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Old 4th Aug 2021, 03:31
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
I thought all deaths where the deceased is alone at the time of death are referred to the coroner? I don't see why this is odd at all.
He wasn't alone, he was in quarantine with someone else, who has now been admitted into hospital care but yes not surprised this has gone to coroner
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 04:55
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It doesn’t matter what “the science” says or what the unelected health bureaucrats say..our individual rights are not theirs to take away or alter. We are allowed to leave our houses, see who we want and move around freely. We are entitled to refuse a medical treatment without duress. Anything else is application of tyranny and must be resisted with maximum prejudice.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 04:59
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Originally Posted by KRviator
And there you have it, straight from the horses mouth, or close enough. We are One Nation, Under God....

Oh, wait...Wrong country...
Actually, the US wasn't "One Nation Under God" until the late 1950s. The original 'Pledge of Allegiance, where that phrase has been inserted said for the prior 100+ years ".... one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all..."

Similarly, the Canadian Anthem (although it wasn't at the time) never said "...god keep our land, glorious and free..." but "Oh Canada, glorious and free..."

These bows to religious sycophancy seem to have sprung from the fervour surrounding the McCarthy era in the US (an attempt to distance themselves from the 'godless communists'). We now know that McCarthy effectively committed suicide having succumb to alcoholism to the point of apparently suffering liver failure and hepatitis.

I therefore view those 'god' statements the same as the vacuous contribution of the sad little fraction of a human that inspired them.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 05:04
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I guarantee you this will be the last year of full lockdowns. Even WA will drop full restrictions either by end year or early next year. Vaccine targets are on track for mid summer and then Australians with or without vax will have no choice in whether they get exposed. The only reason for further lockdowns will be a more deadly strain resistant to vaccines. NSW is proving that vaxed population are dieing less if at all and as that proof grows, like the UK we will open.
"A divide hermit nation for years to come".

Yeh. I'll put that in the same book of predictions as threads still extant on pprune from about 10 years ago, lauding the unrelenting genius of a man who's initials are JB, who was going to single-handedly build VA to the point where it destroyed the opposition. It certainly is interesting going back and reading all those comments from back then through the filter of the financial disaster that was left in said CEO's wake.

But hey, he got an AO for 'services to aviation' so I guess they must have all been correct.

Point being, what we predict flagrantly today, usually ends up not coming to fruition. Nothing is that bad and no one is that good.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it.......
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 05:22
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Originally Posted by mattyj
It doesn’t matter what “the science” says or what the unelected health bureaucrats say..our individual rights are not theirs to take away or alter. We are allowed to leave our houses, see who we want and move around freely. We are entitled to refuse a medical treatment without duress. Anything else is application of tyranny and must be resisted with maximum prejudice.
Well actually NO! our unelected health bureaucrats don't enact anything, our elected leaders do that and yes they do have the right, as given to them by we the people. Any act of tyranny by you is against us the people. But I agree with resist with maximum prejudice.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 06:10
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
WA will be going back into lockdown! Thanks Mcclown!
Jumped the gun a bit their Zeta.

But if we had gone into lockdown, in what way would it have been McGowan's fault, as compared to someone else's?
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 06:16
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It doesn’t matter what “the science” says or what the unelected health bureaucrats say..our individual rights are not theirs to take away or alter. We are allowed to leave our houses, see who we want and move around freely. We are entitled to refuse a medical treatment without duress. Anything else is application of tyranny and must be resisted with maximum prejudice.
https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/...588.1628056931

This is the link to your rights, Article 12 agrees with you until item 3;

"The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant."

Unfortunately as soon as a public health order is issued, you can have your freedom of movement rights revoked. So yes, science and bureaucrats can take your movement rights away.

WRT to item 4, the government is not stopping Australians from returning, just making it very expensive and take time, which is into the grey abyss.

If that's Tyranny well its time to climb on ya horse and ride those redcoats out of town.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 07:08
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With regards to God and his place in America it was day one in the Declaration of Independence, and the purpose of leaving Europe by the pilgrims was for reasons of religious freedom among others..God and the creator were mentioned several times. The importance is that rights given by God cannot be taken away by mere men;


“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”

one of the greatest documents ever written
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 07:09
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Ok then…..
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 07:32
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With regards to God and his place in America it was day one in the Declaration of Independence, and the purpose of leaving Europe by the pilgrims was for reasons of religious freedom among others..God and the creator were mentioned several times. The importance is that rights given by God cannot be taken away by mere men;
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One of the greatest films ever made.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 08:06
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Talk about thread drift!!!!
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Originally Posted by t_cas
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...-08-662513.pdf

This was released in March 2021.


“with the implications for long-COVID post SARS-CoV-2 also considered.”
The paper raises questions, but then mentions SARS-CoV (the SARS virus) and long covid in the same sentence. That ambiguity is more than a minor annoyance. If SARS-CoV2 does indeed behave like Dengue then the long term outlook is indeed bleak. However deciding to not be vaccinated based on avoiding a theoretical exploited immune response ignores the present danger the disease presents. The possibility of an ADE exploit should appear subsequently whether a person has been vaccinated or infected. If in fact the long term danger of a subsequent re-infection is the same, then at least the vaccine doesn’t lead to a potentially fatal pneumonia.

