be out in force tomorrow to protest the lock-down they themselves are perpetuating.

How the f*** do you protect the vulnerable; let alone the population against a bunch of f***wits who don't give a crap?
And that’s why we are happy in WA.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 14:24
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Originally Posted by SOPS
And that’s why we are happy in WA.
Don’t try to speak for all WA pilots! Mark McMuppet is now way out of his league and history will not treat him well. WA is not it’s own country run by the dictatorship of the state Labor party. It’s very easy to skew polls and media coverage in today’s world. Sandgropers are nowhere nearly as content with the current leadership and their dictatorial directives as you may have been blindly lead to believe. Stupid is as stupid does.
As an adjunct, do your own research into why McMuppet suddenly has more security and minders.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 15:05
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I'm actually offended, where on earth do you get the notion I wish it on others. I have always my entire life done what is in the best interest of the greater majority. Your problem is not recognising you are not in that majority.
This Is the issue. We’re all in Aviaton and, quite frankly at the moment it sucks, worse than anything any of us have seen for the industry, and most of us have seen personally but, there’s more going on than that.
there’s an absolute majority of the country right now that aren’t locked down, and living in near ‘normality’. That can and is being preserved. That’s also what’s keeping the country ticking as well as it is. This idea that we can open up, and go back to normal is absurd. The countries that have tried this have seem much more economic harm than we have and live day to day with the virus. As much as this all hurts right now this is in my opinion the best way to get as many of us back to work, as quickly as sustainably possible.
The objective should be a medium, long term one. Not a short term view.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 16:08
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Best post on this thread so far aviation_enthus.
We need to stop searching for the Holy Grail and start following the KISS principle.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 19:54
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We just have to wait for December thats all there is to it. Then they will say June 2021. Reality is,no normal will happen until there is a vaccine
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 21:42
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Mark McGowan is going to look like a dick if everyone else opens borders this December while the poor folks out west are just waiting...waiting...until the 13th March, then bang, borders open.
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