All borders to reopen.
But that didn’t stop one airline announcing yesterday that based on the information they’ve received in negotiations with all governments and their future plans that they are comfortable in a few months to stand up all crew as they expect they’ll all be needed by then.
Dre: except international crews in states that are subject to self isolation, unless the crew member agrees. That is in the Q&A. Perth longhaul crews are still stuffed for the time being.
Not sure why anyone really cares about WA borders. The flying is marginal profits, QF has already organised re-routing for international. At the end of the day the state can do what it wants, the population there supports it, so yelling at them to open up is like screaming at China to comply with something. They won't and will probably stay closed longer in spite of being told what to do.
In other news, does anyone else find it convenient that an anti-vax group specifically targeting Michael Gunner in the NT appeared a day or two after his smack down of Ted Cruz. Shouting his address and suggesting action be taken against him and his family. It reeks of another countries method of politics being wielded here.
In other news, does anyone else find it convenient that an anti-vax group specifically targeting Michael Gunner in the NT appeared a day or two after his smack down of Ted Cruz. Shouting his address and suggesting action be taken against him and his family. It reeks of another countries method of politics being wielded here.
The April date is coincidental with the May dead line for a federal election. It’s rumored Sco Mo is going to call it when getting back from the Glasgow summit. Imagine doing the election in January whilst WA is shut and eastern states are traveling freely around the world. Labor will loose WA big time.
Not sure why anyone really cares about WA borders. The flying is marginal profits, QF has already organised re-routing for international. At the end of the day the state can do what it wants, the population there supports it, so yelling at them to open up is like screaming at China to comply with something. They won't and will probably stay closed longer in spite of being told what to do.
In other news, does anyone else find it convenient that an anti-vax group specifically targeting Michael Gunner in the NT appeared a day or two after his smack down of Ted Cruz. Shouting his address and suggesting action be taken against him and his family. It reeks of another countries method of politics being wielded here.
In other news, does anyone else find it convenient that an anti-vax group specifically targeting Michael Gunner in the NT appeared a day or two after his smack down of Ted Cruz. Shouting his address and suggesting action be taken against him and his family. It reeks of another countries method of politics being wielded here.
Throughout COVID, it has been WA that has provided a reliable steady income for airlines.
With no domestic competition to the QF wide body product, the trans continental market is a sitting gold mine of profit. As soon as the WA border opens, those cashed up bogans will pack business class on these flights.
McGowan is an idiot, but airlines aren’t about to cut off their nose to spite their face with him. As soon as they can, they’ll jump heavily back into that market, coast to coast flying has always been a solid money spinner.
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During the last mining boom it was the “marginal profits” of trans continental and intra WA that funded the ridiculous capacity war on the east coast, a senior executive told me of his frustration watching massive profits from WA being eaten away by empty flights every 15mins between Sydney and Melbourne.
Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane merry go round is the money spinner, and if you are not cashing in on that, you wont be around long.
The Perth long haul crew that are stood down with very limited flying forecast over the next 4-6 months probably care I’d say
Hear hear. It's very tedious reading all the bile and hatred.
And PER-LHR was quite profitable too, a monopoly on the route will ensure that, they want more flights on that route, and that’s why they’ll restart it in April as announced.
You are all open, enjoy it. Leave us alone. We enjoy what we have her.
If Mc Gowan really screws it up he will have a Hospital Crisis with people dying in the street because there is not enough staff. Let's all hope he isn't so stupid to get to that point.
short flights long nights
Yeah sure you enjoy the benefits of cheap interstate and foreign labour. Ultimately the government can't afford not to open the border. Things will just stop happening as there will be no one to do it. The airlines know this they will just bide their time eventually probably cutting off WA when the free money from Canberra stop flowing.
If everything comes to a grinding halt because we can’t possibly survive without all you wise men from the east, we will sort it out when it happens. No need for you to worry.
Again Neville. Why do you care?
If everything comes to a grinding halt because we can’t possibly survive without all you wise men from the east, we will sort it out when it happens. No need for you to worry.
If everything comes to a grinding halt because we can’t possibly survive without all you wise men from the east, we will sort it out when it happens. No need for you to worry.
