All borders to reopen.

[43Inches]

If you’re referring to your post #7020 and the excerpt from the Lancet where you claim the absolute vaccine reduction risk (ARR) is around 0.84-% and therefore 25.78 million Australians will be infected despite being vaccinated?

Then you’ve totally, totally taken that study the wrong way and blown those numbers out of proportion, again, here’s a debunking of your point:

Fact Check-Why Relative Risk Reduction, not Absolute Risk Reduction, is most often used in calculating vaccine efficacy

That's what I was trying to get at earlier, I couldn't work out what all the mass of numbers were about and they made no sense. It seemed like half a data dump taken out of context.

The other issue of un-accounted for virus in the community and the seroprevelance rate. To have the IFR drop to .23% that would assume in the US for instance that there is 10 times the cases in the community over documented.

The seroprevelance rate study in Sydney found the rate to be barely 3 x the notified cases and that was from pretty sparse data, only 38 positives in 5000 tests. So that could possibly drop the current CFR from 2.6 to just over 0.8% IFR.

If you applied IFR to Influenza it would be like 0.0001%. Calculating IFR is basically witchcraft and educate guesswork due to trying to know what you don't know, if you knew, it would be CFR.

[mattyj]

For two days last week that VAERS data was revised up to 12000 deaths..then back down to 6800 odd..no explanation why.

[mattyj]

Moderna and Pfizer both have warnings about myocarditis and pericarditis on the safety data. I’m interested if anyone has had their Pfizer vaccine then gotten an aviation medical soon after and had unusually high blood pressure readings..?

[Turnleft080]

Originally Posted by mattyj

Moderna and Pfizer both have warnings about myocarditis and pericarditis on the safety data. I’m interested if anyone has had their Pfizer vaccine then gotten an aviation medical soon after and had unusually high blood pressure readings..?

I reckon a lot of people get high blood pressure by just reading this thread.

[SOPS]

Originally Posted by mattyj

Moderna and Pfizer both have warnings about myocarditis and pericarditis on the safety data. I’m interested if anyone has had their Pfizer vaccine then gotten an aviation medical soon after and had unusually high blood pressure readings..?

I could be wrong.. but my feeling is, without being vaccinated you may end up with very very low blood pressure readings.. as in zero over zero.

[mattyj]

Without a vaccine or without a competent doctor with the dozens of excellent therapies that have been developed since the start of 2020.

[Torukmacto]

Having struggled with low blood pressure this could work out perfectly.

[turbantime]

Originally Posted by mattyj

Without a vaccine or without a competent doctor with the dozens of excellent therapies that have been developed since the start of 2020.

I love these uninformed comments. If you end up in hospital, especially in ICU, you get pumped a cocktail of ‘therapies’ to keep you alive. Each one of those with comes with side effects, some which could be long lasting. It literally is a last ditch effort to keep your pulse going. Not to mention the long term complications from the disease. Then there’s the vaccine with mild short term effects (AZ rare issues aside) which keep you out of hospital. I know what I prefer.

[Ninthace]

If you read across to the main Covid thread in jet blast you will find an informed assessment of myocarditis,
Myocarditis risks

[43Inches]

If you read across to the main Covid thread in jet blast you will find an informed assessment of myocarditis,
Myocarditis risks

We covered the myocarditis stuff a while back, we're just stuck in a loop at the moment with a couple of clowns just making recurring statements of the same things they were shot down for 100 posts ago. I get the feeling they are bored telemarketers.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by mattyj

Moderna and Pfizer both have warnings about myocarditis and pericarditis on the safety data. I’m interested if anyone has had their Pfizer vaccine then gotten an aviation medical soon after and had unusually high blood pressure readings..?

High blood pressure is neither a symptom of Myocaridtis or Pericarditis. In fact in both of those conditions it is LOW blood pressure that is a potential symptom, not high blood pressure.

Did you study up on any of those conditions before you made that post?

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by mattyj

For two days last week that VAERS data was revised up to 12000 deaths..then back down to 6800 odd..no explanation why.

Yes there is. I simply googled “VAERS” and this was the third google news search result:

Fact Check-6,000 VAERS reports were deleted for being foreign entries, CDC says

There is an explanation, a very simple one. You use language in your posts to hint at a massive conspiracy, but the answers are out there to anyone who does the most simple fact checking.

Honestly it’s getting ridiculous now.......

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by 43Inches

we're just stuck in a loop at the moment with a couple of clowns just making recurring statements of the same things they were shot down for 100 posts ago.

