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Old 16th Jan 2021, 08:16
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Mr Dre, why don’t you come out and support the WHO’s October 2020 statement that lockdowns shouldn’t be the only option adopted?
It was more one statement from a WHO doctor than an official WHO position but his words were taken out of context and misrepresented, in fact his position is pretty much grounded in scientific consensus.

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My biggest concern is with the "this virus is no worse than the flu, let's just get back to how things were before ASAP" types though.


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Old 16th Jan 2021, 08:38
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My biggest concern is with the "this virus is no worse than the flu, let's just get back to how things were before ASAP" types though.
Well don’t concern yourself too much as Jeanette Young, Palasczuk, Danny Andrews et al have us all in their safe grasp. Perhaps you can offer them some of your expert experience in COVID matters Dre? With the amount of COVID knowledge and insight you are endlessly posting here that would be a better use of your time. I think the majority of pilots on here are interested in flying again ASAP rather than wanting to hide in a basement with a paper mask on.

Incidentally, my biggest concern is with the “we are happy to see additional millions of people unemployed and our Nations bUsinesses folding and our country being saddled with an extra 30 years worth of debt for future generations” types.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 09:01
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Well paragraph377 we would want similar things. For the most part the road map is clear on the way out. If can remote quarantine or do the best to prevent outbreaks from hotels (some states are doing this) and then we run a successful immunisation program that gets the required level of herd immunity soon we could be on the way to seeing the most risky parts of this pandemic over in 6 months and the disruptions to the industry mostly gone by year's end.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 09:18
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Well paragraph377 we would want similar things. For the most part the road map is clear on the way out. If can remote quarantine or do the best to prevent outbreaks from hotels (some states are doing this) and then we run a successful immunisation program that gets the required level of herd immunity soon we could be on the way to seeing the most risky parts of this pandemic over in 6 months and the disruptions to the industry mostly gone by year's end.
Now you’re talking! Agree
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 09:26
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according to Australia lamb corp we'll be locked up with Berlin like walls til 2031.

Search Australia day lamb advert on you tube. Watch the long version that goes for 2 min 30.

I doubt we'll be locked up much longer, or we'll have civil war/coup d'etat

Luckily it's insanely easy to get a very powerful gun.

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Old 16th Jan 2021, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Well don’t concern yourself too much as Jeanette Young, Palasczuk, Danny Andrews et al have us all in their safe grasp.
You missed your Liberal mates in SA and Tassie, both of whom did fast lockdowns. SA being somewhat of a very big overreaction too.

Quite literally the only premier in Aus that seems to be against this approach is Morrisons lapdop in NSW
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I bet Danny A is regretting the tennis now. They’re testing positive left right and centre also complaining about the hotel food and conditions this will be interesting 14 days.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 21:45
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Cry me a river tennis players. People have busted their gut to make this tournament happen for you to give YOU an income. Get on the next plane out of town if you can’t handle 14 days in a hotel which 99.9% of returned travellers have to endure.

Pfft 2 weeks tennis uncurrent. Try 12 months not flying an aeroplane.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Incidentally, my biggest concern is with the “we are happy to see additional millions of people unemployed and our Nations bUsinesses folding and our country being saddled with an extra 30 years worth of debt for future generations” types.
Western Australian unemployment rate is sitting at 6.0%, almost exactly where it was at the end of 2019.
Western Australian business confidence has been reported at a 13 year high.
The Western Australian government has declared a $2.2 billion dollar surplus for Y2020.
You can't get a booking at any of our tourist areas - they're fully booked.

WA is not experiencing "additional millions of people unemployed". Nor are our states businesses folding.
And the rate at which the state is being saddled with debt remains largely unchanged.
As for federal debt, better to have a chat with ScoMo.

The single biggest current threat to that position is for some virulent, shit-brained expeditioner to fly in and head straight to a night out at six of our (open, and unrestricted) night-spots.

Now tell me again, what is McGowan supposed to be doing wrong?
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 23:44
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Originally Posted by Joker89 View Post
Dre, you seem to live in a fantasy land where everything the government says (and supported by their paid “expert” lap dogs) is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

there are as many studies in support of and against lockdowns. There is no consensus.

what is clear is this is a political wet dream and these chief medical officers are basking in their glory of being important rule makers for the only time in their lives. They don’t want this to end.


No mate. I would say they are busting for it to end.

Have you ever, ever seen a public servant happy about doing extra work?

Neither have I.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 00:39
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Now tell me again, what is McGowan supposed to be doing wrong?
He’s a member of a left wing party who is very popular and almost certain to be re-elected and the amount of pilots who consume nothing but right wing media is significant. That right wing media pretty much tells them to hate any Labor leader without question.

There’s a thought that if he dropped all border restrictions then domestic travel would pretty much automatically return to pre pandemic levels. This is despite every other part of the world that has not restricted travel has seen a massive drop off in demand while the virus is spreading throughout that country. For instance, with the exception of the remotely located Hawaii, not for one moment have any of the other 49 US states enacted borders, yet 100,000 US aviation jobs have been lost this year. The only way things get back to normal is with the ending of this pandemic, not quickie openings of borders.
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
He’s a member of a left wing party who is very popular and almost certain to be re-elected and the amount of pilots who consume nothing but right wing media is significant. That right wing media pretty much tells them to hate any Labor leader without question.

