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Old 30th Jun 2021, 01:57
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In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of this nation. Is this what anarchy against federation looks like?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...eaf63dd9c0c390
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 02:07
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The mixed messaging around vaccines in this country is going to mean we’ll be in this mess for a long time to come.

The void in true leadership from the top has a large part to blame. We’re arguably in a worse position now than at anytime during this pandemic.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 02:07
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Originally Posted by Potsie Weber
In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of this nation. Is this what anarchy against federation looks like?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...eaf63dd9c0c390
In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of its health officers. This is just a p1ssing match between health experts that have a difference of opinion and different tolerances to risk.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 02:10
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Originally Posted by brokenagain
The mixed messaging around vaccines in this country is going to mean we’ll be in this mess for a long time to come.

The void in true leadership from the top has a large part to blame. We’re arguably in a worse position now than at anytime during this pandemic.
The leadership is being led by epidemiologists. Apparently. They are now swimming in the same pool of information we are and are struggling to find the bottom.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 02:15
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Seems like SA is about to lock down.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 02:47
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Palachook still trying to run ppls lives, her and CMO won’t allow under 40s get AZ meanwhile NSW is allowing anyone and everyone to get AZ.

I want to leave live in a country that’s living.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 02:53
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And now Alice Springs is going into a 72 hour lockdown from 1pm.

What the h*ll is wrong with this country!?
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 02:57
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South Australia also reported to be facing imminent lockdown. Mining/Delta cluster has reportedly reached Adelaide.

That's over half the country if SA joins most other states in lockdown.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 03:21
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Marshall just said SA won't be going into lockdown.. for now. 5 new community cases, all linked to the Mining/Delta cluster.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 04:21
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'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says
Originally Posted by The Queen-P's-Land CHO
No, I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca.
Originally Posted by Reporter
Why?
Originally Posted by The Queen-P's-Land CHO
Because they are at increased risk of getting - it is rare, but they are at increased risk of getting the rare clotting syndrome. We've seen up to 49 deaths in the UK from that syndrome.

I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID probably wouldn't die. We've had very few deaths due to COVID-19 in Australia in people under the age of 50, and wouldn't it be terrible that our first 18-year-old in Queensland to who dies related to this pandemic died because of the vaccine?
If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 04:36
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Originally Posted by KRviator
'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says
If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.
Yep… it’s always easier to make decisions when they don’t directly affect you financially.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 06:10
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Marvellous. Nurse tested positive has worked at RNS and another hospital for 5 days. Wards locked down…

other hospital is Fairfield.

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Old 30th Jun 2021, 06:15
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
no it doesn’t translate at all. The drivers licence scenario is not at all comparable to a pandemic with a highly contagious deadly virus.

God almighty. I sure hope you aren’t a pilot with people’s lives under your responsibility.
Oh yes, because knowing how to implement and manage a vaccine passport is ohh so important to my role as a pilot

If you’re so all over it Einstein why don’t you let us know your professional qualifications that makes you such an expert in the best way to do it?
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 06:23
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Oh yes, because knowing how to implement and manage a vaccine passport is ohh so important to my role as a pilot

If you’re so all over it Einstein why don’t you let us know your professional qualifications that makes you such an expert in the best way to do it?
I sometimes wonder if I am talking to 8 year olds with a learning disability .

I think I have stated many many times that it cannot be done. It is up to you to provide the means of implementing and more importantly police the measures that YOU want to put in place.

as for being an expert. Well I have had that line before. About that charlatan, sorry demographer. You may want to refer to my post just above regarding that. The one with the link to the news article…

as for your role as a pilot. You have proven a complete lack of rationality, critical thinking and common sense.

I would think they are necessary requirements for most jobs that have people’s lives in their hands.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 06:47
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Originally Posted by KRviator
'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says
If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.
you have to wonder .. are they simply playing politics AGAIN with this. both Labor premiers come out at the same time requesting a reduction in overseas arrivals and now this.

And to think that same grossly irresponsible chief health officer has just been made governor of qld. Jobs for the girls. She appears completely politically compromised.

oh and the chooks faux outrage at the girl not getting vaccinated. From a premier who (purposely) delayed getting vaccinated herself and then suddenly needed to go to the Olympics and shock horror, the only vaccine she could then get was Pfizer….

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Old 30th Jun 2021, 08:35
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
you have to wonder .. are they simply playing politics AGAIN with this. both Labor premiers come out at the same time requesting a reduction in overseas arrivals and now this…….

oh and the chooks faux outrage at the girl not getting vaccinated. From a premier who (purposely) delayed getting vaccinated herself and then suddenly needed to go to the Olympics and shock horror, the only vaccine she could then get was Pfizer….
Maybe she could start by cutting her own return from the Olympics….
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 09:45
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Since you are across all the data, what are the vaccination rates in these "First world countries " of which you speak?
Roughly 53-65% with USA and Germany at the low end and Canada , Israel, and UK at the high end.

These countries are reporting cases with greater than 90% less death rates - all reporting the Delta variant as being the most common, compared with the death rates from the earlier strains, especially when compared with the first wave.

The data is available, you just have to look at it and WANT to understand what it says.

You won’t find a nice packaged article on the usual media sites unless it’s fear based click fodder for the lazy and stupid.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 13:39
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The data out of the UK is very clear. Delta not as deadly in all cases. Vaccines highly effective at both decreasing transmission and lowering symptoms of those who still contract it. Death rate of vaccinated people with Delta is virtually zero. In the UK, for the last month, every week has seen more deaths from the flu and pneumonia than Covid.

I’ve no idea why this isn’t being yelled from the roof tops as being a sign that if we get vaccinated, we’re all back on track for the start of next year.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 13:59
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I’ve no idea why this isn’t being yelled from the roof tops as being a sign that if we get vaccinated, we’re all back on track for the start of next year.
Well, it should be getting yelled from the rooftops by the federal government - but I’m pretty sure they’re trying to avoid highlighting how good things are going overseas at the moment.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 22:58
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Share it with those who need convincing. The vaccines are doing their job just nicely…

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...28-p5852n.html

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