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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 07:40
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ot quite sure where this free money is coming from, oh that's right the gov is giving back WA citizens 40 cents in every dollar they pay in taxes.... The rest goes to subsidizing QLD, SA and the NT. Why QLD needs subsidising when they have wondrous COAL who knows... Oh that's right no one needs that stuff anymore so we sell it at close to cost to make it seem like there's an industry and take money from WAs profitable iron ore and gold production to prop up our economy.
Who then in turn have members of their population serve in the ADF to live in and defend your state.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 07:41
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No doubt, but that comment was in regard to the long haul pilots having work, not domestic A330 crew, who would still be doing east coast runs as well.
Not sure what you mean here. There is no such thing as ‘domestic A330 crew’ - all QF A330 crew are long haul, who sometimes fly domestic sectors.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 07:54
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Rio Tinto is a bad example of Covid problems, 1st half 2019 revenue $21.8 Billion vs 1st Half 2021 revenue of $33.1 Billion. The other indicators are even stronger, they doubled EBITDA and free cashflow over the same period. So whatever losses they claim to have made from covid are overshadowed by a MASSIVE increase in revenue and profitability. To be honest they are just looking for excuses as to why they can't continue 50% growth factors and anyone can see that next year will look bad even if they have 20% growth, "oh but it's half the growth of last year...."

Not sure what you mean here. There is no such thing as ‘domestic A330 crew’ - all QF A330 crew are long haul, who sometimes fly domestic sectors.
I don't fly the A330 so I thought there was a domestic vs LH crew, my apologies. In any case I thought the 330s were still flying east coast and some WA as well, I was actually suprised to see them slinking around during lockdown.

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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 08:33
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
I don't fly the A330 so I thought there was a domestic vs LH crew, my apologies. In any case I thought the 330s were still flying east coast and some WA as well, I was actually suprised to see them slinking around during lockdown.
All domestic CC are to be stood up from sometime in December, last time that happened was earlier in the year when borders were mostly open and the 330 was doing a substantial amount of transcons. As there hasn’t been any real loss of CC since then (the VR was done earlier) then it could be assumed that the same amount 330 flying would be done domestically from the start of next year too.

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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 10:19
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Originally Posted by 43Inches


I don't fly the A330 so I thought there was a domestic vs LH crew, my apologies. In any case I thought the 330s were still flying east coast and some WA as well, I was actually suprised to see them slinking around during lockdown.
From the context, I assume you meant pilots - but if referring to cabin crew, you’d be quite right, both LH and SH operate on the 330 (and both LH & SH have been operating east coast to Perth).
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 12:00
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Seems like there are plenty of people commenting on this thread who don’t understand the huge and direct impact that the WA Govt policies have on the ability of airline crews to do their jobs. And if you want to be more specific, the quarantine requirements for WA are now the difference between full time work and stand down for QF Long Haul pilots, as per Friday’s announcement.

If you don’t understand the finer details and realise why it’s infuriating, then don’t comment. It’s an insult to the rest of us who just want to live in Perth and do our jobs. International Pilots in the rest of Australia will very shortly be able to go back to normal…who knows when that will happen in WA.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 22:07
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Originally Posted by dr dre
So if the deadline is Dec 31st where’d you pull April from?

31st first does for group 2 industry, say if they use AZ December 31st min 4 weeks maximum 12 for second dose which will be March then he is quoted in many statements that he will look at opening when 80% is reached.

I want WA to remain closed I want those mines to keep
scaling back due labor shortages and I want to see WA wake up and get pi$$ed at each other when they see the rest of us living. WA is in lockdown and you don’t even realize it.

