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Old 29th Jul 2021, 04:39
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Then let him languish in solitary so that he can exercise his "freedoms". They don't want to follow government directions during a health crisis yet will appeal their rights to another pillar of democracy. Breaking the law has consequences.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 04:47
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
I've not used the phrase "orders of magnitude higher".
No, you haven't. Others here have.

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Leave the value judgment as to what to do or not to do about that to others.
That is exactly what I have advocated previously.

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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
Itís never as simple as the personal liberty VS lockdowns argument is put (by most people).

It's probably more correctly a personal liberty versus public health argument in that the lockdowns are being used to pursue public health outcomes. Thus it boils down to the discussion/debate that first started a few millennia ago when people first started organising themselves into societal groups - how you reconcile the trade-off between the individual and the group.

Unsurprisingly, some people are firm advocates for individual rights first, while others believe that the welfare of the group is more important. To tap Aurelius, it's the bee and the hive discussion. At the end of the day it comes down to personal values. And frankly who is anyone on this forum to tell anyone else that their values are wrong?

I think that it is fair to say that what some people see as an unreasonable imposition on civil liberties others see as a reasonable public health measure. Those pesky values again. You do you.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 05:02
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Excellent!
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 05:37
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Melbourne did well protecting its regions and the rest of the country in the back half of last year, barely one single leak.

I am concerned as she clearly is trying to save face by not adhering Dans advice by keeping metro/regional apart, and the rest of us next month around the nation or soon will suffer the consequences of that. Not to mention the good folks of regional NSW.

Her treasurer would be better knifing her now rather than waiting till next year, and get these decisions done. Saving face now avoided.



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Old 29th Jul 2021, 05:52
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Melbourne did well protecting its regions and the rest of the country in the back half of last year, barely one single leak.

I am concerned as she clearly is trying to save face by not adhering Dans advice by keeping metro/regional apart, and the rest of us next month around the nation or soon will suffer the consequences of that. Not to mention the good folks of regional NSW.

Her treasurer would be better knifing her now rather than waiting till next year, and get these decisions done. Saving face now avoided.

oh I am glad others have noticed Dominic not so subtly positioning himself in the background. He made sure it was leaked he was against the extended lockdown though back in early July which he thought was a popular stance to take then but maybe not so much now given how things have played out.

but yes, it’s a matter of when not if he becomes leader of the nsw libs. I think Gladys may move aside early next year once, hopefully the worst of this shitstorm is behind us. You can bet though that every stumble she makes is being clapped by some. Not just on the other side of the political fence.

meanwhile at the Olympics, the ENTIRE Australian track and field squad has been put into isolation due to a member of another country’s team who was training nearby testing positive.

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Old 29th Jul 2021, 05:57
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I wonder how many of those emanated from last weekends rally?
The timing is about right.
No chance. Day 13 tests after contact appear to be a common positive test result point, combined with the fact that the event being only 5 days ago - and NSW tests results running way behind a day after testing, aaand NSW test result cutoff being 8pm yesterday, we are still to see any impact the nuffs have had on Sydneyís outbreak.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 06:04
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Every time the West has had a lock down, Perth has been shut off from the regions. During one lock, there were even borders within regions to help ensure no spread. I donít know what Gladys is trying to do, but itís not working.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 06:09
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Every time the West has had a lock down, Perth has been shut off from the regions. During one lock, there were even borders within regions to help ensure no spread. I donít know what Gladys is trying to do, but itís not working.
probably trying not to appear racialist. We must be culturally sensitive you know. Language barriers and they are much more family focused. Nothing to do with blatantly sticking their middle fingers upÖ

oh, for the woke and snowflakes, some.. but it only takes a few, or a few hundred or thousand who are just like that. 50 going to one house after a death. 46 positive. For example.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 07:19
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Originally Posted by ruprecht
The Army isnít getting involved.

Itís not The Day of The TriffidsÖ
NSW Police have just asked the Feds to bring in the Army. Perhaps it is the Day of the Triffids.
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NSW Police have just asked the Feds to bring in the Army. Perhaps it is the Day of the Triffids.
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Some of the States use the Defence Force all the time when there's a lockdown. It's not Marshal Law though, they are not armed. When they do quarantine compliance checks (knock on your door) instead of two police officers, it's one and one. It works, you get a lot more boots on the ground.
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I hope their armed , most of the residents in those areas are .
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 08:05
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The police officer is, oddly enough, people seem to be less threatened by the presence of a soldier than a police officer,
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 08:16
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The police officer is, oddly enough, people seem to be less threatened by the presence of a soldier than a police officer,
Unless he's SAS........
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 08:49
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Oh dear.

Just heard some expert on the radio talking about some analysis that shows that even with 80% of Australia's population vaccinated, the number of cases arising from the unvaccinated would still overwhelm ICU capacity, which is around 7,500 beds at full 'surge capacity'. (Mick: Please track down the source and quote the facts and conclusions.)

So, it seems Australia needs to increase the number of ICU beds, not by orders of magnitude but a sh*t tonne extra wouldn't go astray.

But wait, we don't have the capacity to train enough doctors and nurses to run the extra ICUs.

Solution: The solution for all economic seasons. Immigration! We'll import the extra doctors and nurses. Too easy! And that'll also keep the demand on housing and increase house prices. Sweet!

But wait, we've shut the borders.

Solution: We'll bring all the extra doctors and nurses in (without their families of course) as a matter of priority (but only temporarily of course) and put them into super-secure, leak-proof quarantine facilities for a few weeks.

Oh dear.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 08:56
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Sorry but if its their choice to remain unvaccinated for no vailid medical reason then they should not take an ICU bed in front of someone who has been vaccinated or is young and not yet elligible for a vax or is unable to get a vax for valid non religious reasons.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 09:17
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Yep. When the ambulance screeches to a halt at the door of the emergency department of the hospital, they'll add "have you chosen not to be vaccinated for Covid 19" to the existing list of questions asked in deciding whether to provide or refuse treatment to someone in a medical crisis.

Remind me of the existing list of questions asked by a hospital in deciding whether to admit or refuse someone who can't breathe to the emergency department.
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Double vaccination in Israel - the most vaccinated country in the world - Efficacy against Delta only 42%..............
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 09:59
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Mick: On your definition of "efficacy", is the efficacy against Delta in Israel 42% for those double vaccinated against Covid 19?
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
Double vaccination in Israel - the most vaccinated country in the world - Efficacy against Delta only 42%..............
you forgot the other bit..

Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain,


However, the two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data published Thursday.

however yes, the vaccine appears to be less effective probably because of..



Data released by the Health Ministry last week suggested that people vaccinated in January have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, the effectiveness was at 75%.

so over time the vaccines are becoming SIGNIFICANTLY less effective and in quite a short space of time. Only 6 or 7 months. Which probably means TWICE yearly boosters. But I am no virus expert. So perhaps a third shot lasts longer??



given supply issues of Pfizer and equally important the logistics of vaccinating the entire or 70%, 80% of the population. This appears to becoming an endless merry go round. Without the merry bit.

A one way ticket to Mars is looking more and more appealing

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