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Old 16th Oct 2021, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
I believe Marshall Stevens and Emperor McGowan are right not to set a date for opening, it's too crushing when it doesn't happen, one just needs to look at NSW to see what happens.
As we approach 80% double dosed I would expect more urgency around the need to get vaxxed for opening the borders and I would expect that to occur around mid November.
Yes it's much better we have vague statements like this.

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I feel for anyone that has a business and just wants to get on with it. Zoom meetings don't cut it - a lot of business just has to be done face to face.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 09:00
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Originally Posted by SOPS
May I ask.. why are you frustrated, Because we are not locked down, don’t have to wear masks.. can go to the pub.. what frustrates you?
Let me guess, you haven't been to North America, Europe or the Middle East in the last 6 months? 'Cos they have those three things too.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 09:27
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It’s all about the woefully inadequate WA health system, it’s not just the last several years it’s the last few decades. I’ve lived in every State and Territory except Tassie in the last 25 years and without an inch of doubt WA has the absolute worst public health system in the whole country. McGowan is just scared, that’s why he is pursuing his crappy strategy. And for note I lived in Perth for a few years 20 years ago and even then the health system was an absolute joke, totally ineffective. All good to have a nice surplus but pretty **** when you have 18000 hours of ambulance ramping a month…..without Covid…….. don’t ever move to that sand cesspit it has been crap for decades and will be for decades more, especially with Iron ore now tanking and now no workers…..up the proverbial creek without a paddle…Open up and leave the lepers in their own prison. I support WA opening the borders in 2080.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 10:01
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“if you don’t like it…leave!” Hilarious
I hear Poland is accepting refugees from Australia...


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Old 16th Oct 2021, 21:21
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To move away from the WA bickering, I was wondering about this thought I had comparing the covid case load between SYD and MEL.

Sydney of course is a few weeks ahead of Mel in vax rate, but the case load differences still don't seem to align.

I'm wondering whether the relaxing of restrictions (making gatherings in outdoor settings more available quickly) actually has helped to stop the spread.
I cant help but wonder if the overly tight restrictions in Melbourne are actually pushing the population to meet in the very place they don't want us to - our homes.
Perhaps if even now, we opened outdoor dining etc, residents wouldn't not be forced to have their gatherings behind closed doors in their homes, which is where all our spread it coming from.

Maybe a big part of Sydney's success so far is consciously nudging the population into the great outdoors - or at least the world beyond their cosy homes.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:19
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I think the more-likely explanation is that many Melbournians were well and truly 'over it' a long time ago and there was widespread non-compliance with the 'tight restrictions'. But I have no hard evidence to support that.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:31
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I think the more-likely explanation is that many Melbournians were well and truly 'over it' a long time ago and there was widespread non-compliance with the 'tight restrictions'. But I have no hard evidence to support that.
No doubt.

But surely someone in the ivory tower could sense the attitudes of the people wandering around below.
Rather than fighting that with tougher restrictions, which only promotes further non-compliance, they could have let people be more free outdoors with probably a far less case load than they have now.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:34
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
I think the more-likely explanation is that many Melbournians were well and truly 'over it' a long time ago and there was widespread non-compliance with the 'tight restrictions'. But I have no hard evidence to support that.
Plenty of mk 1 eyeball evidence, as well as the amount of traffic on the roads and volumes of people out and about. Has been like that for last 2 months. Taxi drivers reporting traffic much much busier than last year's lockdown, at the same time of year roughly.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 22:40
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As for those busting a gut to get to Bali, have you considered what you're going to do for insurance?
International travel insurance is readily available. Have a look.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 23:03
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So Bali is opening to international country’s, which are questionable. Has Australia pi$$ed off Indonesia? They won’t let Aussies in now.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 23:36
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Originally Posted by SHVC
They won’t let Aussies in now.
Perhaps it's more a case of: we won't open to them yet, so why put us on the list.
5 days of quarantine isn't all that appealing anyway.

Whereas if you look at Fiji, they know Australia is planning to start flying there and as such we are on their list. No quarantine required (in either direction).
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 23:48
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Originally Posted by Koizi
To move away from the WA bickering, I was wondering about this thought I had comparing the covid case load between SYD and MEL.

Sydney of course is a few weeks ahead of Mel in vax rate, but the case load differences still don't seem to align.

I'm wondering whether the relaxing of restrictions (making gatherings in outdoor settings more available quickly) actually has helped to stop the spread.
I cant help but wonder if the overly tight restrictions in Melbourne are actually pushing the population to meet in the very place they don't want us to - our homes.
Perhaps if even now, we opened outdoor dining etc, residents wouldn't not be forced to have their gatherings behind closed doors in their homes, which is where all our spread it coming from.