Yeah sure you enjoy the benefits of cheap interstate and foreign labour. Ultimately the government can't afford not to open the border. Things will just stop happening as there will be no one to do it. The airlines know this they will just bide their time eventually probably cutting off WA when the free money from Canberra stop flowing. Just maybe the locals need to learn the hard way you need the rest of the country to actually survive, as unpalatable that might be.
SOPS
May I ask why you believe that those in this board critical of MM are from over east? Hint: they are not
Clare
Is it true you believe that only West Australians that support MM should be able to post on this board?
May I ask why you believe that those in this board critical of MM are from over east? Hint: they are not
Clare
Is it true you believe that only West Australians that support MM should be able to post on this board?
I sympathies with them, however would it really help them that much to open WA borders. Seriously transcontinent is done by domestic 737, so opening up the east to west really does not do much for them. You want international travel to the US and Europe and Asia for them to have proper work return. I mean its talked about like Perth is the center of QFs, network, when in reality we all know that Sydney, Sydney South (Melbourne) and Sydney North (Brisbane and Cairns) are the bulk of their services.
Dont think anyone believes Perth is in any way the centre of QFs network, doesn’t mean it’s not important though. For the 330 based crew, coast to coast is their bread and butter. During the short period domestic was fully open earlier this year, all Perth crew who wanted to fly were stood up.
No doubt, but that comment was in regard to the long haul pilots having work, not domestic A330 crew, who would still be doing east coast runs as well.
With regard to A330 vs others that's now purely a QF consideration with no other airline operating the wide-bodies on that route so its all 737 and A320 traffic otherwise. In the days VA did it, there was a short run of good A330 coverage, but the last few years with yield management more and more 737 were being used to alleviate cost factor. Even in the US there is a move towards more cost effective large single aisle, with more A321 on order than ever, which shows they are over the issues the 757 was culled for, the expectation of long turn around times due to one aisle. QF is more unique, in that it has good corporate contracts so it can make profit on lower load factors due to its brand loyalty, something it's lived off for some time now.
With regard to A330 vs others that's now purely a QF consideration with no other airline operating the wide-bodies on that route so its all 737 and A320 traffic otherwise. In the days VA did it, there was a short run of good A330 coverage, but the last few years with yield management more and more 737 were being used to alleviate cost factor. Even in the US there is a move towards more cost effective large single aisle, with more A321 on order than ever, which shows they are over the issues the 757 was culled for, the expectation of long turn around times due to one aisle. QF is more unique, in that it has good corporate contracts so it can make profit on lower load factors due to its brand loyalty, something it's lived off for some time now.
Originally Posted by SOPS
If everything comes to a grinding halt because we can’t possibly survive without all you wise men from the east, we will sort it out when it happens. No need for you to worry.
Rio Tinto lost $3.2B profit - not revenue - profit due to the labour shortage in their iron ore operation. Work out the lost royalties on that, the lost payroll tax, the lost income tax from employee bonus payments, etc. BHP would be similar, and they have just advertised for Drivers for their rail network for the third time this year because they have introduced a "Thou shall live in WA" clause to their selection criteria. And the fact BHP - who pay a bucketoad more $$ on a far better roster than most any other operator outside the Pilbara cannot get WA-based crew show that WA can't do the job. If they could, Rio & BHP wouldn't be out billions of dollars and neither they, nor the tourist operators would be crying about the labour shortage in the state.
But they are. Because WA cannot manage things themselves, no matter how much you would like to think you can. If you could - I wouldn't have had a job there for well over a decade!
Originally Posted by Clare Prop
Hear hear. It's very tedious reading all the bile and hatred.
But you know what I've noticed from reading it? It isn't really directed at Steve Marshall, or Peter Gutwein or Michael Gunner, nor has it ever been. It has been, almost without fail, directed at McGowan & Anna-Stayaway, because it has been their border polices that have caused so much heartache. Even now, McGowan is not following his own border policies. NSW is still classified as "Extreme Risk" - defined as an average caseload of 500/day on a 14day rolling average. NSW has been under that for days - since the 19th October when we went from 508/day to 483/day on a 14-day rolling average.
The other interesting tidbit about that is the ACT remains Medium Risk for the WA border bollocks and has been for yonks, IIRC. However, if you correct the ACT case numbers, for NSW's population (NSW having 18.9x the population of the ACT), you will find the ACT has been above 500/day on a 14 day average since the 4th October. But they remain "Medium risk", even though they have a higher percentage of cases.
