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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:01
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We are going to be a divided hermit nation for years to come.
I guarantee you this will be the last year of full lockdowns. Even WA will drop full restrictions either by end year or early next year. Vaccine targets are on track for mid summer and then Australians with or without vax will have no choice in whether they get exposed. The only reason for further lockdowns will be a more deadly strain resistant to vaccines. NSW is proving that vaxed population are dieing less if at all and as that proof grows, like the UK we will open.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:09
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I guarantee you this will be the last year of full lockdowns. Even WA will drop full restrictions either by end year or early next year. Vaccine targets are on track for mid summer and then Australians with or without vax will have no choice in whether they get exposed. The only reason for further lockdowns will be a more deadly strain resistant to vaccines. NSW is proving that vaxed population are dieing less if at all and as that proof grows, like the UK we will open.
For those of you that may not of heard it, the Western Australian Commissioner of Police was just interviewed on the radio. What he said.. without using these exact words.. but what he meant was…. Do not leave WA. I could shut us down to the rest of Australia in the next few hours, and you may not be allowed to come back to the state for months. He was warning people .. don’t go anywhere.

If you think lockdowns are over…. Think again.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:13
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I have absolutely no issue with people choosing not to get vaccinated, however in a years time when you are suffering the after effects of the virus because the world moved on without you, please accept my tsk tsk... Similar to when a sad mother mourns the loss of her child to whooping cough, cause she thought the vaccine caused autism, sad but that gene pool probably was too dumb to survive. There is no need to sacrifice you or your loved ones, a simple jab will solve this, therefore it is not a sacrifice as the loss of life is avoidable, you just became a proof of Darwinism, by proving you were not intelligent enough to survive in the real world. A sacrifice would be a soldier giving their life to defend your freedoms.
Whilst I agree with the intent of your post, some of your points are flawed.
1. Suffering the effects of the virus because the world moved on.
We still don't know for sure yet if that will still be the case even though you were vaccinated.
2. A simple jab will solve this.
We don't know that yet, it may be the long term effect of the vaccine could be just as bad as the disease.
3. A soldier giving their life to defend your freedoms.
Historically both sides have that exact same argument, they can't both be right.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:16
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We are going to be a divided hermit nation for years to come.
A fair assessment, which side will it be.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:16
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Originally Posted by SOPS
For those of you that may not of heard it, the Western Australian Commissioner of Police was just interviewed on the radio. What he said.. without using these exact words.. but what he meant was…. Do not leave WA. I could shut us down to the rest of Australia in the next few hours, and you may not be allowed to come back to the state for months. He was warning people .. don’t go anywhere.

If you think lockdowns are over…. Think again.
And there you have it, straight from the horses mouth, or close enough. We are One Nation, Under God....

Oh, wait...Wrong country...
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:19
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[QUOTE=43Inches;11089442]I have absolutely no issue with people choosing not to get vaccinated, .........

You should have left it at that.
The rest of your dummies versus smarties post is highly opinionated waffle of dubious value.

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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:33
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1. Suffering the effects of the virus because the world moved on.
We still don't know for sure yet if that will still be the case even though you were vaccinated.
Most of the long term effects are caused by scarring or secondary infections caused by the virus. The vaccine is proven to reduce both these effects, so therefore yes, vaccines will heavily reduce your risk of long term effects.

2. A simple jab will solve this.
We don't know that yet, it may be the long term effect of the vaccine could be just as bad as the disease.
Nothing has developed yet as of 6 months of mass inoculations world wide except TTS and mild short term aftereffects. The science is fairly sound in how the Vaccines work and their long term effects, even to the point that vaccination whilst pregnant is allowed. The later being a significant pointer that they are very confident that no 3 eyed and 10 legged babies are coming.

3. A soldier giving their life to defend your freedoms.
Historically both sides have that exact same argument, they can't both be right.
The sacrifice is made by both sides, both "sacrifice" the lives of soldiers to progress their own needs, so for some greater good, whether its in defense or aggression. The point is a Sacrifice is a choice you make that is final and binding to the cause. You can't sacrifice money or income for instance, that is a miss-use of the idea. You can exchange income/cash for something, but you can get that same cash back later should you wish. A person dies and you cant get that exact person back, their thoughts, memory or future deeds are erased at that point, but if they died for no reason it's also not a sacrifice. Same as most living things, so you could sacrifice an animal for the good of the herd if its loss had some point or improved (or perceived improved) life for the rest. Therefore I don't see isolating, or dieing of covid as a sacrifice, both are preventable and not necessary with the right path and controls.