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Old 4th Aug 2021, 09:17
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldn...-mask-outside/

is there an intelligence test to be a Queensland cop?
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 09:25
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldn...-mask-outside/

is there an intelligence test to be a Queensland cop?
Not if Peter Dutton could get in.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Cirressna
I find it strange the sudden death of a 20 something year old from covid is being referred to the coroner.

What could the reasoning behind it be? My inner conspiracy theorist is screaming, 'died with covid, not of it'

*Prepares for head to be bitten off*

Very unusual for apparently healthy people in their 20s to drop dead. There is the question of should he have been under closer medical care and would his death have been preventable.

Seems probable he had an undiagnosed heart condition and the COVID tipped him over the edge.

The bloke in his 20s who died in Melbourne around this time last year was also referred to the coroner.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 09:42
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Originally Posted by mattyj
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldn...-mask-outside/

is there an intelligence test to be a Queensland cop?

well there obviously isn’t to be a Queensland Labor politician or chief health officer.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 10:18
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Originally Posted by patty50
Very unusual for apparently healthy people in their 20s to drop dead. There is the question of should he have been under closer medical care and would his death have been preventable.

Seems probable he had an undiagnosed heart condition and the COVID tipped him over the edge.

The bloke in his 20s who died in Melbourne around this time last year was also referred to the coroner.
preventable??
absolutely thanks to Pfizer and Astra Zeneca but hey.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 10:53
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Originally Posted by patty50
Very unusual for apparently healthy people in their 20s to drop dead. There is the question of should he have been under closer medical care and would his death have been preventable.

Seems probable he had an undiagnosed heart condition and the COVID tipped him over the edge.

The bloke in his 20s who died in Melbourne around this time last year was also referred to the coroner.
Sudden Cardiac Death in under 35s in Australia is about 1 in 30000. Not as unusual as you might think.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 11:57
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Sudden Cardiac Death in under 35s in Australia is about 1 in 30000. Not as unusual as you might think.
I was thinking that very thing when I read the part about him feeling tired, then not waking up. Covid is known to cause cardiac Myocarditis and heart failure can manifest as just fatigue at first.

preventable??
absolutely thanks to Pfizer and Astra Zeneca but hey.
Not entirely true, Pfizer is an mRNA Vaccine which has also caused Myocarditis in young males particularly under 25,mostly on the second dose, although the rate is 6 times less than that of actual covid caused heart problems. If this guy was susceptible to heart issues, the Pfizer vaccine may have also killed him.

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Old 4th Aug 2021, 14:56
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With regards to God and his place in America it was day one in the Declaration of Independence, and the purpose of leaving Europe by the pilgrims was for reasons of religious freedom among others..God and the creator were mentioned several times. The importance is that rights given by God cannot be taken away by mere men;


“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”

one of the greatest documents ever written
I agree it was one of the greatest documents but it was nothing more than a justification for a war. The people who were involved in its authorship were (not only Thomas Jefferson) John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson. All of them despised religion and Christianity in particular. One of them stated that this would be a better world if Christianity were not part of it, another declared lighthouses more useful than Churches.

The Australian Constitution (heavily based on the US, as the UK has never had a written and entrenched constitution and is not a federation as the Commonwealth of Australia and the United States ARE) only mentions 'god' in the preamble which is not specifically part of the Constitution but is part of the covering clauses. It is well known amongst those who have studied these things that it is ONLY there as a trade-off to the token religious whacko on the drafting committee, so as to allow the inclusion of s116 which dis-establishes religion.

The Declaration of Independence, whilst a phenomenal document, is irrelevant when it comes to the actual Government of the United States, which is under the Constitution of the United States, which does not mention god, not even once, other than in the First Amendment (by way of using the word 'religion') which declares "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of any religion..." etc.

Our own s116 practically mirrors that language as does much of the Australian Constitution.

It is clear, as the Treaty of Tripoli declared, that the "the Government of the United States is in no way based on the Christian religion..."

Your effort to 'graft' god and Christianity onto Western Society is vacuous. Our democratic principles and our law finds its origins in ancient Rome, Greek Philosophy and other sources. The fact we have a few laws which by coincidence along with the 'ten commandments' (depending on which version of the several on offer you choose from 'God's Big Book of Bad Ideas' - which also insists I subject both my daughters to death by stoning if they are not virgins when they wed) is nothing more than coincidence. The notion that people should not kill each other or steal were both notions evident in every society before Christianity was made up.

It really annoys me that people try to posit this theory that nothing was good before the fictitious Jesus allegedly existed (and I say 'fictitious' because there are numerous 'gods' before him that all supposedly rose on the summer solstice, walked on water, turned water into wine and died and resurrected. I mean do you really think people are that gullible), multiple minuscule details details available of everyone from Roman Prefects to the most minor officials are recorded at that time but the bloke who allegedly walked on water, turned water to wine and cured the sick, nada, zilch.

The US Founding Fathers knew they had to capture the entire population so they included some language to that effect but omitted much which would 'smack of the pulpit' too much.

They started the trend which has resulted in the world being the most peaceful it's been in a hundred years - not through Christianity but through the proliferation of SECULARISM, pioneered by the United States.

So, good effort but no cigar.

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