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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 22:24
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Rio Tinto is a bad example of Covid problems, 1st half 2019 revenue $21.8 Billion vs 1st Half 2021 revenue of $33.1 Billion. The other indicators are even stronger, they doubled EBITDA and free cashflow over the same period. So whatever losses they claim to have made from covid are overshadowed by a MASSIVE increase in revenue and profitability.
I don't think you can compare their finances from 2019 to 2021 and say they Covid hasn't caused an issue, which was the point of my comment. In January 2019, the ore price was around $75/T for most of the month, before finishing at $117/T in July. That same period in 2021 was $166/T & $218/T so of course their earnings will be substantially higher, even though their unit costs have increased by 25% over that time while their tonnages have remained almost static at 327MT shipped 2019 vs expected 320-325MT shipped 2021.

However, that doesn't alter the fact they could have made several billion more had they had sufficient staff on site. Which they have admitted they don't have, as have BHP. If SOPS were to be believed, there wouldn't be a labour shortage in WA as they can handle everything they need to, in-house.

Evidence across a range of industries in WA shows that to be false.

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And NSW now has a 14-day rolling average case # below 400 being only 384 / day yet continue to be held in the "Extreme Risk" category for WA while even if the ACT records zero cases today, they would still be above the 'magic 500' when adjusted for population, while WA keeps them in only the "Medium Risk" category. But of course it's based on "health advice".
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 22:51
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Originally Posted by KRviator
I don't think you can compare their finances from 2019 to 2021 and say they Covid hasn't caused an issue, which was the point of my comment. In January 2019, the ore price was around $75/T for most of the month, before finishing at $117/T in July. That same period in 2021 was $166/T & $218/T so of course their earnings will be substantially higher, even though their unit costs have increased by 25% over that time while their tonnages have remained almost static at 327MT shipped 2019 vs expected 320-325MT shipped 2021.

However, that doesn't alter the fact they could have made several billion more had they had sufficient staff on site. Which they have admitted they don't have, as have BHP. If SOPS were to be believed, there wouldn't be a labour shortage in WA as they can handle everything they need to, in-house.

Evidence across a range of industries in WA shows that to be false.

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And NSW now has a 14-day rolling average case # below 400 being only 384 / day yet continue to be held in the "Extreme Risk" category for WA while even if the ACT records zero cases today, they would still be above the 'magic 500' when adjusted for population, while WA keeps them in only the "Medium Risk" category. But of course it's based on "health advice".
Thats the problem, the ‘advice’ is taken as gospel for ass covering from someone that has no skin in the game.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 23:07
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Originally Posted by SHVC
31st first does for group 2 industry, say if they use AZ December 31st min 4 weeks maximum 12 for second dose which will be March then he is quoted in many statements that he will look at opening when 80% is reached.
AstraZeneca has already been phased out, it’s all Pfizer and Moderna now with a shorter second dose interval. 80% will be reached early December, and 90% prior to year’s end. An apparent change in policy from the Health Minister yesterday, indicating a reopening plan to be announced prior to reaching the 80% target. Previously it was to be announced somewhere between 80-90%. That’s was probably why the vaccine mandate for 75% of workers was bought in, to get the rates up quicker. If WA were truly blasé about reopening then they’d hardly institute such a widespread mandate.

I want WA to remain closed I want those mines to keep
scaling back due labor shortages and I want to see WA wake up and get pi$$ed at each other when they see the rest of us living.
Criticise actions of governments all you want, but wishing the people of a place to suffer to prove a point is a bit demented.....
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 23:15
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While there is some squeeze on workforce, most is of Rios creation with the move to more contracted work (2016) in lieu of full time in house due to 'volatile ore prices'. There is also a major weather event thrown in which disrupted ports and and operations during the period. Rio is also operating at close to maximum capacity anyway until Koodaideri comes on line, which is fairly soon, that will add another 40 MgT of ore capability. Outside of that the wild iron ore prices are probably thanks to covid.

With regard to crews infuriated in WA. Us pilots in Victoria and NSW have been in lockdown and more or less permanent stand down, so while there is a little bit of sympathy for the plight of the few QF pilots that can't work or have to quarantine a while I assume still being paid. Many, if not most on the East coast have been existing on dole level income for close to 2 years, that's airlines domestic, long haul, short haul, regional, GA, even private pilots could not fly in Melbourne, we don't even have the option to fly and then quarantine. If you are an intrastate pilot in WA or any other state based worker you are probably working with reasonable income, and have been the whole pandemic, which I am happy for them.

