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Old 5th Oct 2021, 08:43
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AZ stuffed up about November last year when its final trial was not accepted by the FDA due to not enough over 60s being included in the cohort. That is when the media first latched onto it, and then they followed up when it started having the clot issues. AZ is partly to blame for the media issues because of how they handled the final trial. They still haven't bothered to try to re-certify with the FDA as they really don't care, hence why its not available in the USA. The issue the feds had is that they put all their eggs in the AZ basket and didn't want to bargain with the other makers. The UK, Europe, USA all had large amounts of doses from at least 2 or 3 manufacturers. Australia was left with AZ and a dribble of Pf due to the poor planning at the start.

BTW Fiji has been using a lot of unwanted Australian AZ to get its population up above 50% DD. I found this amusing FAQ note in the Fiji's Department of health;
Is the COVID-19 vaccine evil?

This claim has no scientific basis and is not based on fact. What we do know is that getting a COVID-19 vaccine can help protect you and those around you against the COVID-19 disease.
Can science prove a vaccine evil? or not...

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Old 5th Oct 2021, 10:10
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Vaccine levels would have been adequate with more vaccine supply, much earlier than planned. They had the chance to do so.
Risk compensation would've driven it, CSL was making plenty of AZ back in February
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 13:00
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The issue the feds had is that they put all their eggs in the AZ basket and didn't want to bargain with the other makers.
Not quite correct. Better do a little more research.

So, no, I don’t blame the media. If the politicians reported the true state of the nation, the vaccines, the risks, the data, and actually honoured the population and the media with the intelligence to interpret the real facts, then I think most of us would feel respected rather than assuming we are being lied to every time they open their mouths.
The trouble I have with the media is that we are fed the media's opinion of the news, not the factual news.
I had the AZ as soon as I could get it based on what facts I could read, not the opinion on the so called jurnos we have in OZ.

One of the other problems is that we are have to many "authorities" in Oz.
One approves a vaccine for use by over 16 yo based on trials and another contradicts that approval limiting the use to a particular cohort.
This is what the media in Oz loves, a conflict, especially if they can involve our elected reps.
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 14:13
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Originally Posted by 601
I had the AZ as soon as I could get it based on what facts I could read, not the opinion on the so called jurnos we have in OZ.
So did I. Except that I had mine in March, before any negative AZ news came to light.

The trouble I have with the media is that we are fed the media's opinion of the news, not the factual news.
Agreed. Once the Astra-Zeneca TTS side-effect became news in Australia in April 2021, I could not find one major news outlet in Australia who was interested in providing the actual data. On either side of the political media fence that is so prevalent in this country, The data was easily obtainable, I subsequently discovered, on the UK public health website. Interestingly, that data did not support what our politicians were saying, nor did it support what our left nor right leaning media were saying. It was as if either no-one cared about the truth, or the entire media and political system considered that the truth didn’t matter anymore.

The argument seemed to have devolved into pure politics and/or spin.

The Governments of the Day (all of them, Fed and State), enjoyed palming off the decision making to non-elected “Health Officials”. That was worse, because the “health officials” ended up coming across as even more biased than the politicians! Did they provide the data? No. Did they provide any evidence for their decisions? No. Was there any transparency to the data flow that led to their decision making processes? No. Could they be questioned? No.

The decisions were being made on “the best available medical advice”. Well, I can’t argue about that. It’s midnight and I have an itchy arse. The best available medical advice to me right now is coming from my dog, and you might prefer that I don’t share what he is suggesting.

But my dog knows where his next feed comes from, and he will provide whatever medical advice is necessary to ensure he gets a feed tomorrow morning, no matter how unpalatable or how unnatural it might feel for him right now.

For those of you who have got to this part and have read my entire post (jokes aside), ask yourself - am I pro AZ or am I anti AZ? Or am I arguing something else?
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 00:37
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Originally Posted by shortshortz
... CSL was making plenty of AZ back in February
Not really. They had batches of the AstraZeneca vaccine in production but nothing had reached the pre-release fill and finish stage until late March.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 00:58
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People forget that a lot of eggs, 51m doses, were in the University of Queensland basket before their trial had to stop.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 06:45
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Victoria surging ahead in second doses. Looks like Victoria will be as little as 10 days behind NSW 80% for its 80%. Game over down south in 3 weeks.

Queensland nowhere in bloody sight. Game over up here in 2022 it seems.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 07:10
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
Victoria surging ahead in second doses. Looks like Victoria will be as little as 10 days behind NSW 80% for its 80%. Game over down south in 3 weeks.

Queensland nowhere in bloody sight. Game over up here in 2022 it seems.
They need to. I don't think they'll tip over 2,000 during the weekend due lower testing numbers, but next week I wouldn't be surprised to see 2,000-2,250 new cases a day.

And remember kiddies, Cases are baaaaad, mmkay?

Here's a nice pretty graphic (yes, it's from The Guardian, but base data is apparently State Health Dept figures) that gives a nice visual representation as to how the various states are tracking. Of course, the multi-billion-dollar question is "What good are target dates if the Premiers don't give a fig about them anyway?!?"
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 07:35
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They need to. I don't think they'll tip over 2,000 during the weekend due lower testing numbers, but next week I wouldn't be surprised to see 2,000-2,250 new cases a day.

And remember kiddies, Cases are baaaaad, mmkay?