You should have left it at that.
The rest of your dummies versus smarties post is highly opinionated waffle of dubious value.
And this just proves your intelligence does not rise above the insult capabilities of a 5 year old. And offers no counter argument to prove you have the ability to comprehend or debate what is being said here.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:43
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
Wikipedia. Pfffft! Why do we even have The Lancet, or The New England Journal of Medicine, to name but two of the many actual sober medical journals. But at least Wiki does attach this caution:

This article needs more medical references for verification or relies too heavily on primary sources.(December 2020)
ADE is not new science but kind of Biology 101 actually and something that will be considered and watched through all the process of design, development and (full) approval of any vaccine.
There you go, a study about subjects participating in trials being properly informed about risks ;
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

Cheers.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:49
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
The sacrifice is made by both sides, both "sacrifice" the lives of soldiers to progress their own needs
Which has nothing to do with "your freedoms"

As for the rest of your response, like I said, we don't know that yet.


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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:52
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Which has nothing to do with "your freedoms"
Ah ok, that was just an example, yes, not the overall ideal. I mean an opposition soldier could sacrifice his life so his civilisation could conquer and oppress yours. I was more referring to laying down or be willing to die for your ideal.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 01:26
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It’s going really well in NSW, isn’t it. Glad to see Bunnings is still open for all that essential DIY. And a man in his 20s has just died from it…, looks like us oldies are the only ones that can die from it.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 01:30
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It’s going really well in NSW, isn’t it. Glad to see Bunnings is still open for all that essential DIY. And a man in his 20s has just died from it…, looks like us oldies are the only ones that can die from it.
Not any more, we're all vaccinated
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 01:58
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It’s going really well in NSW, isn’t it. Glad to see Bunnings is still open for all that essential DIY. And a man in his 20s has just died from it…, looks like us oldies are the only ones that can die from it.
Day after Day she keeps saying Delta is like no other. Meanwhile Genie back in the bottle again down in Dan land today.

Newcastle is on the verge of falling over now. Should have protected the regions, but didn’t. She is failing the people of the regions here.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 02:04
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I find it strange the sudden death of a 20 something year old from covid is being referred to the coroner.

From the NSW coroner:

Deaths as a result COVID-19 are regarded as a natural cause death and therefore it is expected that in most cases a Death Certificate will be issued and the death is not reported to the Coroner. It is however anticipated that there will be instances where a deceased has not been diagnosed with carrying the virus and may have displayed symptoms of COVID-19 and a Death Certificate is not issued. As with any case where a Death Certificate is not issued, the death is reportable to the Coroner.
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What could the reasoning behind it be? My inner conspiracy theorist is screaming, 'died with covid, not of it'

*Prepares for head to be bitten off*
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 02:22
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I find it strange the sudden death of a 20 something year old from covid is being referred to the coroner.
I don't see anything wrong with being skeptical about why the coroner should get involved. It may well be because of the issues around covid they want to be certain of the cause. The only thing that could be gained is that he was proved to have died of some other cause, that is not covid. It would not 'be in the governments favor' to prove it not. As this would be used as argument against vaccination of that group and convolute the situation. There is always the possibility that someone has done something criminal here or malpractice and blamed covid.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 02:30
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The 20 year old was covid positive and unvaccinated. He was in home quarantine and being seen daily be medical staff, I believe a nurse. I imagine the coroner is being involved due to what must have been a significant, rapid deterioration in their condition and because they were under medical care.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 02:42
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...-08-662513.pdf

This was released in March 2021.


“with the implications for long-COVID post SARS-CoV-2 also considered.”
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 03:09
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I thought all deaths where the deceased is alone at the time of death are referred to the coroner? I don't see why this is odd at all.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 03:16
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I thought all deaths where the deceased is alone at the time of death are referred to the coroner? I don't see why this is odd at all.
Pretty sure that depends on which state you are in, NSW I have no idea. But from the link it seems that if no one attends to produce a death certificate that's most likely the case. However this individual has already been attributed a death cause by the look of it. Just reading the news it says un-vaccinated and one of two in the house, the 2nd has been moved to hospital.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 03:29
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Police will always attend when a death occurs at home. If a death certificate is issued and presented then barring any other suspicious circumstances the coroner will not become involved.
Since the cause of this death is clearly being investigated, then perhaps NSW Health reporting it as a Covid death at this time is inappropriate.
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