Maybe a big part of Sydney's success so far is consciously nudging the population into the great outdoors - or at least the world beyond their cosy homes.
Right now Sydney case numbers are low because testing is so low. 69k tests yesterday, it was 150k a day a week or so ago. Give it a few weeks and the case rate will shoot up considerably. Hopefully hospital rates stay low.
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Old 16th Oct 2021, 23:49
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Originally Posted by Thirsty
I hear Poland is accepting refugees from Australia...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUB0zSohcw
I only watched about the first 2 minutes of this clip but I am really getting pi$$ed of with other countries telling us how badly OZ has stuffed up our management of covid.

There isn't a country in the world that has nailed covid management 100%

A quick look at some stats show:

Poland total cases circa 2.9 mil deaths circa 76000 deaths per million of population 2014

Australia cira 140,000 /1516/ 59 respectively.

Do Poland or any other country for that matter really have the moral high ground to be telling OZ whats what in terms of covid management.

I realize there are many other factors to consider for example mental health issues and financial stress.

In terms of VIC and NSW there have been some monumental blunders but I doubt Poland haven't made their fair share.

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Old 16th Oct 2021, 23:59
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
International travel insurance is readily available. Have a look.
Can you perhaps point one out that offers Medivac to Oz in the case you come down with Covid because that's what you'll need for Bali.

Not that they were ever much better but there are now so many ifs, buts and exceptions in the policies that the only foreseeable use for most is if you develop diarrhea.

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Old 17th Oct 2021, 00:04
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Yes it's poor form to say we are restricting 'freedoms' when you sacrificed 76,000 of your elderly and vulnerable for yours. As the quote goes, "Responsibility is the price of Freedom". In a civilised society you have the Freedom to do the right thing, not the Freedom to do anything.

International travel insurance is readily available. Have a look.
I suggest you read the fine print of what's covered in each insurance, Covid ain't new and insurance companies are not suckers, unless it's in reference to them sucking money from your wallet that is.
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 00:28
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
Can you perhaps point one out that offers Medivac to Oz in the case you come down with Covid because that's what you'll need for Bali.
10 seconds with Google shows Allianz appears to cover you, if you are diagnosed with Covid including a medevac back to Australia. Page 28 of their PDS refers, however they won't cover changed travel plans, etc, you must have taken sufficient precautions etc...
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 01:27
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10 seconds with Google shows Allianz appears to cover you, if you are diagnosed with Covid including a medevac back to Australia. Page 28 of their PDS refers, however they won't cover changed travel plans, etc, you must have taken sufficient precautions etc...
Be very careful about this statement in the PDS in regard to travel alerts/warnings;

But please note, other terms, conditions, limits and exclusions continue to apply, including (for example) the exclusions set out in section 2.1.2 below and the General Exclusion concerning Travel alerts and other warnings (see page 64 in the General Exclusions section). That means, you will not be covered if you or your travel companion contracted the epidemic or pandemic sickness when you had travelled against an advice or warning by an Australian government and did not take appropriate action to avoid contracting the sickness (for example by delaying travel to the country or part of the country referred to in the warning).
Current advice for travel to USA (travel ban not withsatanding);
We continue to advise:

Do not travel to the United States of America, including Alaska, Puerto Rico and the Hawaiian Islands due to the health risks from the COVID-19 pandemic and the significant disruptions to global travel.
Germany;

We continue to advise:

Do not travel to Germany due to the health risks from the COVID-19 pandemic and the significant disruptions to global travel.
UK;

We continue to advise:

Do not travel to the United Kingdom due to the health risks from the COVID-19 pandemic and the significant disruptions to global travel.
Again the fine print will catch you. Make sure the travel advice says there are no pandemic health risks (level 1 and level 2 with some caveats). I can't see them dropping the Covid health risks warning for some time in those countries.

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Old 17th Oct 2021, 03:08
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Be very careful about this statement in the PDS in regard to travel alerts/warnings;



Current advice for travel to USA (travel ban not withsatanding);

Germany;



UK;



Again the fine print will catch you. Make sure the travel advice says there are no pandemic health risks (level 1 and level 2 with some caveats). I can't see them dropping the Covid health risks warning for some time in those countries.
Which will of course change as soon as the border is open.
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 03:42
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So as I said travel insurance is readily available.
Of course there will be COVID exemptions.
Just as there are for motorcycle accidents by unlicensed riders in Bali.
Never seems to stop anyone.
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 03:47
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Originally Posted by KRviator
10 seconds with Google shows Allianz appears to cover you, if you are diagnosed with Covid including a medevac back to Australia. Page 28 of their PDS refers, however they won't cover changed travel plans, etc, you must have taken sufficient precautions etc...
Worth having a look at:

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/our...guide-covid-19
Smart Traveller - Covid


If you're still that keen to get to Bali or wherever then go for it.
Let me know how you get on.

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