In total agreement

[turbantime]

Originally Posted by dr dre

Honestly it’s getting ridiculous now.......

Agreed. The utter lack of cognitive ability of some of these posters are a real worry. Even more worrying is that these people are in charge of aircraft.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by turbantime

Agreed. The utter lack of cognitive ability of some of these posters are a real worry. Even more worrying is that these people are in charge of aircraft.

Are we sure about that. Maybe it's time to think up a technical question that only we would know. But then we 'll probably get into an argument over that

[turbantime]

Originally Posted by 43Inches

I get the feeling they are bored telemarketers.

You may just have stepped on to a gem here without knowing it. I infiltrated a closed conspiracy theory/anti-vaccine closed group once. The ‘leaders’ of this group encourage their flock to go out and spread the word/raise awareness/open people’s eyes etc. Then you see these people go out and try and spread the false information as repetitively as they can. If it is debunked, they attack the source as they’re unable to refute the facts. It’d be quite comical if it wasn’t so serious.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by turbantime

Agreed. The utter lack of cognitive ability of some of these posters are a real worry. Even more worrying is that these people are in charge of aircraft.

There’s an identified cognitive condition that describes it, the Dunning Kruger effect. It’s people who are so unintelligent they don’t have the capacity to realise they are incorrect (you don’t know what you don’t know).

The best example I can think of in Australia with vaccines is Federal MP and failed furniture salesman Craig Kelly, so dumb he actually thinks he’s uncovered the secrets behind Covid and vaccines that all the top scientists and doctors have missed:

Federal MP Craig Kelly’s relentless war on COVID vaccines.

[Aussie Bob]

The Dunning Kruger effect eh Doc. Not possible at all that you suffer slightly? You, the single most avid "pro covid narrative" proponent on this board anywhere. In fact when I look at your recent posts I find zero on anything aviation at all. Thanks for your advice, fortunately I learned early to always seek a second opinion.

Are you a big Pharma shill Doc? (This is a fair question Mods, look at this guys history of posting)

[43Inches]

I infiltrated a closed conspiracy theory/anti-vaccine closed group once. The ‘leaders’ of this group encourage their flock to go out and spread the word/raise awareness/open people’s eyes etc. Then you see these people go out and try and spread the false information as repetitively as they can. If it is debunked, they attack the source as they’re unable to refute the facts. It’d be quite comical if it wasn’t so serious.

Nothing new unfortunately, it's pretty standard cult mentality. One egotistical leader that may or may not believe in the real purpose just getting kicks from leading a bunch of halfwits on a anarchist roadtrip. Send out the sheep and see what fun we can have causing chaos.

Unfortunately most of the general public don't understand the fact there are individuals out there hell bent on things you don't like. Rapists, Murderers, etc a lot get kicks from doing what they do, some even enjoy it, no manor of education, confinement or torture will change them. The same goes for those that want to go against society in general and spread misinformation. So is it safe to walk dark alleys at night alone, hell no, and never will be until you cure mental illness.

Same thing applies to governance, anything you inform the community to do, know that part of the community will go against it, why, because they just want to make trouble. They won't listen to facts or figures or whats best, they just want to cause trouble and cause mayhem, even at the expense of safety and common sense, and have a laugh when they see people react to them. Reasonable debate over the issues is fine, that's another thing and leads to outcomes, I'm referring to those that just oppose for the sake of it.


Then there's just the stupid, uneducated and straight forward insane.

That's what you fight against when you want something good for the general public.

Are you a big Pharma shill Doc?

Comments like that are regurgitated straight from the shepherds mouth.

[blubak]

Originally Posted by turbantime

I love these uninformed comments. If you end up in hospital, especially in ICU, you get pumped a cocktail of ‘therapies’ to keep you alive. Each one of those with comes with side effects, some which could be long lasting. It literally is a last ditch effort to keep your pulse going. Not to mention the long term complications from the disease. Then there’s the vaccine with mild short term effects (AZ rare issues aside) which keep you out of hospital. I know what I prefer.

Perfectly said,when you are ill you take what is given without questioning where or how or how many trials were undertaken on it.
When you get a prescription from the chemist,do you sit down & study the warnings about side effects on the leaflet or do you just accept what your gp has told you to take?
When you decide to travel on an aircraft,do you insist on verifying the pilots experience!!
It seems like we are finally on the right track with getting people vaccinated not helped of course by our fed govt stuff up but the time is coming when the unvaccinated will realise their rights may not equal the majority of the population,that is their choice.