Here's a nice pretty graphic (yes, it's from The Guardian, but base data is apparently State Health Dept figures) that gives a nice visual representation as to how the various states are tracking. Of course, the multi-billion-dollar question is "What good are target dates if the Premiers don't give a fig about them anyway?!?"
Sydney will explode next week (case rate being shown the week after) too. Everyone finally gets their freedom and hopefully the anti vaxxers don't flood the hospitals like in the US.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
Sydney will explode next week (case rate being shown the week after) too. Everyone finally gets their freedom and hopefully the anti vaxxers don't flood the hospitals like in the US.
As the vaccine doesn’t work on approximately 2-3% of people they may need hospital beds for those vaccinated, assuming 6 million people that’s 120,000 to 180,000 extra beds needed for the next 12 months or less , MELBOURNE the same .
So I’d assume borders to close fairly early in the new Year .
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 10:35
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As soon as NSW and Victoria explode, you can forget any hope of WA borders coming down, Mark McGowan had stated clearly he is waiting to see what happens on the Eastern States.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 13:14
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Victoria has reported a record 1965 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, and five further deaths.
That would be 7600 equivalent Australia wide.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 13:43
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Originally Posted by SOPS
As soon as NSW and Victoria explode, you can forget any hope of WA borders coming down, Mark McGowan had stated clearly he is waiting to see what happens on the Eastern States.
“Explode!” Very dramatic.

Actually a change in tone this week, the WA Health Minister spoke about how masks will be reintroduced prior to reopening borders and flagged capacity limits. Also stated that reopening will be towards the end of the year (not next year) in line with other currently Covid Zero states, and warning unvaccinated they’ll face restrictions once reopening.

All of this talk to start shifting the mindset of the population to get used to a “living with Covid” mindset rather than a zero one, and it’s the type of talk that is required now.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 20:11
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Originally Posted by 601
That would be 7600 equivalent Australia wide.
Thats assuming a nice even distribution of cases. Which given the size of our country is highly unlikely.

Even the difference between Vic and NSW right now isn’t close to what you are suggesting.

The USA had peaks in different states at different times.

The UK had waves move through different regions as well.

So did China.

I could go on…
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 20:14
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Originally Posted by SOPS
As soon as NSW and Victoria explode, you can forget any hope of WA borders coming down, Mark McGowan had stated clearly he is waiting to see what happens on the Eastern States.
Yes don’t worry, I’ve noticed all the experts are out already peddling the doom and gloom that is about to befall NSW cause the new Premier has brought forward some easing of rules.

Same doom and gloom was pushed in the UK right before they eased up (at a much lower vaccination rate too!!). But low and behold, the worst didn’t happen and life resumed.

Australia will open eventually. WA will get cases again. You’re living in a dream land if you think WA can hide forever. Eventually the virus will get in, so you’re all better off getting vaccinated and opening up.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 21:26
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As soon as NSW and Victoria explode, you can forget any hope of WA borders coming down, Mark McGowan had stated clearly he is waiting to see what happens on the Eastern States.
Watch the tune of Sandgropers start to change once they see New South Welshmen and Victorians travelling overseas.

If only Chairman MaoGowan had spent the last 18 months bolstering his faltering health system instead of playing border politics he might not be in this position where he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Same goes for Palacechook and her work experience child deputy premier up north.
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Old 10th Oct 2021, 00:23
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In Singapore, the experience has been that +98% of COVID cases have little or no symptoms, 1% need oxygen and 0.2% in the ICU. Most of those needing oxygen or ICU are over 60 years old. Almost all deaths have been unvaccinated senior citizens with underlying health problems.

As of yesterday 83% of the population are vaccinated, booster shots are being offered to those who were jabbed 6+ months ago.
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Old 10th Oct 2021, 03:22
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As of yesterday 83% of the population are vaccinated, booster shots are being offered to those who were jabbed 6+ months ago.
What was the primary vaccine and are they using the same manufacturer's product for the booster?
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Old 10th Oct 2021, 04:34
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The primary was Pfizer-Biontech and all three jabs I had were the same brand. As of yesterday, 98.4% of those infected have little or no symptoms, probably because there are so few unvaccinated people left to become ill and drag the average down if they catch the virus.

1.3% need oxygen, 0.1% ICU and 0.2% have died. 83% of the population are fully vaccinated with 85% having had at least one dose. New cases 3700 yesterday.

I hope the Australian government is watching Singapore's experience carefully. Daily case numbers rocketed over the last month, however the numbers in hospital on oxygen or in the ICU increased at a far lower rate and was easily manageable.
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Old 10th Oct 2021, 06:32
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Originally Posted by Fonz121
November 1st looks like a goer.
But only in and out of the East Coast it seems...

Westyrannical Australia appears to be quite happy to stay in their Covid-Zero bubble.

Western Australia could remain closed for months after the international border ban is lifted but Premier Mark McGowan says it’s not a “big problem”.

Asked what he thought about the possibility of most Australians being able to fly to Paris but not Perth during a Friday press conference, Mr McGowan said: “I don’t think that is a big problem. Western Australia will open up internationally at some point in time and it’s probably just a difference of months between us and other states, in particular Victoria and NSW,” he said.

“If that means in the interim we don’t have mass deaths, we don’t have huge dislocation in our economy, we don’t have lots of people losing their jobs, well then I think the choice is clear. “We wait till it’s safe.”
Then there's
But the WA Premier confirmed his expectation the reopening date would be “sometime next year” and claimed initially international travel would be a “NSW thing”. It’s really a NSW thing at this point in time,” he said. “I think the view is that if people from NSW want to fly overseas and come back they’re really not adding to the risk because NSW is highly infected.”

Mr McGowan said international travel was unlikely to change the risk profile in NSW which is currently in the middle of a major Delta outbreak of the virus. Source
Of course, then there's this pearler:
Speaking on Friday afternoon, McGowan said people could fly to Sydney and then out of the country when the international travel ban lifts - but they may not be allowed back into Western Australia.

“My advice would be don’t do that unless you want to spend a lot of time in Paris or NSW,” he said. Source
Nothing like being able to fly home from Paris, but not continue on to Perth...
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