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Old 17th Aug 2021, 21:13
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What the politicians and health bureaucrats may not be anticipating is the lack of a smooth transition out of Australia's pandemic response due to rapidly rising frustrations and fatigue. Civil disobedience can get quickly out of hand. More and more perceived inequalities due inconsistent health policies will fuel social discord. The economy will be put under strain however, Australians who will inevitably have to suffer, will see the cosy in government positions dictating "compliance" and "obedience" despite vaccination targets being achieved.

If you aren't getting vaccinated, stop dodging the salads, get some sunshine and general fitness. The let it rip sentiments may be upon us courtesy of unravelled social cohesions.

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Old 17th Aug 2021, 22:14
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Here is a new figure - 100%. Gladys and her posse will still receive 100% of their public servant salaries during these unprecedented times. Gladys will get to travel domestically and internationally 100% of the time that she chooses too, all in the name of ‘contributing to the economy’ or whatever bull**** excuse they spin to us. Yes, our politicians are 100% protected from the disastrous fallout that they are creating for everybody else. Parasites.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 22:37
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If you haven’t been vaccinated and you end up in hospital the recommended treatment by the majority of American hospitals is Monoclonal, anti inflammatory corticosteroids, vitamin D, Zinc and a good antibiotic. Leave out the other contentious treatments those ones listed are the reason Covid deaths have dropped off a cliff since early in the pandemic. News from a month ago was that Delta is less virulent not more..that narrative seems to evolved with some sort of Chinese whispers among the great unwashed to the opposite belief.

​​​​​​…the news is good if you’re a glass half full person.

ICU advice is to NEVER ventilate a Covid patient (unless crashing). Best practice is to lay them face down on a bed with 100% oxygen non-invasive ventilation.

Covid casualties are still almost exclusively among the elderly with co-morbidities and the morbidly obese
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 22:59
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Yes, our politicians are 100% protected from the disastrous fallout that they are creating for everybody else. Parasites.
Anyone that's not affected is not affected, doctors are working harder than ever, take-away and click collect providers and delivery services are reaping it in. However as I said before Gladys is only protected until the next election, then her job will be up for consideration, so no, she's not 100% protected. Not making excuses for her just making it clear we all have the ability to send any one of these pollies a clear message at the voting station next round. Even if you are not sure about the other guy, make it clear you didn't like what they did. If she gets decimated by public sentiment then she won't even have any political future, even in opposition.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 23:12
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However as I said before Gladys is only protected until the next election, then her job will be up for consideration, so no, she's not 100% protected. Not making excuses for her just making it clear we all have the ability to send any one of these pollies a clear message at the voting station next round. Even if you are not sure about the other guy, make it clear you didn't like what they did. If she gets decimated by public sentiment then she won't even have any political future, even in opposition.

So you would prefer Victorian style communist lockdown where you have to get written permission from the government to go to work? Australians are impossible. You complain about lockdowns and lost freedom, then want to vote out the only government that actually looks for a balance with freedom.

Do you really think a coast to coast Labor government would actually give you more freedom?
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 23:12
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Covid casualties are still almost exclusively among the elderly with co-morbidities and the morbidly obese
Depends on the level of health care provided, Fiji recently had two pregnant women in their 30s die due to covid and a girl of 15. It's still a nasty disease, and if you get the severe symptoms and don't seek medical advice, you risk dieing at any age.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 23:16
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So you would prefer Victorian style communist lockdown where you have to get written permission from the government to go to work? Australians are impossible. You complain about lockdowns and lost freedom, then want to vote out the only government that actually looks for a balance with freedom.
I never said Dan was immune to the same thing. Just very unlikely as a vast majority have supported his stance to date. Gladys has let it get to the point where there is civil incohesion and suburbs blaming each other, rules that are too complicated for the average Joe to understand. There is significant difference to how each is viewed by their own at the moment. You don't see individual Melbourne mayors speaking out about flawed State protocols etc... Melbourne everyone has basically the same rules, Sydney, its based on suburb, and the tradies are kicking up a stink in western suburbs due to them having to jab when a Bondi tradie can roam free. And BTW what lockdown and communism has to do with each other, no idea, the US has mandated curfews and lockdowns on cities due to civil disobedience. It's a dictatorial method or police state method. A Democracy can be a police state, as opposed to a liberal democracy. I think that's what you may have been referring to.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 23:24
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The problem with that concept, 43I, is that the only people who can vote Dan / Gladys out are their respective State citizens. Even though Gladys' failure to lockdown earlier has had nationwide implications, those in Qld or Vic have got no say, anymore than me having a say in McGoose's re-election hopes, even though I've spent more time actually in WA over the last decade than my home state...

FWIW, I don't blame Gladys for this screwup. Yes, they should have locked down earlier, we know that now. They were running their standard playbook for the original strain and got caught out by Delta that doesn't play by those rules. Vic is beginning to lose it, even EnZud has got cases of it now and they've had none for yonks. Of course, she could have kept it out of NSW for almost the entire pandemic by doing what Tasmania has done - not accept any incoming airfreight or international passengers but who else was going to step up and do it? Anna-Stayaway? McGoose?