There’s a thought that if he dropped all border restrictions then domestic travel would pretty much automatically return to pre pandemic levels. This is despite every other part of the world that has not restricted travel has seen a massive drop off in demand while the virus is spreading throughout that country. For instance, with the exception of the remotely located Hawaii, not for one moment have any of the other 49 US states enacted borders, yet 100,000 US aviation jobs have been lost this year. The only way things get back to normal is with the ending of this pandemic, not quickie openings of borders.
Of those 100,000 , how many would you say were related to the International sector of their operations?? My impression was that domestic was still humming along at a moderate pace.



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Old 17th Jan 2021, 01:18
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In "normal" times, what percentage of Australian domestic passenger travel does east-west travel constitute?
If it's more than 15% I'd be very surprised.

My prediction? When normalcy resumes, it will NOT return as it was pre-Covid. At least, not for that east-west travel.
Once the initial rush of repatriation and family re-unions has run its race it might settle down to about 70% of previous, if you're lucky.
Business has learned very well that a lot of the inter-state business travel can be accommodated very efficiently and cheaply with video-conferencing.
Mining companies have already announced their displeasure at reliance on inter-state FiFo.
And without businesses paying for PER-MEL-SYD_BNE jaunts the price of economy flights is sure to go up.

And AJ is sure to want another look at the viability of the connector onto the mid-night horror Perth-London.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 01:22
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Of those 100,000 , how many would you say were related to the International sector of their operations?? My impression was that domestic was still humming along at a moderate pace.
If you call a 50% cut humming along. Most US flying is domestic, and carriers like Southwest that operate almost exclusively domestic are still cutting sectors by 40%. Low demand is the cause.

American Airlines Cuts November Schedule by Nearly Half ‘to Match Low Demand’

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Old 17th Jan 2021, 01:24
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Originally Posted by bekolblockage View Post
Of those 100,000 , how many would you say were related to the International sector of their operations?? My impression was that domestic was still humming along at a moderate pace.
Does not really answer the question but does give some indication -

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 01:25
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
And AJ is sure to want another look at the viability of the connector onto the mid-night horror Perth-London.
Most indications were that before the last series of outbreaks domestic travel, including east west, was looking at a return to similar numbers as pre pandemic.

But all indications are PER-LHR will be one of the first international routes to return because it is one of the best money spinners, a monopoly atm. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if more direct routes are added, these flights are actually quite popular.
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It might be 50% of the normal flight schedule, but in terms of pax carried I reckon it’s sitting at around 25-30% of the pre COVID levels. Will be interesting to see the official stats if they release them.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 05:42
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Western Australian unemployment rate is sitting at 6.0%, almost exactly where it was at the end of 2019.
Western Australian business confidence has been reported at a 13 year high.
The Western Australian government has declared a $2.2 billion dollar surplus for Y2020.
You can't get a booking at any of our tourist areas - they're fully booked.

WA is not experiencing "additional millions of people unemployed". Nor are our states businesses folding.
And the rate at which the state is being saddled with debt remains largely unchanged.
As for federal debt, better to have a chat with ScoMo.

The single biggest current threat to that position is for some virulent, shit-brained expeditioner to fly in and head straight to a night out at six of our (open, and unrestricted) night-spots.

Now tell me again, what is McGowan supposed to be doing wrong?
Hear hear! WA is doing very nicely, don't forget we've also had to deal with cruise ships and other vessels with infected people on board. I wasn't a huge fan of McGowan before all this (mainly due to the Barry Urban debacle) but he has shown, like some other premiers, that consistancyin leadership is what is needed. Others and their flip flopping around and trying to shift the blame around hasn't done any good in their states has actually killed rather a lot of people.

All my friends in the tourism industry have said they are busier than ever, booked up months ahead and having trouble getting staff to keep up with the demand. Sandgropers are realising that they live in the best place in the world and wanting to explore it more, especially after intrastate borders were lifted. Shopkeepers unable to get stock in fast enough to keep up with demand.

As for flying, my aviation business is busier than ever.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 06:17
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according to Australia lamb corp we'll be locked up with Berlin like walls til 2031.

Search Australia day lamb advert on you tube. Watch the long version that goes for 2 min 30.

I doubt we'll be locked up much longer, or we'll have civil war/coup d'etat

Luckily it's insanely easy to get a very powerful gun.

.https://youtu.be/7g0kCnnTeMg
Who knew that Aussies had a sense of humour!? ;-)
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 08:20
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Hear hear! WA is doing very nicely, don't forget we've also had to deal with cruise ships and other vessels with infected people on board. I wasn't a huge fan of McGowan before all this (mainly due to the Barry Urban debacle) but he has shown, like some other premiers, that consistancyin leadership is what is needed. Others and their flip flopping around and trying to shift the blame around hasn't done any good in their states has actually killed rather a lot of people.

All my friends in the tourism industry have said they are busier than ever, booked up months ahead and having trouble getting staff to keep up with the demand. Sandgropers are realising that they live in the best place in the world and wanting to explore it more, especially after intrastate borders were lifted. Shopkeepers unable to get stock in fast enough to keep up with demand.

As for flying, my aviation business is busier than ever.
Its this sort of parochial BS that’s killing the “Australian Spirit”. Our forefathers would be ashamed.
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