If you choose to live in a state with known isolationist policies, times will happen when you are isolated from the world. The locals have chosen this path, they set a clear mandate to the government in the election.

The question is in a few years time when the state pushes for independence, will you stick with the republic of McGowan or move back to the Kingdom of Morrison.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 23:34
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Criticise actions of governments all you want, but wishing the people of a place to suffer to prove a point is a bit demented.....
I don't think so in the slightest. You reap what you sow, and for such a large percentage of the WA population to vote for McGowan on the basis of his state border policies to the detriment of the rest of the country, to me, says they deserve everything that comes their way.

How many hundreds of thousands of people have suffered as a result of WA's border policies? As a result of Queensland's? Take a look at the hundreds of media reports about people being detained in hotel quarantine while their parent dies only a mile or two away, parents being told they cannot enter the hospital to see their child undergoing critical treatment as they're from NSW and an unelected official declared an entire state a Covid Hotspot or health staff being told they'll not be allowed to leave their home if they go to work across the border as they'll need to quarantine (endlessly) on their return. So no, I don't think wishing ill will on a state that does that is out of line - for the simple reason they have done it to everyone else - and keep right on doing it!

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While there is some squeeze on workforce, most is of Rios creation with the move to more contracted work (2016) in lieu of full time in house due to 'volatile ore prices'. There is also a major weather event thrown in which disrupted ports and and operations during the period. Rio is also operating at close to maximum capacity anyway until Koodaideri comes on line, which is fairly soon, that will add another 40 MgT of ore capability.
You need to stop focussing on Rio Tinto and consider the broader context, I used Rio as they were the first ones out of the gate to complain about the worker shortage. Fast forward a few days and BHP did the same, yet you've not commented on them at all. Or the cafe's who are short of chefs, the c0ckies who need workers for the harvest or the pubs up north who don't have backpackers pulling beers.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 23:43
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I never said there was no worker shortage, I was stating just that Rio is a bad example of doing badly in covid. BHP the same.

We (Melbourne) just opened up here, so many shops are just happy to see customers let alone worry about staff, however we are still short staffed here as well as many casuals laid off have become used to sitting around or moved into other occupations. Many local larger shops are taking walk in applications as net based recruiting is not gathering enough. So it's not just a WA issue at the moment. You would think from all the moaning that people would be dying for work, but it's not really showing up in applicants for the basic stuff with local supermarkets in large suburbs still struggling to get staff. Local managers asking staff if they have any kids or friends etc that need work, different from a few years ago where you had to take a job in a burb 20 km away to begin.

I won't be surprised if Melbourne in particular starts to see logistics issues with lack of delivery drivers leading to pay and condition pushes, like in the UK. A lot of supermarkets are already having delivery issues with congested distribution centers, and shelves lacking some goods. This is in part due to covid hitting a couple of major distribution hubs, but is also due to lack of drivers.

PS Auspost and most other delivery services are screwed here, it takes a week plus to get things sent across the city, and don't bother paying the extra for 'express' it gets there at the same time. It's going to totally implode by Christmas.

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Old 24th Oct 2021, 01:11
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There will be a lot of relief from shops re-opening. The sky won’t fall. Calm down
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 02:24
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates

Clare

Is it true you believe that only West Australians that support MM should be able to post on this board?
I have never posted any such thing and I'm not a supporter of him myself, I think he is a one trick pony with far too much power. I live in the electorate that had to put up with his "Walter Mitty" pal Barry Urban, I have no time for any of them.

I have never posted that I am a fan of closed borders, I am one of many who had to watch a parent die on Facetime and attend a Youtube funeral, so you can wind your neck in there.