I've noticed an increasing trend for Pollie's to start sprinkling their press conferences with comments such as "even if we get to 70% / 80% some restrictions will remain however, they will not verbalize just what those restrictions may be beyond masks and social distancing, as if to suggest that's all there will be.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 23:31
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FWIW, I don't blame Gladys for this screwup. Yes, they should have locked down earlier, we know that now.
I would have agreed with that, except, less than 1 month before Sydney got its first case Gladys and their team were sticking the boot into Brett Sutton in Vic for suggesting "This Delta strain is far more virulent and seems to transmit in short casual contacts". So they had ample warning, and were using the situation for political mileage, not for any other reason. The whole wait and see was to sink the boot into Dan saying, look we did it without any lockdown. There was even a few NSW ministers that quite publicly claimed Sutton was incompetent for suggesting Delta was anymore communicable.

If it wasn't for that I'd agree with you, but with those sentiments and others, Gladys and her team were playing, "I'm better than you" politics and paid for it. She is definitely to blame.

PS Don't forget that SloMo was also in the background saying all the states should ease up, it ain't that bad. Now he's saying "Lockdowns are a necessary part of our road out". Only since it took off out of Sydney, "nothing to see here, hey I told you so, I always said you need to lock down hard and fast", *winks at Dan and backs away to maintain obscurity again*.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 00:03
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https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...inst-covid-19/
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 00:06
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While I disagree with forcing people to get jabs, it's obviously starting now, that if you don't get it you will have to really fight to hold that stance. That 4% is going to have to comply, fight hard or find other work...
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 00:10
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Good to see QANTAS has a plan.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 00:16
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While I disagree with forcing people to get jabs, it's obviously starting now, that if you don't get it you will have to really fight to hold that stance. That 4% is going to have to comply, fight hard or find other work...
Some colleagues have mentioned that they are going to start calling the anti-vaxxers who capitulate ‘pussies’. These anti-vaxxers have been extremely vocal, disruptive and downright dangerous. If they truly believe in their cause, they will resign. I predict that most won’t and will get the jab, therefore they are hypocrites and will be labelled as pussies for the rest of their careers.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 00:37
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Some colleagues have mentioned that they are going to start calling the anti-vaxxers who capitulate ‘pussies’. These anti-vaxxers have been extremely vocal, disruptive and downright dangerous. If they truly believe in their cause, they will resign. I predict that most won’t and will get the jab, therefore they are hypocrites and will be labelled as pussies for the rest of their careers.
Sad to see, I'm obviously Pro-vax, but, I believe its just a matter of education on the subject. Hence I continue the fight on this forum, but I would happily have a beer and chew the fat with a non-vaxer, and yes you will get annoyed with me asking you to get the jab, but I don't hate them. I'm the same with any subject matter I get involved with, it's opinions. This one is just very important to everyones welfare, both physical and economic (my point of view). A lot of anti vaxxers are not crazies, they just don't trust the vaccines being so new, so that is an education issue, not a stupidity, ignorance or whatever, that only comes in what you flatly refute facts given to you or just flat make stuff up. Then theres the media who is just as much to blame as SloMo for the slow vaccine roll out.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 00:55
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Wonder what the vibe is this morning at the Coward St Wellness Centre? Is the yoga, basket making and garden walking sufficient to quell the angst at mandatory vaccination policy?
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 01:01
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Sad to see, I'm obviously Pro-vax, but, I believe its just a matter of education on the subject. Hence I continue the fight on this forum, but I would happily have a beer and chew the fat with a non-vaxer, and yes you will get annoyed with me asking you to get the jab, but I don't hate them. I'm the same with any subject matter I get involved with, it's opinions. This one is just very important to everyones welfare, both physical and economic (my point of view). A lot of anti vaxxers are not crazies, they just don't trust the vaccines being so new, so that is an education issue, not a stupidity, ignorance or whatever, that only comes in what you flatly refute facts given to you or just flat make stuff up. Then theres the media who is just as much to blame as SloMo for the slow vaccine roll out.
Fair call. I don’t have a problem whatsoever with the ones that are hesitant as I get where they’re coming from. I too engage with them as best as I can.

The ones I’m referring to are on the extreme end of the scale. The ones who mock people for getting vaccinated. The ones who purposely go out of their way to spread misinformation and instil fear. The ones who beat their chests about how they are not sheep and no one can tell them what to do. I’m talking about the very low percentage of abject morons who we have the unfortunate misfortune of calling our colleagues. If they capitulate, and don’t resign, then they are hypocrites.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 01:07
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I don't have any issue with the vaccine, but that's only because I'm old and it probably isn't going to matter either way. I'm more concerned about the virus itself and it's impact upon my grandchildren. We haven't really been introduced to it yet, only the corona its trojan horse. We don't know anything about it other than it's very long and complex. That surely has to mean lots of capabilities. It really does have us by the short and curlies, so I don't think we should be judging anyone for anything just yet.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 01:09
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633 in SYD today....
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 01:17
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The ones I’m referring to are on the extreme end of the scale. The ones who mock people for getting vaccinated. The ones who purposely go out of their way to spread misinformation and instil fear. The ones who beat their chests about how they are not sheep and no one can tell them what to do. I’m talking about the very low percentage of abject morons who we have the unfortunate misfortune of calling our colleagues. If they capitulate, and don’t resign, then they are hypocrites.
Oh yes, open season on them for sure, no problem with that. I think that might be a general theme throughout society not just certain workplaces. Most will conform and pretend nothing happened though.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 01:34
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Just got an email from Alan…vaccines mandatory from late November for ALL crew in the Qantas group.
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