There are no politicians or political parties that give a toss about small aviation businesses or deserve out support, so we actually get on with our lives despite whatever the governments throw at us; my aviation business has been trading steadily throughout the pandemic, keeping GA props turning.

There really are some posters here who are full of hatred they decide to label 2.5 million people as "bogans" and seem to really want us to have the virus here because apparently we deserve it for having a premier that they don't like. It's pathetic to watch these bitter and twisted people go on and on.

Criticise McGowan all you like but ridiculing a state full of people just makes you look like a stupid bully. FWIW the tide does seem to be turning against him.

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Old 24th Oct 2021, 03:08
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Fair enough I guess Clare. Might be easier to understand your support of a statement, if you only quote the statement and not the whole post. Especially when you are quoting someone like SOPS, as we know he’s a myopic MM lover.
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 03:21
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Fair enough I guess Clare. Might be easier to understand your support of a statement, if you only quote the statement and not the whole post. Especially when you are quoting someone like SOPS, as we know he’s a myopic MM lover.
No Chad.. you know very little actually. I like Clare, get sick of people that seem to want us overrun we Covid because they don’t like our Premier. Please don’t assume things.
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No Chad.. you know very little actually. I like Clare, get sick of people that seem to want us overrun we Covid because they don’t like our Premier. Please don’t assume things.
"Overrun with Covid"...Puh-lease. You're more melodramatic than Anna-Stayaway and her "thousands will die each month if we open the border" rubbish.

YOUR CHO - not NSW's, not Qld's, and not whoever is advising ScoMo - testified under oath that the WA health system is capable of managing 500 new cases per day or 5,000 total cases.

IF that is true, then on what grounds does WA continue to exclude 2/3rds of the country from the state based on nothing more than the state in which they live? To the untrained eye, that's against s.117 of the Constitution. If it were based on a defined risk, I'd have no problem with it, nor any leg on which to stand. However, I didn't stand up in court and say "We can manage 5,000 cases". Dr Andy Robertson did.
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Dr Robertson estimates that for 100 new cases per day (or 1,000 active cases), 130 hospital beds and 25 ICU beds would be required, and 14 deaths expected; while for 500 new cases per day (or 5,000 active cases), 650 hospital beds and 124 ICU beds would be required, and 70 deaths expected. These numbers would remain within the capacity of the Western Australian health system to manage, but would substantially increase the burden upon the health system.
So, if the WA health system can manage with upto 500 new cases per day, is it really fair or just to deny 2/3rds of the population entry to Western Australia based on nothing more than their state of residence?

Unless there's something more at play...
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 04:09
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Yes, when that state of residence had Covid rampant in the community.

And for those who think I am a McGowan fan, he has just decided that aviation businesses who were forced to close during the last lockdown are not eligable for the government small business assistance payment. So I am NOT a fan of him or any other politician. Doesn't mean I want to throw the borders open to people from states that have lost control of the virus. I've been involved in quarantine in the agricultural industry and this is no different.
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I saw an article that quoted Queen P as saying "...when Delta arrives....' regards vaccinations in QLD.
For an elimination proponent (as a preference ) I thought a major change of direction for her leadership.

Chairman Dan has followed in the NSW footsteps, not his preferred direction maybe but he's pivoted based on vaccination levels.

Tasmania/South Australia/NT have/will pivot and decide direction based on vaccinations.

The success of all the above (or not) will only be determined by time BUT those states have decided a certain path to move forward.

I perceive (rightly/wrongly) McGowan is still a covid eliminator and his actions will be determined more by elimination rather than vaccinations.
It will be interesting to see if/when he makes a Queen P pronouncement "...when Delta arrives....." if he ever does, major change of direction to be handled.

Separate but find it quite offensive he's so proud to spruik the WA budget deficit - which is all well and good.
Just surprised didn't follow with "...and this will allow us to fund improvements in health/infrastructure/welfare housing/..........whatever.

Leadership? Hmmmmmm.




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